OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[Phoneman777]

No, you just got it wrong, but are too stiff necked to hear correction.

Pretty sure you can't have a "renew them again unto repetance" unless you "renew them unto repentance" a time before.
Words mean things.

 

[ScottA]

Pretty sure you can't have a "renew them again unto repetance" unless you "renew them unto repentance" a time before.
Words mean things.

Read post #120.

 

[Phoneman777]

Let me help you some

Not possible for sightless eyes and tellers of lies to guide those who already have the truth.

The Palestinian covenant did not assure anyone would be saved that is where they failed. The assumed what was not true. And rejected the promises of god and suffered the penalties promised in lev 26 in 70 ad when God again scattered them and utterly destroyed their cities because they failed to Claim the promise of his God and rejected his Messiah.

The OT saved looked forward in faith to the Cross and we look back in faith to the Cross.

Abraham isn't going around saying, "You grace-saved softies wouldn't have lasted one day earning salvation like we did in the OT".

I never said you did. I said they were Nosas. And never claimed you said anything about them I just compared them to you So stop With your accusations

And I said the OSAS crowd are the modern day Pharisees who also claim God's promises while rejecting the conditions for claiming them: repentance.

Nope OSAS trust God in his infinite grace knowing we have nothing to offer God. Like the tax collector we fell to our knees unworthy

You the one who thinks you are worthy not me. You’re the Pharisee not me. You excuse your own sin while you judge me for acknowledging my sin Shame on you

Your the modern day Pharisee dude your the one pumping your chest not me

You practice ohony Christianity like the Pharisees did. The tax collector went home justified not the self righteous Pharisee

OSAS turns the grace of God into License to commit lasciviousness.

 

[Phoneman777]

Read post #120.

why? it's denying they fell away from their initial repentance - because to admit so leaves you no right to believe OSAS

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not possible for sightless eyes and tellers of lies to guide those who already have the truth.

The OT saved looked forward in faith to the Cross and we look back in faith to the Cross.

Abraham isn't going around saying, "You grace-saved softies wouldn't have lasted one day earning salvation like we did in the OT".

And I said the OSAS crowd are the modern day Pharisees who also claim God's promises while rejecting the conditions for claiming them: repentance.

OSAS turns the grace of God into License to commit lasciviousness.

Keep trying to earn salvation. No one in the OT earned salvation Abraham believed God and God counted him as righteous

Keep ignoring your sin that’s on you. As for me I will trust God

 

[ScottA]

why? it's denying they fell away from their initial repentance - because to admit so leaves you no right to believe OSAS

It is you who is denying that Adam and Eve and the whole human race fell away, which has been since the beginning. You're wrong from the get-go.

 

[ScottA]

OSAS turns the grace of God into License to commit lasciviousness.

On the contrary, OSAS shows greater faith in God to save according to His promises.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Pretty sure you can't have a "renew them again unto repetance" unless you "renew them unto repentance" a time before.
Words mean things.

One of the many reasons your theology fails? You try to make a point yet cannot stop with your condescending smart as* remarks.

 

[Phoneman777]

Keep trying to earn salvation. No one in the OT earned salvation Abraham believed God and God counted him as righteous

Keep ignoring your sin that’s on you. As for me I will trust God

The OSAS License to Sin crowd doesn't understand obedience is a worthless commodity, according to Jesus Himself in Luke 17:10 KJV.

What purpose, then, does obedience serve?

It's the resulting outward evidence that a prior inward conversion has taken place. The OSAS crowd's love of sin is what prevents them from converting to Jesus and burning their license.

 

[Phoneman777]

It is you who is denying that Adam and Eve and the whole human race fell away, which has been since the beginning. You're wrong from the get-go.

It is you who deny plain English.

Do you not understand that "renew" means "make new again"?
Do you not understand that "renew again" means "make new again again"?

A thing in need of being made "new again" has already gone through the renewal process at least once.

 

[Phoneman777]

On the contrary, OSAS shows greater faith in God to save according to His promises.

I remember reading somewhere that Jesus said "If ye continue in My word, ye are My disciples indeed".

Also, we are to "abide in the Vine", lest we're cast into the fire.

The reason OSAS hates the truth that obedience is the outward evidence of inward conversion is because they lack the outward evidence that proves they've been inwardly converted...and their religion is an endless round of vain worship borne out of hearts that remain far from Him - and God is as weary with that as He was with stubborn Israel's innumerable sacrifices.

 

[Phoneman777]

One of the many reasons your theology fails? You try to make a point yet cannot stop with your condescending smart as* remarks.

If you think I'm bad, you oughtta hear how Jesus called the stubborn, willfully ignorant "children of the devil".

I think your criticism is best reserved for those who break God's commandments and teach men to do so through OSAS - rather than with those who are called "great" by the heavenly hosts.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The OSAS License to Sin crowd doesn't understand obedience is a worthless commodity, according to Jesus Himself in Luke 17:10 KJV.

What purpose, then, does obedience serve?

It's the resulting outward evidence that a prior inward conversion has taken place. The OSAS crowd's love of sin is what prevents them from converting to Jesus and burning their license.

What Phonyman does not understand is Gods people do obey. It’s not a requirement, it is a new life, a new purpose. A new nature. This new nature does not live in sin because it has been born of God.

See what Phoneman does not understand, Like paul.. We are confident that he who began a good work WILL complete it until the day of christ.

He does not believe this, He does not understand us, thats why he is so angry at us. He yells we think we have a license, when it is HE who is excusing his own sin.

Shame on him.

 

[BlessedPeace]

If you think I'm bad, you oughtta hear how Jesus called the stubborn, willfully ignorant "children of the devil".

I think your criticism is best reserved for those who break God's commandments and teach men to do so through OSAS - rather than with those who are called "great" by the heavenly hosts.

Well,at least you proved my point.


You also proved scripture,again. 1 Corinthians 2 and Romans 8.


Repeating the lie that eternal irrevocable Salvation is a license to Sin doesn't speak against the truth of God through Christ.

Rather,it proves you,the anti-eternal Redemption,anti-Salvation proponents, are immune to learning the truth.

As God wills it,of course.

It also shows how committed the enemy is to bring false teachings amid the Saints. Thinking they shall mislead even the Elect.

However, I promise you and yours, you shall not.

And you shall never know why.

 

[BlessedPeace]

What Phonyman does not understand is Gods people do obey. It’s not a requirement, it is a new life, a new purpose. A new nature. This new nature does not live in sin because it has been born of God.

See what Phoneman does not understand, Like paul.. We are confident that he who began a good work WILL complete it until the day of christ.

He does not believe this, He does not understand us, thats why he is so angry at us. He yells we think we have a license, when it is HE who is excusing his own sin.

Shame on him.

It is far worse than shame.

Plunging to the depths of his verbiage won't change him.

Only the Holy Spirit can.

Only.

 

[face2face]

No you would not

You have to remove it all if your NOSAS.

You have to think you will nto be judged in your unbelief

One extreme begets another extreme I see. You think of those true believers who "by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honour and incorruption, eternal life: doubt about what it they seek? Romans 2:7 You would be wrong again! Its about humility and meekness that those who know God do not presume upon His Kindness Romans 2:4. The arrogance with which you speak provides enough insight to know you do not know Him or His Son.

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[ScottA]

It is you who deny plain English.

Do you not understand that "renew" means "make new again"?
Do you not understand that "renew again" means "make new again again"?

A thing in need of being made "new again" has already gone through the renewal process at least once.

Your ignorance is showing. For what was and is renewed again, was with God before the foundation of the world. And if you were with Him before, you would know this.

 

[ScottA]

I remember reading somewhere that Jesus said "If ye continue in My word, ye are My disciples indeed".

Also, we are to "abide in the Vine", lest we're cast into the fire.

The reason OSAS hates the truth that obedience is the outward evidence of inward conversion is because they lack the outward evidence that proves they've been inwardly converted...and their religion is an endless round of vain worship borne out of hearts that remain far from Him - and God is as weary with that as He was with stubborn Israel's innumerable sacrifices.

You are grossly mistaken and disoriented regarding this entire subject. You have made it a rude obsession.

Those who have faith in the promise of God that salvation is everlasting do not "hate obedience", but just the opposite. On the contrary, we are those whom Paul referred to as "we who are alive and remain." Meaning alive in the Spirit but remaining in the world and in the flesh (which is fully condemned of God as sinful until it passes). Which is not to say--as you say, that we think we have "a license to sin." But rather, that God has allotted to those who can endure, the ministry of His grace, saying "God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it."

"A license to sin?" Heaven forbit --You are an accuser of the saints! There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[face2face]

The passage you referenced talks about producing fruit. Not about salvation.

Salvation and fruits come from the same Spirit, do they not?

 

[face2face]

You are grossly mistaken and disoriented regarding this entire subject. You have made it a rude obsession.

Those who have faith in the promise of God that salvation is everlasting do not "hate obedience", but just the opposite. On the contrary, we are those whom Paul referred to as "we who are alive and remain."

In context Scott!

1 Thess 4:1 Finally then, brothers and sisters, we ask you and urge you in the Lord Jesus, that as you received instruction from us about how you must live and please God (as you are in fact living) that you do so more and more.

The following instruction would be pointless if Paul believed in OSAS.

4:2 For you know what commands we gave you through the Lord Jesus. 4:3 For this is God’s will: that you become holy, that you keep away from sexual immorality, 4:4 that each of you know how to possess his own body in holiness and honor, 4:5 not in lustful passion like the Gentiles who do not know God. 1 Th 4:2–5.

I could go on, but you can clearly see (red text) that there are obligations for salvation (and warnings), expectation of performance in the things of God.

As I'm constantly having to do with believers like you and Rita etc is show the complete picture and not cherry pick confidence verses which confirm your bias.

4:7 For God did not call us to impurity but in holiness. 1 Th 4:7.

Its a high calling, many of which will not endure in faith till the end

4:8 Consequently the one who rejects this is not rejecting human authority but God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you. 1 Th 4:8.

What's interesting about chapter 4 is its primarily made up of warnings which an OSAS advocate would dispel as meaningless, as salvation in their minds is locked in without question.

OSAS does not account for a persons walk...its an arrogant belief in the present, which is ill-informed of the future.

It's foolishness...man made teaching.

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