I usually agree with you QT, but are you saying that if we get one doctrine wrong we won't be saved?
Is Sound Doctrine Essential for Salvation?
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quietthinker
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We get many things wrongs all the time GG ...and no, I'm not saying that.
In terms of participating in a forum, it's acceptable, but if we're considering what Jesus truly thinks, it's a different matter.
Claiming that Jesus endorses certain teachings and practices without evidence is misleading... it distorts his image to fit individual preferences. To truly follow Jesus, one must genuinely understand his teachings. No one will receive the holy spirit from above by spreading false religious teachings or engaging in practices that displease God.
2 Cor. 6:14 Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? 15 Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer share in common with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement does God’s temple have with idols? For we are a temple of a living God; just as God said: “I will reside among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.” 17 “‘Therefore, get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah, ‘and quit touching the unclean thing’”; “‘and I will take you in.’” 18 “‘And I will become a father to you, and you will become sons and daughters to me,’ says Jehovah, the Almighty.”
ScottA
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Good--that much is correct.
But how is it that you speak so crossly as if knowledgeable, without fully acknowledging all that is written?
Read:
"...the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For in fact the body is not one member but many.
15 If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body,” is it therefore not of the body? 16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body,” is it therefore not of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the smelling? 18 But now God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased. 19 And if they were all one member, where would the body be?
20 But now indeed there are many members, yet one body. 21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; nor again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” 22 No, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary. 23 And those members of the body which we think to be less honorable, on these we bestow greater honor; and our unpresentable parts have greater modesty, 24 but our presentable parts have no need. But God composed the body, having given greater honor to that part which lacks it, 25 that there should be no schism in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. 26 And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; or if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way" (1 Corinthians 12:12-31).
St. SteVen
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No one is saved by doctrine. IMHO
Doctrine as a god - bow down before the one you serve...
There is no salvation in doctrine. Only God can save. --- Agree or disagree? --- Doctrolatry (to coin a term) Follow-up to several topics: "My doctrinal opinion is true; you're doctrinal opinion is false." - Got it? The (potential) Treachery of Doctrine > My way, or the highway > What...The "Yeah, but..." school of doctrine - Bible versus Bible
We have all been there. You present your doctrinal position and give biblical support for it. The response is, "Yeah, but..." and then your "opponent" gives their differing doctrinal position with biblical support. So basically, Bible versus Bible. (who will win?) Ironically, the WORDS "Yeah...What makes a doctrine false?
What makes a doctrine false? Please quote what you would like to respond to. Thanks. 1. You've never heard it before. (knee-jerk defensive response) 2. You have heard of it before, but assume it's false. (haven't looked into it) 3. Doesn't align with your church's doctrine (your church...The (potential) Treachery of Doctrine > My way, or the highway >
...conceit of doctrinal individuality Got it all figured out? - You read the Bible cover-to-cover. Good for you. Kudos. - You read up on doctrine and apologetics. Good. - You arrived at a position on nearly any biblical topic, or doctrine. Check. - Now you are ready to kick some butt. Say...Choice of doctrine is driven by religious preconception - Spirituality is an individualized journey
...such and so, because..." It's easy to identify a religious cult. They meet in the church across the street from your church. And they feel the same way about you. --- Where does this leave us? Choice of doctrine is driven by religious preconception - Spirituality is an individualized journey[
Ritajanice
Born-Again
I am clothed in the righteousness of Christ.....but, only when I’m a child of God, when my spirit has been supernaturally birthed by the Living Spirit Of God...I know that I am a child of the most high in my spirit.
Isaiah 61:10 ESV / 10 helpful votes
I will greatly rejoice in the Lord; my soul shall exult in my God, for he has clothed me with the garments of salvation; he has covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decks himself like a priest with a beautiful headdress, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewelsDoctrine does not birth anyone’s spirit,so, no sound doctrine is not essential for salvation....
We are Born Of The Spirit....we are not Born Of sound doctrine...
No one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.....
Flesh gives birth to flesh = human birth by the sperm of a man penetrating our mothers egg.
Spirit gives birth to spirit = the Seed Of God penetrating the human spirit/ heart, taking up permanent residence in our spirit/ heart...,Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed...that seed is the Living Holy Spirit..
For me it would be, Gods Living testimony his Living Holy Spirit...only he can can bring our spirit Alive in Christ.my testimony and belief.
No One Is Righteous9 What then? Are we Jews[a] any better off?[b] No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, 10 as it is written:
“None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”
13 “Their throat is an open grave;
they use their tongues to deceive.”
“The venom of asps is under their lips.”
14 “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 in their paths are ruin and misery,
17 and the way of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
19 Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. 20 For by works of the law no human being[c] will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
The Righteousness of God Through Faith
21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith.28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.
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