Do you believe this is...

[MA2444]

This is all puff and wind MA...these are statements made from one who is out of their depth on a subject they themselves have not tested.

All I can suggest is you go away and search the Word for yourself - put in the time and labour to rightly divide it and if your Holy Spirit reveals its truth return with joy in your heart.

Not a chance boy. I'm stayng right here to counter your BS that you make up. And who knows? Maybe the Lord will knock you off your horse like He did Paul, then you might be a good soldier for the Lord? SO nah, I'll stay. I understand I irritate you by seeing through your crap, but like they say, that's life.

 

[MA2444]

out of their depth on a subject they themselves have not tested.

What does that mean? Have not tested?

Tell me more about that brother, enlighten me. Your words scream that you Have tested it. SO what's really up? Huh? Help a dumb guy out, lol.

 

[face2face]

@MA2444 self control is required on your part here - you're losing grip, have a quiet word to yourself and return centred.

I'm here ready to discuss the OP which to date has caused considerable issues for those who "thought" their fallen angel theology was a thing.

What we are finding is its impossible to prove error.

Speak soon no doubt!

F2F

 

[face2face]

Not a chance boy. I'm stayng right here to counter your BS that you make up. And who knows? Maybe the Lord will knock you off your horse like He did Paul, then you might be a good soldier for the Lord? SO nah, I'll stay. I understand I irritate you by seeing through your crap, but like they say, that's life.

There is no irritation MA - I'm enjoying our chats! Looking forward to you getting back on topic soon.

Post #207 seemed to be a hard one.

Care to look?

F2F

 

[MA2444]

There is no irritation MA - I'm enjoying our chats! Looking forward to you getting back on topic soon.

Post #207 seemed to be a hard one.

Care to look?

F2F

Then why did you tell me to go away?

Nope not interested in looking at what you have to say because if I ask a question about it you dodge having to answer it. You go answer some of mine and then maybe.

You wont talk about your faith at all. You have no testimony. You havent even spoken of one good thing that the Lord has ever done for you. Or the spirits that you do receive from!

Now what am I supposed to think? You are hiding a lot.

Say something good about the Lord. (I know you wont)

 

[MA2444]

What does that mean? Have not tested?

Tell me more about that brother, enlighten me. Your words scream that you Have tested it. SO what's really up? Huh? Help a dumb guy out, lol.

So you wont help a Brother out huh?

@MA2444 self control is required on your part here - you're losing grip, have a quiet word to yourself and return centred.

I'm here ready to discuss the OP which to date has caused considerable issues for those who "thought" their fallen angel theology was a thing.

What we are finding is its impossible to prove error.

Speak soon no doubt!

F2F

How old are you? You sound like like a teenage punk kid playing games.

@MA2444 self control is required on your part here - you're losing grip, have a quiet word to yourself and return centred.

There it is again. You wish I would go away so you can freely spout your tripe, lol. It is bedtime for tonight, but you can bet I'll be back tomorrow lol. At least you have been exposed as a fraud and a troll abd we're talking about that and not about what you want to talk about, lol!

Tell us about your spirits that you receive from. What is it's name?

 

[Duck Muscles]

Sorry, how did you make that connection?

The name Lucifer means day star while satan means adversary.

Both words are used in different context.

Understand?

Do you understand ha Satan is not a name but a title?
Lucifer fallen is God's Adversary,ha Satan.

Understand?

 

[face2face]

Do you understand ha Satan is not a name but a title?
Lucifer fallen is God's Adversary,ha Satan.

Understand?

How did this king get the name of Lucifer?

The word used by Isaiah was the Hebrew word helel, meaning ‘shining one’. He was indeed a ‘star’ in the political heavens, while he lasted. The word lucifer comes from Jerome’s Latin Vulgate version of the Old Testament, of AD 385. It is in fact a straight translation of the Hebrew into Latin, for lucifer means ‘shining one’, or ‘light-bearer’. It is not a personal name for the king. However, in the Latin Biblia Sacra (Sistine revision of 1593), the word is given a capital ‘L’, which made it appear to be a personal name.

In comparison

The “bright and morning star” The true claimant to the title of the “shining one” is he who declared that he is the light of the world, and the “bright and morning star” (Revelation 22:16). His influence upon the nations will be a contrast to the darkness inflicted by the king of Babylon: “For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”

Σατᾶν Satán; masc. noun transliterated the Hebr. Sātān (7854), adversary

Straight forward really.

F2F

 

[face2face]

Then why did you tell me to go away?

You didn't read the "come back?"...no need to cherry pick...no threat here!

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

...a true assessment of His Angels?

Praise the Lord, you angels of his, you powerful warriors who carry out his decrees and obey his orders! 103:21 Praise the Lord, all you warriors of his, you servants of his who carry out his desires! Ps 103:20–21.

I'm consistently hearing in this forum of fallen angels which clearly is a contraction to the above truth.

Our Father in heaven, may your name be honored, 6:10 may your kingdom come, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven Mt 6:9–10.

Is His Will always done in Heaven?

So do His Angels "always" do His Pleasure?
Is His Will "always" done in Heaven?

Many of you reading this would say NO! God is not in control of His own House; the Divine Nature being pure, perfect and Holy can sin

Carry through the logic...you wrestle for 70 odd years in the flesh suffering with temptation and sin only to find you will sin as a divine being

Have you got the whole fallen angel doctrine entirely wrong?

99% of this forum are in this position of error!

99% of this forum do not know the God of Psalm 103:20-21 & Matthew 6:9-10

Proceed...

F2F

Lucifer was the supreme glorified cherub and most powerful and beautiful angel, yet his pride caused him to turn against God and took 1/3 of the angels with Him, that means they fell from grace. They are demons, no longer God's angels. Lucifer became Satan.
But scratch your head about this, it's all part of the plan, all under the Sovereignty of God. We needed to know evil to know and appreciate what good is. As you read Job, you realize that Satan cannot do anything unless he has God's permission. He has permameters, limitations. That is why no I ne can snatch us out of God's hand. God causes all things to work together for good for those who love the Lord, for those who are called to His purpose. Rom. 8:28
Many do not love the Lord. For them, they miss the boat, they get lost and caught up in worldly spiritual darkness. They are called by Satan and follow him unbeknownst to them. Their hearts become callous, ears deaf, so that when God calls, they do hear. God is fair. He draws all men to Himself but many resist up until the day they die.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. Isaiah 45:7

"Evil" is translated in other versions as disasters, calamities, troubles. He allows all these things for a purpose within His plan. He put the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden. He knew what would happen. He even allowed Satan in there to tempt them. A not so perfect environment as it would seem. A perfect environment would be without the possibility of evil and the Devil tempting you. It will be that way someday ... on earth as it is in heaven. Taken gave you some pertinent scriptures.

 

[face2face]

Lucifer was the supreme glorified cherub and most powerful and beautiful angel, yet his pride gieNJ zee inturned against God and took 1/3 of the angels with Him, that means they fell from grace. They are demons, no longer God's angels. Lucifer became Satan.

Not so...its a taunt against the King of Babylon and the symbols require spiritual discernment. You fail yourself and the Word by approaching it with man-made notions.

First step is to rightly acknowledge the context of the prophecy.

Do that and we can talk.

But scratch your head about this, it's all part of the plan, all under the Sovereignty of God. We needed to know evil to know and appreciate what good is. As you read Job, you realize that Satan cannot do anything unless he has God's permission. He has permameters, limitations. That is why no I ne can snatch us out of God's hand. God causes all things to work together for good for those who love the Lord, for those who are called to His purpose. Rom. 8:28
Many do not love the Lord. For them, they miss the boat, they get lost and caught up in worldly spiritual darkness. They are called by Satan and follow him unbeknownst to them. Their hearts become callous, ears deaf, so that when God calls, they do hear. God is fair. He draws all men to Himself but many resist up until the day they die.

Nothing on topic here.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. Isaiah 45:7

A favorite quote of mine to show there is no need for a fallen angel when God alone creates light and shapes evil/darkness.

Well done for quoting it! (a first in this thread)

"Evil" is translated in other versions as disasters, calamities, troubles. He allows all these things for a purpose within His plan. He put the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden. He knew what would happen. He even allowed Satan in there to tempt them. A not so perfect environment as it would seem. A perfect environment would be without the possibility of evil and the Devil tempting you. It will be that way someday ... on earth as it is in heaven. Taken gave you some pertinent scriptures.

As you can imagine trying to force fallen angel theology on an obscure chapter in the book of Ezekiel is rather comical when you think about it. I get you're only repeating what has been taught you, but I suggest you revisit the chapter and ask many pertinent questions and seek their answers as you are able.

If you need help..more than willing!

F2F

 

[Kabone]

Yes feel free.

I’m not verse quoting guy. It’s tedious and unnecessary. People have bibles and can look it up on their own. I’m also not good at it so here goes.
Genesis 6:1 When the human race had spread all over the world, and daughters were being born,
Genesis 6:2 some of the heavenly beings saw that these young women were beautiful, so they took the ones they liked.
Genesis 6:3 Then the Lord said, “I will not allow people to live for ever; they are mortal. From now on they will live no longer than 120 years.”
Genesis 6:4 In those days, and even later, there were giants on the earth who were descendants of human women and the heavenly beings. They were the great heroes and famous men of long ago.

 

[Wrangler]

This is just dishonest on your part Wrangler and I think you know it. I've answered your questions in a number of replies and I'm yet to see you engage with Luke 10:18.

I unwatched this thread due to your not answering me after I asked you twice. True, you THEN answered. Now, I've lost interest. I want to make 2 points, objective and subjective.

OBJECTIVE: I believe if you have the heart to seek, you will find that Demons are fallen Angels and Satan is the lead Demon.

SUBJECTIVE: If you review our exchanges, you will find I was being honest. Your repeated non-responsive replies turned me off. I know you were surprised by my responses and I want you to know why.

Make A Blessed Day!

 

[wooddog]

...a true assessment of His Angels?

Praise the Lord, you angels of his, you powerful warriors who carry out his decrees and obey his orders! 103:21 Praise the Lord, all you warriors of his, you servants of his who carry out his desires! Ps 103:20–21.

I'm consistently hearing in this forum of fallen angels which clearly is a contraction to the above truth.

Our Father in heaven, may your name be honored, 6:10 may your kingdom come, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven Mt 6:9–10.

Is His Will always done in Heaven?

So do His Angels "always" do His Pleasure?
Is His Will "always" done in Heaven?

Many of you reading this would say NO! God is not in control of His own House; the Divine Nature being pure, perfect and Holy can sin

Carry through the logic...you wrestle for 70 odd years in the flesh suffering with temptation and sin only to find you will sin as a divine being

Have you got the whole fallen angel doctrine entirely wrong?

99% of this forum are in this position of error!

99% of this forum do not know the God of Psalm 103:20-21 & Matthew 6:9-10

Proceed...

F2F

You highlight "carry out". If the fallen angels are chained in darkness, Jude 1;6, Psalms 107;10, 2 Peter 2;4, they can "carry out" nothing, they have lost their estate (franchise) until the judgement.

 

[MA2444]

You didn't read the "come back?"...no need to cherry pick...no threat here!

Just friendly discussion you say?

Ok, I'll buy that. Let's discuss.

Can we start here?

Say something good about the Lord. Anything at all.

Because a good christian brother in a friendly discussion would certainly have an answer of thanksgiving and gladness for all the good things that the Lord God has done for you!

Waiting...

 

[MA2444]

Not so...its a taunt against the King of Babylon and the symbols require spiritual discernment. You fail yourself and the Word by approaching it with man-made notions.

I asked you before to tell us about your spirit made notions that come to you, and you must have missed that question so I'll ask you again, now.

Back up what your saying. How do you know?

 

[MA2444]

As you can imagine trying to force fallen angel theology on an obscure chapter in the book of Ezekiel is rather comical when you think about it. I get you're only repeating what has been taught you, but I suggest you revisit the chapter and ask many pertinent questions and seek their answers as you are able.

If you need help..more than willing!

That'll be the day! I need help, wanna help me understand too? Do you have it in you?

WHat are the names of the spirits that come to you?
Where is your Testimony that we can read it?

More than willing he says. Ok, I'll buy that. Waiting....

Waiting...

Still waiting...

 

[face2face]

I unwatched this thread due to your not answering me after I asked you twice. True, you THEN answered. Now, I've lost interest. I want to make 2 points, objective and subjective.

OBJECTIVE: I believe if you have the heart to seek, you will find that Demons are fallen Angels and Satan is the lead Demon.

SUBJECTIVE: If you review our exchanges, you will find I was being honest. Your repeated non-responsive replies turned me off. I know you were surprised by my responses and I want you to know why.

Make A Blessed Day!

Mate, this goes beyond surprised! Your integrity in this thread has been deplorable to say the least. You are winging over one unanswered question and you are yet to answer any of the number of questions presented to you on Luke 10:18. It's transparent Wrangler what you are doing here...its called taking the back door. #207 is still waiting for you to reply amid other questions on this subject.

I think if you review our exchange and your reply above you would see this is hypocrisy on your part - the repeated non responses and cherry picking the odd "low interest" comments shows you are not serious about your belief in fallen angel theology and further more, your interest is low enough not to care in responding. I've seen this many times Wrangler where the arguments chip away at your paradigm until you either deal with the issues or you shrink back into the safety of confirmation bias.

All the best with that.

F2F

 

[face2face]

You highlight "carry out". If the fallen angels are chained in darkness, Jude 1;6, Psalms 107;10, 2 Peter 2;4, they can "carry out" nothing, they have lost their estate (franchise) until the judgement.

Precisely.

How is it you can pin point the contradiction, but none in this forum can draw to the conclusion that their supposed "fallen angel" is powerless, so much so in Hebrew 2:14 its state the devil has been destroyed in Christs death. The Satan in Job has no power at all of his own, only that which God allows. This adversary appears for the first 3 chapters and what do you hear of it after that? Answer: Nothing!

So to answer your statement - all angels carry out God's Command end of story. There is no such thing as a fallen angel.

Good reply

F2F

 

[face2face]

I’m not verse quoting guy. It’s tedious and unnecessary. People have bibles and can look it up on their own. I’m also not good at it so here goes.
Genesis 6:1 When the human race had spread all over the world, and daughters were being born,
Genesis 6:2 some of the heavenly beings saw that these young women were beautiful, so they took the ones they liked.
Genesis 6:3 Then the Lord said, “I will not allow people to live for ever; they are mortal. From now on they will live no longer than 120 years.”
Genesis 6:4 In those days, and even later, there were giants on the earth who were descendants of human women and the heavenly beings. They were the great heroes and famous men of long ago.

Kabone, you are referring to the Nephiulim yeah?

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown. Genesis 6:4

Where do you get that this group of people were fallen angels?
Angels neither marry or are given in marriage - do you believe angels can procreate? Do you have a Bible verse for that?

I think you have a lot going on there if you think this race of people are fallen angels. Maybe you have been watching too many Percy Jackson movies?

The Hebrew nephilim, from naphal to fall, signifies "fallen ones". They were fallen from righteousness, but strong in stature and prowess. Like the sons of Lamech, of the time of Cain they exercised great power in the fields of profit, pleasure, power and permissiveness.

They reflected the fierce, military boastfulness of Lamech who threatened others with death if they dared impede his course.

F2F

"Men" in that verse is the Heb Adam - angels are not Adam.