Understanding : Acts 2:38

[Eternally Grateful]

God has already brought me to repentance before he gave birth to my spirit, Spirit gives birth to spirit.

If you did not trust God yet, you have not repented.

I have been Born Again of imperishable seed..i don’t sin...the Holy Spirit cannot indwell a sinner,God has forgiven my sins, past, present and future.

you don;t sin?

My God you have been sinning in this very chatroom. and you claim you do not sin?

You are decieved.

How can God forgive your future sins if you do not sin? Do you listen to yourself??

 

[Ritajanice]

more deflection.

You do that exact thing when you claim what we believe is not according to the word. Your in effect saying we must listen to you, You are right, we are wrong.

Born of the spirit is a doctrinal truth, and Jesus told us how to be born of the spirit

Born of the Spirit is a Living truth, delivered by the Living word of God via His Spirit.

Jesus told us how we become Born Again in His written word...you must receive His Living word..which backs up His written word.

I’ve already posted how I was Born Again by the Living Spirit Of God.

I have challenged your doctrine for weeks now

But that is not what my comment was about

You have not challenged my doctrine on this thread.

 

[Ritajanice]

If you did not trust God yet, you have not repented.

Already posted regarding this.

you don;t sin?

My God you have been sinning in this very chatroom. and you claim you do not sin?

You are decieved.

How can God forgive your future sins if you do not sin? Do you listen to yourself??

A Born Again does not sin because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed.

Reread my post..I posted, my past sins, my present sins , my future sins aren’t recognised by the Living God, because I have been Born Again of imperishable seed.

I have be reconciled/ made right before God...and sin no more.

Being Born Again of imperishable seed...is the Living seed of God who indwells my spirit, where it has grown and will continue to grow and flourish, because his seed was planted by Him...and not manmade religion.

 

[Ritajanice]

If you did not trust God yet, you have not repented.

What kind of manmade doctrine is this, imo.....scripture please?

You cannot trust God or even know God, without His witness the Living Holy Spirit , testifying Gods Living word to our spirit...you must be Born Again to know God in Spirit.

No relationship with God without his witness in our hearts/ spirit...we must be Born Again to be spiritual children of God.....period.

Just as His written word says, without the Spirit you are none of His...

 

[Ritajanice]

My God you have been sinning in this very chatroom. and you claim you do not sin?

That is just your opinion.

There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Imo..you over dramatise everything I say........makes a mountain out of a molehill.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We are Born Again by the Spirit?

We are not Born Again by the cross..please reread my posts?

Why would you make such a comment? do you think I do not read your posts? This is again rude

Yes be are born again by the spirit. we are saved by Grace period. But it does not happen apart from faith. You have to continue to read the passage,

for we have been saved by grace THROUGH FAITH.

Paul makes it clear. We are saved through the spirit and sealed by him after hearing the word of truth and believing, Not before.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What kind of manmade doctrine is this, imo.....scripture please?

Here we go again.

Tell me how one can repent if they do not have faith? Go ahead, explain how you can change you view and come to faith in God without repenting?

You cannot trust God or even know God, without His witness the Living Holy Spirit , testifying Gods Living word to our spirit...you must be Born Again to know God in Spirit.

1. This is in error. Romans 1 destroys this thinking, even Gods creation speaks of him, thus we have no excuse.
2. We can not be born again unless we have repented.. and we cannot repent unless we know the word of God.

No relationship with God without his witness in our hearts/ spirit...we must be Born Again to be spiritual children of God.....period.

Just as His written word says, without the Spirit you are none of His...

Yes, we must be born again, And Jesus told us how.

He sent his son that whoever believes will never perish but has eternal life.

Whoever is born again is not condemned, They are not condemned why"Because they believe, they went from unbelief to belief, this is called repenting.

 

[Ritajanice]

Why would you make such a comment? do you think I do not read your posts? This is again rude

I’m not sure what your definition of rude is.

You seem to take everything so very personally....you need to stand in the shoes of Jesus, you wouldn’t last 5 seconds.

Yes be are born again by the spirit. we are saved by Grace period. But it does not happen apart from faith. You have to continue to read the passage,

for we have been saved by grace THROUGH FAITH.

You deny not only the Living word of God also his written word...Faith is a supernatural gift from God.

Paul makes it clear. We are saved through the spirit and sealed by him after hearing the word of truth and believing, Not before.

We are Born Of The Spirit, the Living Spirit Of God, you cannot hear God not until that supernatural act happens by God via His Spirit.

The Spirit beareth witness with our spirit that we are Gods children.....our spirit is Born Again ,our spirit is what communicates with Gods Living word, backed up by his written word.

 

[Ritajanice]

Here we go again.

Tell me how one can repent if they do not have faith? Go ahead, explain how you can change you view and come to faith in God without repenting?

I have already explained this God brought me to repentance/ Godly sorrow...then he brought me to believe in Jesus, then he gifted me God given faith, as he was indwelling my spirit, His Living Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children.

Personally I’m not sure you understand that Gods word is Alive in Spirit?

1. This is in error. Romans 1 destroys this thinking, even Gods creation speaks of him, thus we have no excuse.

You can wonder who created the world in your own human intellect..unfortunately you can’t know the creator without his witness ,the Holy Spirit, just as Gods word says, without his Spirit you are none of His.

2. We can not be born again unless we have repented.. and we cannot repent unless we know the word of God.

I have already addressed this many times, as members can see..yet you seem to ignore what I post regarding repentance?

Yes, we must be born again, And Jesus told us how.

He told us how in the written word.

We don’t know how we are Born Again by His Living word.....it happens in the blink of an eye..

He sent his son that whoever believes will never perish but has eternal life.

Whoever believes in the Son must be Born Of The Spirit, you must know who Jesus was in your spirit, not just the written word...knowing Jesus in your spirit is a supernatural act that only the Spirit of God can do, Spirit gives birth to spirit...that is the Living spiritual rebirth

Whoever is born again is not condemned, They are not condemned why"Because they believe, they went from unbelief to belief, this is called repenting.

Whoever is Born Again by the Living Spirit Of God, has been saved from eternal damnation.

 

[Ritajanice]

We are once again going round in circles @Eternally Grateful ...I don’t believe as you believe and you don’t believe as I believe...no point in continuing to force each other to believe our way..that is NEVER going to happen, I thrive on God’s Living word...will now exit this thread...enjoy the rest of your day and try not to take things so personally...there is great freedom when one is able to do that...Look to Jesus as the GREATEST of examples......Praise God,xx

 

[Behold]

You do not have to see any cross to be Born Again...F

Every person, who is born again.......has to understand that Jesus died on the Cross, before they can be born again by God.

And once you hear this GOSPEL.... you BELIEVE IN JESUS.. .and God takes that FAITH... as "faith is counted by God', once you give it to Him..

As your "faith comes by HEARING..... = You have UNDERSTOOD that Jesus died for your SINS .

That is to SEE THE CROSS.

And you are teaching this crazy Calvinism...

Ritajanice said:
"""""".you understand the cross once you have become Born Again""""""

See that?

You are teaching that you have to be BORN AGAIN before you can BELIEVE IN JESUS.

That is "crazy Calvinism"..

That is...>"now that im born again, i can now GIVE GOD MY FAITH in Christ."...

And that is a "doctrine of Devils".. = T<ULIP "Total Depravity"... deceit.

See, we must TRUST IN CHRIST, = before God will save us, = Born again.

We must give God our FAITH, so that we have this.."Grace THROUGH Faith"..

 

[Rockerduck]

There you go being childish again.

You have nothing else to say so you resort to these attacks.

This is why so many people in the past get frustrated with you. and why you have complained even to me in private chat that they are not listening to you.

No one listens to a know it all

Only those losing an argument resort to name calling. Calling someone childish is name calling.

 

[Behold]

Thank you again. I do read and study the epistles of Paul as well as the rest of the written scriptures regularly, yet my understanding on some points still differs from yours. I will leave you for the moment.

Enjoyed our discussion.

-Shalom

 

[Ritajanice]

Every person, who is born again.......has to understand that Jesus died on the Cross, before they can be born again by God.

No they don’t, not biblical...I was brought to initially believe in Jesus by God....then by his mercy and grace ,gifted me faith and I became Born Again in the blink of an eye.....Born Again by the Living word of God, not the written word of God...

And once you hear this GOSPEL.... you BELIEVE IN JESUS.. .and God takes that FAITH...

As your "faith comes by HEARING..... = You have UNDERSTOOD that Jesus died for your SINS .

Faith is a gift from God which you deny.a manifestation of the Spirit

That is to SEE THE CROSS.

You do not become Born Again by the cross, you become Born Again because of the cross..

And you are teaching this crazy Calvinism...

Ritajanice said:
.you understand the cross once you have become Born Again

See that?

You are teaching that you have to be BORN AGAIN before you can BELIEVE IN JESUS.

You must be Born Again before you can believe anything or understand anything of the cross, as it’s the Holy Spirit who witnesses to our spirit the truth of the cross.

That is "crazy Calvinism"..

That is...>"now that im born again, i can now GIVE GOD MY FAITH"...

Faith is a gift from God, that is Gods word.

And that is a "doctrine of Devils"..

See, we must TRUST IN CHRIST, = before God will save us, = Born again.

We are brought to believe in Jesus by God, you would have no idea how to believe in the Spirit,..as a mere human being.

I started to learn to trust in God when I became Born Of The Spirit...I knew nothing of God in Spirit not until he gave birth to my spirit...” Spirit gives birth to spirit “

You must first know the Living word of God Behold, before you can even begin to understand his written word.

The Spirit leads us through the written word by His Spirit, he brings Gods written word to our understanding via his Spirit...as we are his spiritual children...Praise God.

God gets all the GLORY ...when he made my spirit Born Again......he did it all!!..by His Mighty power!..His Living Mighty Power....

 

[Behold]

No they don’t, not biblical.

You can't believe in Jesus, until you hear about Jesus.

"Faith COMES.....by HEARING".. the Gospel...


So, you posted this..

Ritajanice said:
."""??you understand the cross once you have become Born Again""""


You are teaching that you have to be born again, before you can Believe in Jesus.

Thats not true., and is in fact, impossible.

Brightframe also teaches this nonsense.

God will not join Himself to anyone, when they have Sin.
And you have to be forgiven your SIN, before God will give you the new Birth.


And your theology is ....."i was born again first, and then i was able to SEE the Cross"..

So, you are claiming you were born again before you were forgiven, = before you Trusted in Christ. (Could SEE The Cross).

This is why i hate Calvinism and TULIP, as it completely subverts the correct and true understanding of Faith and The Cross and the New Birth.

It is absolutely one of the Devil's Finest Theologies.

 

[Ritajanice]

You can't believe in Jesus, until you hear about Jesus.

Correct....I was taught all about Jesus in RE at secondary school...I understood only as a human could understand.....as i was still dead and alienated from God in my spirit.

"Faith COMES.....by HEARING".. the Gospel...


So, you posted this..

Ritajanice said:
."""??you understand the cross once you have become Born Again""""


You are teaching that you have to be born again, before you can Believe in Jesus.

You have to be Born Again before you can “believe” in the Spirit Of God,..yes that is correct.

I have already explained this countless times to you about believing in Jesus.God brought me to believe In Jesus initially......I wouldn’t know how to as a sinner that I once was.

Thats not true., and is in fact, impossible.

God will not join Himself to anyone, when they have Sin.
And you have to be forgiven your SIN, before God will give you the new Birth.

I have also addressed this.

And your theology is ....."i was born again first, and then i was able to SEE the Cross"..

I was able to see the importance of the cross, by the witness of the Holy Spirit, when he made me Born Again, that is correct...I saw the cross and it’s significance in my spirit, that is where Gods truth is witnessed to our spirit, via His Holy Spirit, when he makes us Born Again.

So, you are claiming you were born again before you were forgiven, and before you Trust in Christ.

I have already explained regarding repentance, and I have explained that you can’t trust in Christ, unless you know him in your spirit, when he makes us Born Again by His Living word, not His written word, that is correct

This is why i hate Calvinism and TULIP, as it completely subverts the understanding of Faith and The Cross and the New Birth.

Well, you are entitled to your opinion....and you are are entitled to assume that I follow Calvin.

Sorry, I thrive on God’s Living word.xx

I am now going to cease discussion with you Behold....as I will NEVER agree with you regarding how we are saved from eternal damnation..

No point in going round in circles, I wish you well on your journey seeking the truth of Gods Living word.

God Bless, enjoy the rest of your day,xx

 

[JBO]

You just said it saves.

Where do you think I said that?

Yes he answered them,

Its NOT YOUR WORK, Its GODS WORK.

He is trying to get them to see there is NO WORK you can do.. You can not even believe on your own.

He is trying to get them to see that the work they must do is believing. Those who believe and are baptized will be saved.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I’m not sure what your definition of rude is.

rude is telling people to read what you post as if they have not.. When they have

You seem to take everything so very personally....you need to stand in the shoes of Jesus, you wouldn’t last 5 seconds.

lol. I am standing on Jesus.. I am just calling out a rude person who says she is representing God..

You deny not only the Living word of God also his written word...Faith is a supernatural gift from God.

Yes it is. But without it, You will not be born again,m period

We are Born Of The Spirit, the Living Spirit Of God, you cannot hear God not until that supernatural act happens by God via His Spirit.

I do not have to be born again for this to happen. I just need God to explain it to me., That is his job..

The Spirit beareth witness with our spirit that we are Gods children.....our spirit is Born Again ,our spirit is what communicates with Gods Living word, backed up by his written word.

This has nothing to do with our conversation.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I have already explained this God brought me to repentance/ Godly sorrow...then he brought me to believe in Jesus, then he gifted me God given faith, as he was indwelling my spirit, His Living Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children.

So is this not when you were born again After he gifted you with faith and you trusted him and called out to him like the tax collector?

Personally I’m not sure you understand that Gods word is Alive in Spirit?

Personally I am sick of your childish attacks., Stop telling me I do not know something..

You can wonder who created the world in your own human intellect..unfortunately you can’t know the creator without his witness ,the Holy Spirit, just as Gods word says, without his Spirit you are none of His.

The holy spirit tells everyone this truth. Have you not read romans 1. No one has an excuse, Because they know it. They hide this truth and God allows them to.

I have already addressed this many times, as members can see..yet you seem to ignore what I post regarding repentance?

No, I just disagree with your view.. I am not ignoring anything, there you go again assuming and attacking.. And you still have not answered how I can go from unbelief to belief without repenting.

He told us how in the written word.

We don’t know how we are Born Again by His Living word.....it happens in the blink of an eye..

Yes he did tell us. Even Nicodemus did nto understand and asked, How can these things be, Jesus did not leave him hanging.

Its the cross. he who BELIEVES is not condemned, He who does not believe is in a state of condemnation already..

Whoever believes in the Son must be Born Of The Spirit, you must know who Jesus was in your spirit, not just the written word...knowing Jesus in your spirit is a supernatural act that only the Spirit of God can do, Spirit gives birth to spirit...that is the Living spiritual rebirth

Whoever is Born Again by the Living Spirit Of God, has been saved from eternal damnation.

No one is saved from eternal damnation until they are first justified.

We are justified by faith.

 

[Ritajanice]

Once we receive the Living word of God by becoming Born Again by His Living Spirit...he explains all of that in his written word.

The Spirit beareth witness with our spirit that we are Gods children, God speaks to our spirit as he’s indwelling our spirit and gifting us his faith to believe in the Spirit...a manifestation of the Spirit,..the Living word of God which is the Living spiritual rebirth, is backed up by His written word.

The written word does not make anyone Born Again, only the Living word of God can birth our spirit into his...Spirit gives birth to spirit...which the written word backs up.