Video: Preacher Deception Faith Alone No Works?

[Wynona]

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

We are saved by faith alone through grace, but saving faith does produce godly wiorks as Ephesians 2:10 declares.

The works do not save us, or keep us saved or enhance our salvation. they are simply a by product of us being saved.

 

[Wynona]

We are saved by faith alone through grace, but saving faith does produce godly wiorks as Ephesians 2:10 declares.

The works do not save us, or keep us saved or enhance our salvation. they are simply a by product of us being saved.

Works don't save. But saved faith does work.

Does Scripture ever use the term "faith alone"?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Works don't save. But saved faith does work.

Does Scripture ever use the term "faith alone"?

Just those exact words? NO

BUT:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

This says faith alone through grace apart from works.

 

[Wynona]

Just those exact words? NO

BUT:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

This says faith alone through grace apart from works.

James 2:17

King James Version

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17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.


This is why I can't accept "faith alone".

 

[Ronald Nolette]

James 2:17​

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17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.


This is why I can't accept "faith alone".

Because you do not understand biblical faith.

 

[Pearl]

James 2:17​

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17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.


This is why I can't accept "faith alone".

What do you consider to be 'works'?

 

[Wynona]

What do you consider to be 'works'?

I consider works to have two, maybe three types: works of the flesh/following the Laws of Moses and works of faith following the law of Christ.

Our commandment from the Lord is that we love one another---in action and practical help rather than just words.

We feed hungry people. We give our thirsty neighbor drink. These things aren't works of the flesh like fornication, or following the Law of Moses like circumcision. They are done out of faith in Christ and a good conscience toward Him.

Sorry for not answering sooner Pearl.

 

[Wynona]

Because you do not understand biblical faith.

Please describe biblical faith and what Im not understanding.

On a side note, did you watch the video?

 

[Pearl]

If we are open to the Holy Spirit - as we should be when we are born again - he will guide us us and show us what the Lord requires of us. Even in the area of 'good works' it is always best to not go it alone.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Please describe biblical faith and what Im not understanding.

On a side note, did you watch the video?

Biblical faith is a full trust in Jesus Christ and what He accomplished at Calvary for us as individuals.

This is what saves us.

Now as a result of being saved, we become a new creature in Christ , who is being conformed to the image of Jesus.

This is what causes us to desire Him and to seek to serve and glorify HIm.

Biblical faith alone is what saves us, but what happens after our salvation is momumental. It causes us to pursue the good works described in Eph 2.

 

[AW Bowman]

Reference: Romans 4, the faith chapter, with Abraham being a central character. Emphases on verses 1-6; 16-17; 19-22. The question that arises is what works was the writer of Romans referring? One's career? Not very likely. Religious works? Well we all know what Jesus thought about the majority of the Temple priesthood crowd, (Pharisees, Scribes, Sadducee) and their edicts. So what is the works? Try Gen 26:1-6, Emphases: vs. 5.

Conclusion: Obeying God's word, even those of Jesus. Doing the works of faith and doing our very best to emulate the works of Jesus, see John 14:12-15.

Admonishment: Please do not call Jesus Lord, if you do not actually love him and obey Him. Matt 7:21-22, Luke 6:45-47, and of course, John 14:23

Thought for the day: What does it mean to have the mind of Christ and to grow in Christ?

Peace be unto you

 

[Wynona]

Biblical faith is a full trust in Jesus Christ and what He accomplished at Calvary for us as individuals.

This is what saves us.

Now as a result of being saved, we become a new creature in Christ , who is being conformed to the image of Jesus.

This is what causes us to desire Him and to seek to serve and glorify HIm.

Biblical faith alone is what saves us, but what happens after our salvation is momumental. It causes us to pursue the good works described in Eph 2.

I quoted Scripture that contradicts the phrase "faith alone" but this does not mean I believe we rely on ourselves for salvation.

I think modern church is afraid of acknowledging and affirming works of faith. I see "faith alone" as church tradition, not Scripture. Scripture doesn't say we are saved by faith alone. Thats a church tradition.

 

[Rockerduck]

James is misunderstood.
James 2:17 - 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

What kind of works is James talking about? Read on:

James 2:21 - Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?

It was God that instructed Abraham to offer Isaac on the altar. So, if God tells you to do something, obey it. This is James's definition of works..

 

[Rockerduck]

You are saved by Faith, plus nothing. God has Sovereign authority and power over all aspects of salvation. You can't add to it or take away from it, it is all in the hands of the nail pierced hands of Jesus.

 

[Wynona]

So, if God tells you to do something, obey it. This is James's definition of works..

I agree.

We ought to follow all of the Lord's instructions, not just the command to believe on Him and the resurrection.

I maintain that the phrase "faith alone" is not in Scripture. That is a core belief of the Protestant Reformation and highly revered...but Scripture doesn't say it.

Jesus said that those who do not bear fruit get burned in the fire. We should all be encouraged to be fruitful and obey God, not just reaffirm faith in the gospel over and over again---thats another church tradition that doesn't fit Scripture.

 

[Rockerduck]

I agree.

We ought to follow all of the Lord's instructions, not just the command to believe on Him and the resurrection.

I maintain that the phrase "faith alone" is not in Scripture. That is a core belief of the Protestant Reformation and highly revered...but Scripture doesn't say it.

Jesus said that those who do not bear fruit get burned in the fire. We should all be encouraged to be fruitful and obey God, not just reaffirm faith in the gospel over and over again---thats another church tradition that doesn't fit Scripture.

Its right here in Scripture. Just add "alone" and everything else supports alone. After "faith" Paul says you can't because its a gift from God, period.

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace you have been saved through faith, (alone). and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

 

[Wynona]

Its right here in Scripture. Just add "alone" and everything else supports alone. After "faith" Paul says you can't because its a gift from God, period.

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace you have been saved through faith, (alone). and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Except people quote me this as if it bacls up faith alone but won't acknowledge the Scriptures that say faith without works is dead, Abraham was justified by works and not faith only.

People want Ephesians 2:8-9 to get them through an entire lifetime and into the Kingdom to stay. I agree that we did nothing to be saved. We just had to believe. But to be seated in the Kingdom does not mean we stay without righteousness. Without a wedding garment of saintly righteousness, we'll get tossed out of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

The angels are going to remove all who practice iniquity or lawlessness. Faith gets you a place in the Kingdom the moment you believe. But there are sheep and goats, wheats and tares. There's a weeding out process. The path is narrow. Many are called. Few are chosen.

I got verses, I just don't think people read them.

 

[amadeus]

Except people quote me this as if it bacls up faith alone but won't acknowledge the Scriptures that say faith without works is dead, Abraham was justified by works and not faith only.

People want Ephesians 2:8-9 to get them through an entire lifetime and into the Kingdom to stay. I agree that we did nothing to be saved. We just had to believe. But to be seated in the Kingdom does not mean we stay without righteousness. Without a wedding garment of saintly righteousness, we'll get tossed out of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

The angels are going to remove all who practice iniquity or lawlessness. Faith gets you a place in the Kingdom the moment you believe. But there are sheep and goats, wheats and tares. There's a weeding out process. The path is narrow. Many are called. Few are chosen.

I got verses, I just don't think people read them.

And then again from where does "faith" come from?

Ro 10:17

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Mt 11:15

He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

And then upon what is it that man lives?

Mt 4:4

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.