The Prophetic Timeline: Why Jesuit Futurists/Jesuit Preterists Ignore It

[Phoneman777]

Provide your scripture references.

Judas hung himself before Jesus was crucified. So Judas was never part of the church. The church began after the death and resurrection of Jesus, in Luke 24:44-48.

Matthew 27:
1 When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death:

2 And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor.

3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,

4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.

5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

Can't you just google them like the rest of us?

 

[Phoneman777]

So who has a superior understanding of the apostate papacy?

1. You.
2. John Wycliffe, who was a priest within it.

Remarkable unanimity in being wrong about this particular issue. You put them on too high of a pedestal.


You are making an absolute fool of yourself here. Why don't you find out what I actually believe before spewing this nonsense? I am as far from being a pre-trib dispensationalist as you can get, but here you are thinking I believe that nonsense. I don't believe that any future individual antichrist will arise. John made it clear that antichrist is anyone who rejects Christ.


I don't. Do you have anything to offer at all besides false accusations?


I'm not seeing it. What was being restrained was wickedness. That's why he indicated it would be at some point in the future when there would be a mass falling away for a time just before the return of Christ. Jesus alluded to this as well in Matthew 24:10-13. He indicated it would be a time of increased wickedness. Before that time wickedness has been restrained by the preaching of the gospel through the power of the Holy Spirit. But, a time is coming, if it hasn't started already, when the gospel will be mostly silenced by false teaching and false religions. As an amillennialist, I see that time as correlating with Satan's little season (Revelation 20:7-9).



I say none of the above. Why do you try to limit the options? I say that Paul's reference to "the man of sin" is a general reference to sinful man in a similar way that he generally referenced godly people as "the man of God" in this verse:

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Is this referring to an individual "man of God"? No. It's referring to the people of God in a general sense. That is how I understand the reference to "the man of sin". A general reference to sinful, unrepentant people. And he talks about how there will be a mass falling away before Christ returns, so I see him as describing people who decide to turn away from God and basically see themselves as God instead.


No, I spelled "dramatic" correctly.

The only one making a fool of himself is the fool who doesn't differentiate between the individual antichrist forerunners spoken of by John's day and the ANTICHRIST KINGDOM Paul says was being kept in check by the "restrainer" Pagan Rome. Once Pagan Rome was taken out of the way, the papal antichrist kingdom was free to arise.

 

[covenantee]

In Daniel 8:12-13, the little horn person will stop the daily sacrifice at the time of the end, Daniel 8:17. Who will build the temple which the animal sacrifices will begin again? The pope ?

There are Jewish groups in Israel, such as, the temple mount faithful, and the temple institute, preparing for the building of another Jewish temple on the temple mount.

See post 159.

In Judaism, there is the belief that the messiah will take part in the building of the next temple.

There is no Judaism. There is only pharisaic Babylonian talmudism, which Jesus condemned. Mark 7:13

 

[Douggg]

Can't you just google them like the rest of us?

You made a statement that Judas came out of the church. I am asking you for what scripture says that Judas came out of the church ? The church was not in existence until after Jesus's resurrection. Judas hung himself before the crucifixion and resurrection. So Judas did not come out of the church.

 

[Phoneman777]

You made a statement that Judas came out of the church. I am asking you for what scripture says that Judas came out of the church ? The church was not in existence until after Jesus's resurrection. Judas hung himself before the crucifixion and resurrection. So Judas did not come out of the church.

Didn't Judas ask to join the church?
Didn't Judas start out sincere?
Didn't Judas - like all the disciples - receive the Holy Ghost?
Didn't Judas eventually apostatize and betray Jesus?
Didn't Judas receive the title "Son of Perdition"?

That's exactly what happened in church history - good Christian leaders started out good, but went bad.

 

[Douggg]

See post 159.

There is no Judaism. There is only pharisaic Babylonian talmudism, which Jesus condemned. Mark 7:13

Your post #159 does not address that in Daniel 8:12-13, the little horn person will stop the daily sacrifice at the time of the end, Daniel 8:17.

Judaism is the religion of the Jews, which is based upon keeping the Torah. There is a website called Judaism101, which you can go to learn their beliefs. From that website, regarding their belief about the messiah....

"The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days. "

That person will be the Antichrist. The pope/papacy is not qualified to be anointed the King of Israel.

 

[Douggg]

Didn't Judas - like all the disciples - receive the Holy Ghost?

No, definitely not !

Judas hung himself before Jesus after His resurrection breathed upon the disciples in John 20:22.

22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

 

[covenantee]

Your post #159 does not address that in Daniel 8:12-13, the little horn person will stop the daily sacrifice at the time of the end, Daniel 8:17.

It addresses the false expectation of a rebuilt temple. Without a rebuilt temple, there will be no sacrifice to stop.

Judaism is the religion of the Jews, which is based upon keeping the Torah. There is a website called Judaism101, which you can go to learn their beliefs. From that website, regarding their belief about the messiah....

"The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days. "

Pharisaic Babylonian Talmudism is the religion of the Jews. The Talmud takes precedence over the Torah.

Christ is the Most Holy Anointed One, 2,000 years ago. Daniel 9:24; Luke 4:18; Acts 10:38

That person will be the Antichrist. The pope/papacy is not qualified to be anointed the King of Israel.

John Wycliffe and the Reformers correctly identified the apostate papacy as the antichrist against whom they were commissioned by God to engage in spiritual battle, and to liberate His True Church from spiritual darkness and oppression.

They were successful.

 

[Douggg]

It addresses the false expectation of a rebuilt temple. Without a rebuilt temple, there will be no sacrifice to stop.

There will be a temple built because Daniel 8:12-13 requires it.

Pharisaic Babylonian Talmudism is the religion of the Jews. The Talmud takes precedence over the Torah.

No, it does not. You can ask any Jew.

John Wycliffe and the Reformers correctly identified the apostate papacy as the antichrist against whom they were commissioned by God to engage in spiritual battle, and to liberate His True Church from spiritual darkness and oppression.

Anyone who claims that the pope/papacy is the Antichrist is in error. The pope/papacy is not qualified to be anointed the King of Israel messiah.

Are you SDA ?

 

[covenantee]

There will be a temple built because Daniel 8:12-13 requires it.

I'm stocked up on popcorn. Should be quite a show.

No, it does not. You can ask any Jew.

Does The Talmud Take Precedence Over The Torah?

This page looks at the talmudic teaching that rulings in the talmud may actually supersede what the torah teaches.

jewishroots.net

Anyone who claims that the pope/papacy is the Antichrist is in error. The pope/papacy is not qualified to be anointed the King of Israel messiah.

The Reformers were not in error, because God who commissioned them was not in error.

 

[Douggg]

I'm stocked up on popcorn. Should be quite a show.

Does The Talmud Take Precedence Over The Torah?

This page looks at the talmudic teaching that rulings in the talmud may actually supersede what the torah teaches.

jewishroots.net

The Reformers were not in error, because God who commissioned them was not in error.

Are you SDA ?

 

[covenantee]

Are you SDA ?

I'm Reformation Protestant.

 

[Douggg]

I'm Reformation Protestant.

I'll take that as a no, you are not SDA.

 

[Douggg]

I'm stocked up on popcorn. Should be quite a show.

I don't think God likes your sarcasm.

 

[covenantee]

I'll take that as a no, you are not SDA.

Reformation Protestants are found in various denominations including SDA.

 

[covenantee]

I don't think God likes your sarcasm.

God demonstrated unmistakably that He doesn't like rebuilt temples.

 

[Douggg]

Reformation Protestants are found in various denominations including SDA.

But you are not SDA ? Correct ?

 

[covenantee]

But you are not SDA ? Correct ?

Correct; I am not SDA or any other denomination.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The only one making a fool of himself is the fool who doesn't differentiate between the individual antichrist forerunners spoken of by John's day and the ANTICHRIST KINGDOM Paul says was being kept in check by the "restrainer" Pagan Rome. Once Pagan Rome was taken out of the way, the papal antichrist kingdom was free to arise.

Which one of us misrepresented the other's view multiple times? That would be you. If that's all you have to offer then there's no point in continuing this particular discussion.

 

[Phoneman777]

No, definitely not !

Judas hung himself before Jesus after His resurrection breathed upon the disciples in John 20:22.

22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

Yes...he definitely was "a partaker of the Holy Ghost" but riches became more important than righteousness.

Did not King David pray "take not Thy Holy Spirit from me" when he broke the 6th and 7th?