Understanding : Acts 2:38

[Eternally Grateful]

Gods gift of Faith and becoming Born Again happens at the same time.

You teach the written word.

You don’t teach or understand the Living word of God,imo.

Your right,

I have faith in the work of God. I call out to Jesus and become like the tax collector. At that moment I am born again, Because my sins are remitted through that faith.

However, this is not what you are saying

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Your doctrine imo is learnt from the written word.

Not the Living word of God,imo.

There you go being childish again.

You have nothing else to say so you resort to these attacks.

This is why so many people in the past get frustrated with you. and why you have complained even to me in private chat that they are not listening to you.

No one listens to a know it all

 

[amadeus]

Paul wrote most of the NT epistles, and the Doctrine for the Church.

If you want to know what you need to know, you go to Paul's Epistles, His Doctrine.



Paul is our NT teacher, and His Theology, and the "Gospel" was delivered to Paul , from Jesus.
Paul then took this doctrine, and gave it to all the remaining Apostles, . and that is found in Act's 15.

So, that doctrine, is Pauline Theology, and its what we have to learn., as it is what "perfects us into the Knowledge of God".

Paul tells us to "work out your salvation "and that mean to come into the full understanding of : Salvation, as God has provided it.

Anything outside that, is not of that, and that is where "doctrines of devil's" comes from.

Thank you again. I do read and study the epistles of Paul as well as the rest of the written scriptures regularly, yet my understanding on some points still differs from yours. I will leave you for the moment.

 

[Ritajanice]

Your right, Just looking to the cross does not mean you trust what the cross represents and what it will do. Yu actually have to trust it

You can’t understand the cross without being Born Of The Spirit.

Who taught you that you can be born again apart from the cross. Not even a calvinist uses the arguments you use, in fact your the only person I have ever met who is stuck on this imperishable seed bit apart from faith in Christ.

I was Born Again just as Jesus explains to Nicodemus, have never read a Bible.

I was Born Again by the Living word of God....

What is being Born Again by the Living word of God?

 

[Ritajanice]

There you go being childish again.

You have nothing else to say so you resort to these attacks.

There is no attacking in my words...I gave my opinion just as you do.

This is why so many people in the past get frustrated with you. and why you have complained even to me in private chat that they are not listening to you.

Please don’t get personal, this has nothing to do with the topic in hand.

Challenge my posts please and not my personality..thank you.

No one listens to a know it all

I have never expressed to know it all.

 

[Behold]

God gifts us the faith to believe in the cross..

Let me show you what you are teaching..

Ritajanice said:
"""".you understand the cross = once you have become Born Again"""""


See that? You are teaching that a person "can't see the Cross", can't understand why Jesus died on it, until they have become BORN AGAIN".. = FIRST

= "doctrine of devils".. ."TULIP"...= deception.

And in Fact, you have to SEE the Cross, you have to understand the Gospel that is the Sacrifice of Jesus... You have to understand this FIRST, so that you can BELIEVE iT BY FAITH, .. and that is Faith in Christ that God accepts to then cause you to become born again.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You can’t understand the cross without being Born Of The Spirit.

then you can never be saved

I was Born Again just as Jesus explains to Nicodemus, have never read a Bible.

I was Born Again by the Living word of God....

What is being Born Again by the Living word of God?

Sorry, By what you are saying, I do not believe you.

If you did not repent, if you did not call out to Jesus in faith, You are not saved..

Jesus told nicodemus how to be born again, think he got it, why can't you?

 

[Ritajanice]

this imperishable seed

Imperishable seed is vital, without being Born Again of imperishable seed, how would you mature and grow in Christ?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There is no attacking in my words...I gave my opinion just as you do.

Please don’t get personal, this has nothing to do with the topic in hand.

Challenge my posts please and not my personality..thank you.

I have never expressed to know it all.

Rita, Every time you tell someone their doctrine does not line up or go according to the word, you are being personal. Don;t tell me not to get personal. when you do it over and over again.

This is called being a hypocrite.

People are trying to help you know how to have a conversation. If you will not take their guidance, You just keep making thje same mistake over and over,, then you wonder why people get mad.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Imperishable seed is vital, without being Born Again of imperishable seed, how would you mature and grow in Christ?

I was born again of imperishable seed

When I placed my faith in Christ and he saved me.

 

[Ritajanice]

You're changing your theology, min by min.

Let me show you what you are teaching..

Ritajanice said:
"""".you understand the cross = once you have become Born Again"""""


See that? You are teaching that a person "can't see the Cross", can't understand why Jesus died on it, until they have become BORN AGAIN".. = FIRST

= "doctrine of devils".. ."TULIP"... a LIE.

And in Fact, you have to SEE the Cross, you have to understand the Gospel that is the Sacrifice of Jesus... You have to understand this FIRST, so that you can BELIEVE iT BY FAITH, .. and that is Faith in Christ that God accepts to then cause you to become born again.

You do not have to see any cross to be Born Again...Faith is a gift from God, without God given faith you are just leading yourself through the written word.

You need to understand God’s Living word...which you do not teach..as far as I can see.

The Living word is Alive and Active?

When God wants to birth us in his Spirit, it will be done..you never know the time ,the hour, or the place..Spirit gives birth to spirit...why do you leave that out of your doctrine?

 

[Ritajanice]

Rita, Every time you tell someone their doctrine does not line up or go according to the word, you are being personal. Don;t tell me not to get personal. when you do it over and over again.

This is called being a hypocrite.

I have voiced my opinion on your theology...you said that being Born Again of imperishable seed..is looking to the cross....I am picking you up over your doctrine?

People are trying to help you know how to have a conversation. If you will not take their guidance, You just keep making thje same mistake over and over,, then you wonder why people get mad.

Please discuss the topic and challenge my doctrine...discuss the word of God..not petty remarks..I’m not interested in any of that.

I thrive on the Living word of God....not manmade doctrine.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You do not have to see any cross to be Born Again...

There you go people. The cross is meaningless.. We do not even have to know or believe it happened. God will just save us..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I have voiced my opinion on your theology...you said that being Born Again of imperishable seed..is looking to the cross....I am picking you up over your doctrine?

then talk about what I said,don;t tell me what I said is not in the word. Because it is. Jesus own words,

Please discuss the topic and challenge my doctrine...discuss the word of God..not petty remarks..I’m not interested in any of that.

I thrive on the Living word of God....not manmade doctrine.

See there you go again.

You have to repent of this nonsense Rita, This is childish, It in effect saying I need to believe rita;s doctrine or else I do not see the word.

How you can not see what you are doing by what you keep saying is beyond me

 

[Ritajanice]

There you go people. The cross is meaningless.. We do not even have to know or believe it happened. God will just save us..

I never said the cross was meaningless..

I said the cross does not make you Born Again..only the Living Spirit Of God can do that?

The cross was needed..in order that we can by Gods grace and mercy become Born Of The Living Spirit.

 

[Ritajanice]

then talk about what I said,don;t tell me what I said is not in the word. Because it is. Jesus own words,

No idea what you are saying here, please challenge my doctrine?

See there you go again.

You have to repent of this nonsense Rita, This is childish, It in effect saying I need to believe rita;s doctrine or else I do not see the word.

No I never said you need to believe in Rita doctrine....Being Born Of The Spirit is not a doctrine...it is a Living Spiritual rebirth...

How you can not see what you are doing by what you keep saying is beyond me

Please challenge my doctrine?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I never said the cross was meaningless..

I said the cross does not make you Born Again..only the Living Spirit Of God can do that?

Yes you did
By saying that we can be born again apart from the cross.

That in effect makes the cross meaningless. and as I said, it means God just saves you..

 

[Ritajanice]

You have to repent of this nonsense Rita

God has already brought me to repentance before he gave birth to my spirit, Spirit gives birth to spirit.

I have been Born Again of imperishable seed..i don’t sin...the Holy Spirit cannot indwell a sinner,God has forgiven my sins, past, present and future.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No idea what you are saying here, please challenge my doctrine?

more deflection.

No I never said you need to believe in Rita doctrine....Being Born Of The Spirit is not a doctrine...it is a Living Spiritual rebirth...

You do that exact thing when you claim what we believe is not according to the word. Your in effect saying we must listen to you, You are right, we are wrong.

Born of the spirit is a doctrinal truth, and Jesus told us how to be born of the spirit

Please challenge my doctrine?

I have challenged your doctrine for weeks now

But that is not what my comment was about

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes you did
By saying that we can be born again apart from the cross.

That in effect makes the cross meaningless. and as I said, it means God just saves you..

We are Born Again by the Spirit?

We are not Born Again by the cross..please reread my posts?