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It's obvious on Hebrews 5:7 you are out of your depth. There are so many more Scriptures which are unknown to you if this clear and obvious text can't be clearly understood.
As usual, you always play the man instead of the ball. This tactic is used by all those who can't defend their position, by scripture so they resort to attacking the person quoting Gods Word.
Again, all empty cheap words but no substance. Please enlighten me with this secret gnostic gospel of yours. I've obviously been indoctrinated with the false gospel, so please help me out of this confusion. I beg you, I see you've cracked the secret code and now you poses the truth of the gospel.
Yeah nah, I think I'll stick with my Shepherd. The problem I see with the "wise guy" Sheep, is you all read the bible and come away with 45,000 different interpretations.
Avoiding Hebrews 5:7 - okay.
The problem with your interpretation of Heb. 5:7 is, you falsely claim that Jesus was praying to the Father to avoid being crucified. You should consider that He had to endure everything as an ordinary man, He couldn't cheat and use His divine power to avoid pain and suffering. He prayed as any ordinary man would, given His circumstances.
You have created a false jesus in your own mind, because if you did abide Christ, you would be joined to His Body. Jesus never amputated members of His Body and let them roam around autonomously. If your not a Member of His body then you will hear him say to you, "depart from Me into the everlasting fire, for I never knew you".
Man, you are one tough dude to communicate with.
This is called running away with your own preconceived ideas...you have a bad habit of doing this.
Correct, he didn't sin!
Jesus tells you emphatically he did!
No, God said he would "Therefore he says also in another psalm, “‘You will not let your holy one see corruption.’
I'm really not interested in your biased opinions, or judgment calls and this is no laughing matter. Over the years on various Christian forum sites, I've had multiple conversations with numerous folks like yourself who suffer from a severe case of anti-OSAS derangement syndrome, and it never ends well. What most of these folks have in common is they attend a false religion or cult that teaches salvation by works.Ongoing you say? Sounds like you're leaning toward probation?
Correct, so you also believe the works and fruits (if fruits) are of God - well that's progress!
I had to stop replying!
It's like you are pushing a square through a round hole and no matter how hard you try, it wont fit.
If you are going to twist and wrest every section of Scripture to fit your OSAS - why are we having this discussion? It's meaningless! I could show you undeniable evidence and it still wouldn't be received. We know what's taken place here...you have taken an idea, a man-made doctrine and due to its attractive offering latched onto it with all your might. In the Scripture that is called "being deceived". You & I both know it's within God's Sovereignty to extend the gift or to withdraw it. There will be people He saves, who you & I might disagree with Him saving, and then He might reject others we think should be saved! You are not God mailman, nor do you know His mind, or how He extends mercy.
I'm pleased you have confidence in your salvation, however I also know and accept that not only does man frustrate the Grace of God (Gal 2:22) many Christians live in sin. Here is the problem with your doctrine! The teaching of OSAS, if he is rejected is proven false and all those warnings which you apply your mental gymnastics on are the warnings they needed to heed. It's for this reason I am anti-OSAS and you should temper your confidence and balance it with godly wisdom and the gentle rebuke, otherwise your conversation with the Lord might not go as well as you had hoped.
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You are beginning to sound like a disgruntled troll. All you have left is biased opinions and childish insults. I'm not surprised you left the rest of my post to fade away never to be read or reposted again. Your beliefs are fixed, and you obviously don't want to be confused with the facts. Confused with the facts.
As I stated before: that judgment call is well above your pay grade and your true colors are showing.
I have only refuted your eisegesis and I have not denied the truth. Since you teach salvation by works, I don't expect you to know the difference. Out of the 12 disciples, who failed to abide in Jesus? Only Judas Iscariot, who was not a genuine believer, but was an unbelieving, unclean devil who betrayed Jesus. (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11) The remaining 11 disciples (who were genuine believers) did abide. Get the picture? Genuine believers continually remain in His word, reading and studying His doctrine and know and understand the truth. Make believers are just going through the motions of a "nominal" Christian, remaining in false doctrine by twisting His words and are self-deceived.
You should be interested in the weight of Scripture which has piled up on you throughout these conversations. So many points of truth and unanswered questions, you should be at the very least concerned you're teaching a message contrary to the Word of God. It's noted how many posts were overlooked!
I cannot say the same. I'll hand it to you, you took over were Eternally couldn't persist and I thought you would provide insights into John 8 or John 15 or the Gospel records but each time you overlooked the conditional warnings as though they didn’t apply to you, or your OSAS buddies.
It got progressively worse and your opening points only prove you were focusing on half the message. What use is that?
My beliefs are fixed to a point. If you handle the Word with care and not bold part of verses which support your OSAS doctrine at the cost of rejecting the parts you don't like then yes, you will be called out on that and you may find half of your post is not dealt with.Your beliefs are fixed, and you obviously don't want to be confused with the facts. Confused with the facts.
Now speaking of accusing someone of not having faith and conveying arrogance. See one of your previous posts below:
As I stated before: that judgment call is well above your pay grade and your true colors are showing.
Yeah, we do, you provide an exception to your rule and press on with OSAS even though it is not for you to know who is genuine and who is not. The fact the whole way along you have categorised saved and unsaved totally oblivious you are undermining your sacred doctrine.
I see it differently
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Yeah, I try not to feed the trollYou are beginning to sound like a disgruntled troll. All you have left is biased opinions and childish insults. I'm not surprised you left the rest of my post to fade away never to be read or reposted again. Your beliefs are fixed, and you obviously don't want to be confused with the facts. Confused with the facts.
Now speaking of accusing someone of not having faith and conveying arrogance. See one of your previous posts below:
As I stated before: that judgment call is well above your pay grade and your true colors are showing.
