OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[face2face]

I don't think it is a joke. I think it a travesty.

Satanic Eisegesis enters here and other Christian communities in order to lie,disrupt the peace,and deceive sincere seekers who feel the call of God in their hearts.

1John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
(Refers to all people in their natural mind,worldly consciousness. Because those are to whom this sermon is addressed.)

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
(Refers to those who are redeemed in Christ. Washed clean regenerated,their Sins forgiven . God remembers them no more. Those in Christ do not make a habit of sinning. Those who do son do not know Christ and He never knew them. 1John 3)

10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
(An introspection. One that reiterates verse 8 so to let us know why we now understand our former natural mind worldly state. Because we are now indwelt by Holy Spirit/God. And as such we understand the things of God that before was thought to be foolishness. 1 Corinthians 2. "His word is not in us." Refers back to John 1 )

Blessed, over the years of reading the Word of God I have found that conjunction, IF to be one of the most powerful tools used by the Apostles. It's skipped over so quickly isn't it? But "if" you pause and consider its power and the consequences it conveys, we would certainly feel the weight of its responsibility on us.

Agree?

 

[BlessedPeace]

Blessed, over the years of reading the Word of God I have found that conjunction, IF to be one of the most powerful tools used by the Apostles. It's skipped over so quickly isn't it? But "if" you pause and consider its power and the consequences it conveys, we would certainly feel the weight of its responsibility on us.

Agree?

If The Word was within you, you would not arrive at such conclusions.

 

[face2face]

How was Abraham justified (accounted as righteous)? By faith or by works? (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:2-3)

By a life of probation through faith...hence the record of his life! If you think its a single event you are mistaken.

Once again, by cultivating the virtues listed in 2 Peter 1:5-7, believers can be sure that God has called them and elected them. These fruits will confirm it. Make sure you have been called and elected -- bébaios (an adjective, derived from bainō, "to walk where it is solid") – properly, solid (sure) enough to walk on; hence, firm, unshakable; (figuratively) absolutely dependable, giving guaranteed support (security, surety). To practice these qualities gives evidence of and assurance of salvation, though they are not the basis (or cause) of salvation. They are the effect. Is there a reason why Peter said abundantly or richly supplied here?

Why are you so resistant in saying "these are developed while being "in Christ" and the longer you remain in him, the more he adds to your life", "if" you remain in him! If you dont, what then?

So, you have not yet reached salvation? You are not saved? Are you on probation hoping to obtain salvation based on your works?

Are you such a fool to believe in all our conversations that I don't have faith - do you realize the arrogance that conveys? You compare your faith and you think its superior to mine, are you for real! That's delusion on your part and it's precisely why OSAS is flawed.

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace you have been (past tense with ongoing present results) saved through faith. John 5:24 - Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. Your argument about not being saved yet lines up with what Catholicism teaches.

Why would you NOT bold and highlight the "condition" mailman? Are you willing being deceptive? Or are you unable to hear the Masters words? Both realities are concerning to me and should be to you.

I left the rest of your post to fade away into the forums achieves never be read or reposted again.

F2F

 

[face2face]

If The Word was within you, you would not arrive at such conclusions.

Okay, so you have proven you have the skill to use it...now apply it to your previous post.
F2F

 

[JLB]

Once OSAS is adopted, neither the fruit, or the repentance is a requirement, as they have locked in so to speak their own salvation regardless of God's discerning judgements.

This is true, as the enemy has developed an intricate stronghold (mindset) that resists (exalts itself against) the scriptures and therefore undermines the person to a state of inactivity or passivity even to the point of no longer confessing their sins in which the light in them becomes darkness.


But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness! Matthew 6:23


OSAS is one of the end time doctrines of demons that causes people to depart from the faith.

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons 1 Timothy 4:1




JLB

 

[JLB]

I already thoroughly refuted your eisegesis in post #297 and #300. You have no rebuttal. Just your repeated eisegesis.

How can you refute what the scriptures say?

You just denied the truth.

Again, Jesus warned His disciples to remain in Him.

Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
“I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.
John 15:4-7


Jesus mentions to remain in Him 4 times in these 4 verses.


A person that continually remains in His word, reading and studying His doctrine knows and understands the truth.


Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” John 8:31-32



Here is how John instructs us to remain in Christ - to those who are interested.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24




JLB

 

[face2face]

How can you refute what the scriptures say?

You just denied the truth.

Again, Jesus warned His disciples to remain in Him.

Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
“I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.
John 15:4-7
JLB

I'm learning in these discussion, particularly with mailman, that they believe its a one-time event. Once you commit your life to the Lord and enter him, their future it sealed, but that is not what Christ is teaching here.

The Lord is asking us to "Abide In him”, means “to stay”. It's reiterated 12 times in this chapter! and rendered “continue” in verse 9 and “remain” in verse 10.

This is an act of our will!

If we stay with Christ then he can help us.

@mailmandan maybe you see this act to remain as being a work? It is not!

When the Lord said "not my will but thine" he was remaining "In God" and choosing to do so, which is no different to what Christ asks of us. This as Christ revealed is a life long act of faith, not one-time belief.

If you agree, then you need to understand that the act to remain, can also be the act to leave whether consciously or unconsciously.

It is here OSAS fails you.

F2F

 

[BlessedPeace]

This is true, as the enemy has developed an intricate stronghold (mindset) that resists (exalts itself against) the scriptures and therefore undermines the person to a state of inactivity or passivity even to the point of no longer confessing their sins in which the light in them becomes darkness.


But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness! Matthew 6:23


OSAS is one of the end time doctrines of demons that causes people to depart from the faith.

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons 1 Timothy 4:1




JLB

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We who are in Christ with Christ in us are firmly resolved to stop
Demons that insist Jesus was a liar.


Those doctrines of Demons and their disciples casting aspersions upon the Good News of God's Irrevocable Good News are damned.

How can you refute what the scriptures say?

You just denied the truth.

Again, Jesus warned His disciples to remain in Him.

Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
“I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.
John 15:4-7


Jesus mentions to remain in Him 4 times in these 4 verses.


A person that continually remains in His word, reading and studying His doctrine knows and understands the truth.


Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” John 8:31-32



Here is how John instructs us to remain in Christ - to those who are interested.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24




JLB

New Christians here this is to you.

The doctrine of demons,that which is averse to the Eternal Life Good News of God's Irrevocable Saving grace are worshipping self.

They insist they must help God to keep His word. And they haven't changed at all.

That's why they say they still Sin. Have to repent constantly of those Sins. Labor to keep God's gift. Because they don't believe in Christ alone is God.

A bit like their father who millennia ago tempted Yeshua during His fast in the wilderness.

"If you be the Son of God.....(Prove it. Work something out with those rocks you could turn to bread....)

New indwelt eternally secure members of the church that is in Christ, be not afraid.

The Gospel in context is eternal truth and easy to understand.

God calls whom He will to His free gift of grace. That grace renews , washes clean of Sin,the natural mind that before thought all this stuff was silly.

Because the Holy Spirit entered in and opened the door of your mind to understand what you before thought silly.

God cleansed you of all unrighteousness. Forgave your Sins. And remembers them no more. You Sin no longer. If you wilfully do Sin, God is not in you. And you never knew Him.

Which is how you identify the apostles of Demons doctrine. Because they insist they Sin constantly,which is an admission of wilful Sin. Which Yeshua said is evidence He is not within them.And He never knew them.

When you are reborn in Christ you die to that dead in your Sins former self who thought the things of God were foolishness.

You are renewed now,alive in Christ and Christ in you. You are a new creation and eternal.

And you are eternally,no expiration no conditions, SAVED!

Yeshua-Jesus, tells you that of all the Father gives Him, He shall lose none.

Bible:
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

You are Saved by God's grace.

God Saves you forever no matter what.

You abide in Him.
He abides in you.

Does God sin?
Is he a passenger in your Sinning?

No.
Because you are His temple.

The anti-Gospel Eisegesis is easily defeated.

Think about it. If you have to work to stay Saved then Jesus didn't do any work at all to manifest the irrevocable Gospel covenant.

God redeemed you from your Sins. Washed you clean of that former Sin compelled nature.

Only so you could keep Sinning?

Only so you would need to keep working toward being Saved and hope you earned it after you die and find out?

Yeshua -Jesus came back to life after being sacrificed on the cross. Everything He did proved His teachings by His actions.

When the resurrected Christ entered into you, you shall never die. Your body ceases to function, yes. Your soul returns to God who gave you it.

Eternal Irrevocable Salvation.
I give them eternal life.

It's called Eternal Salvation.

Not laborious conditional reprieve.

Eternal Security.

If you remember nothing of this protracted communication remember that word.

Eternal!

 

[Christian Soldier]

Are you referring to Jesus here?

Yes I am, Jesus was never saved. He remains unsaved for all eternity.

So you obviously don't believe that Jesus is God, so we believe in different God's. My God never sinned like your one, so He didn't need to be saved.

 

[face2face]

Yes I am, Jesus was never saved. He remains unsaved for all eternity.

Another sign you have much to learn. Rather than me give you the quotes you should look in the Acts of the Apostles to see how they referred to Jesus being raised and by Whom! It's important you understand how your understanding is different to the Apostles. You will recall I'm only interested in the original Gospel and not the one you hold.

So you obviously don't believe that Jesus is God, so we believe in different God's. My God never sinned like your one, so He didn't need to be saved.

Again, you hold a different Gospel than the Apostles.

In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence. Hebrews 5:7

Jesus was held under the condemnation and dominion of death.

F2F

 

[BlessedPeace]

Another sign you have much to learn. Rather than me give you the quotes you should look in the Acts of the Apostles to see how they referred to Jesus being raised and by Whom! It's important you understand how your understanding is different to the Apostles. You will recall I'm only interested in the original Gospel and not the one you hold.

Again, you hold a different Gospel than the Apostles.

In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence. Hebrews 5:7

Jesus was held under the condemnation and dominion of death.

F2F

Ah, so you believe a Sinner died to take away our Sins?


One problem with your blasphemy of He who knew not Sin. Death did not hold Him. He had dominion over death.

 

[face2face]

Ah, so you believe a Sinner died to take away our Sins?


One problem with your blasphemy of He who knew not Sin. Death did not hold Him. He had dominion over death.

It's this type of extreme beget extremes response that shows you your Gospel is false. The way you approach OSAS is the same way you approach the Lords life, death & Resurrection.

Why wouldn't you come back with a response inquiring of what Hebrews 5:7 means? Ask intelligent questions of the Word?

F2F

 

[Christian Soldier]

Another sign you have much to learn. Rather than me give you the quotes you should look in the Acts of the Apostles to see how they referred to Jesus being raised and by Whom! It's important you understand how your understanding is different to the Apostles. You will recall I'm only interested in the original Gospel and not the one you hold.

Again, you hold a different Gospel than the Apostles.

In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence. Hebrews 5:7

Jesus was held under the condemnation and dominion of death.

F2F

You'll never convince me to believe that Jesus was a sinner, who needed to be saved. You obviously don't believe that Jesus is God so we have radically different views about who God is.

Jesus never prayed that God to save Him from death, this is pure heresy. You are forced to twist every single word of God to support your heretical Arminian gospel. Jesus prayed that Gods will would be done.

Luke 22:42 saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.”

How did you arrive at the conclusion that Jesus was praying for His salvation from the penalty of sin. Jesus was never under any condemnation or dominion of sin. Adding or taking away from what God said is highly blasphemous and abominable in Gods sight.

 

[BlessedPeace]

You'll never convince me to believe that Jesus was a sinner, who needed to be saved. You obviously don't believe that Jesus is God so we have radically different views about who God is.

Jesus never prayed that God to save Him from death, this is pure heresy. You are forced to twist every single word of God to support your heretical Arminian gospel. Jesus prayed that Gods will would be done.

Luke 22:42 saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.”

How did you arrive at the conclusion that Jesus was praying for His salvation from the penalty of sin. Jesus was never under any condemnation or dominion of sin. Adding or taking away from what God said is highly blasphemous and abominable in Gods sight.

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They don't have to actually know Scripture. They merely have to cobble pieces of Scripture together so to misrepresent the truth.

 

[face2face]

You'll never convince me to believe that Jesus was a sinner, who needed to be saved. You obviously don't believe that Jesus is God so we have radically different views about who God is.

Can you see how your mind is working?
Firstly, you don't have an understanding of Hebrews 5:7 (concerning)
Secondly, your mind jumps to non-Biblical notions first without being open to His Word
On both counts if you continue to apply this approach you will never learn.

Jesus never prayed that God to save Him from death, this is pure heresy. You are forced to twist every single word of God to support your heretical Arminian gospel. Jesus prayed that Gods will would be done.

Luke 22:42 saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.”

How did you arrive at the conclusion that Jesus was praying for His salvation from the penalty of sin. Jesus was never under any condemnation or dominion of sin. Adding or taking away from what God said is highly blasphemous and abominable in Gods sight.

If I showed you another verse which proves your above comment as being false (again!) would you come back with more of the above, or could you have a mind which sets things above, and not as you are showing on things below?

It's with you

F2F

 

[face2face]

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They don't have to actually know Scripture. They merely have to cobble pieces of Scripture together so to misrepresent the truth.

@Christian Soldier - what you will find with many of these difficult passages is the need to force "dogma" into the text as Blessed has done. Again, if you want to understand an know the original Gospel untouched by human hands you will need to begin the process of asking intelligent questions of the text without drawing on false knowledge.
As you can see the issue is not with me, the issue is with your inability to speak the Gospel as taught by the Apostles. You have now misrepresented Christ approx. half a dozen times and its got you nowhere.
F2F

 

[BlessedPeace]

Hebrews 5:7 Commentaries: In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety.

1John 3:5
And you know that he was revealed to take away our sins and there is no sin in him.

 

[face2face]

Hebrews 5:7 Commentaries: In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety.

1John 3:5
And you know that he was revealed to take away our sins and there is no sin in him.

It's clear you are not in sync with the Apostle. Ask questions of the Word don't assume a commentary will help you.
F2F

 

[BlessedPeace]

It's clear you are not in sync with the Apostle. Ask questions of the Word don't assume a commentary will help you.
F2F

It was offered to help new Christians here recognize your Eisegesis,false teachings, so to proceed in knowledge of the truth.


"Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil." 1 John 3:8 ESV

Only God can help you if it be His will.

 

[face2face]

The irony with these subjects (OSAS, Nature of Christ, Atonement etc) is if you are forcing a false doctrine into the word, it means the Word is not in harmony with itself. As soon as you introduce something foreign, the Word rejects it, even though the person forcing it has taken possession, they persist in vain. It's been a consistent theme in this OP. Almost as though the defendants of the false teaching keep butting up against the Apostles teaching.

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