1stCenturyLady
Well-Known Member
Agreed. But weren't you also taught that repentance was turning away from sin? I sure was. No wonder it didn't work.
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The Holy Spirit does give the new Birth.
But you are teaching that this happens before you have "seen the Cross" or Trusted in Christ by Faith.
You have the "born again" happening............ before the "trusted in Christ".... is given by YOU to GOD.
And that doctrine comes from.. this..
"Total depravity".. T<ulip...... and that doctrine is of the Devil.
No one is Born again, before they have Trusted in Christ., as God requires YOUR FAITH In Christ, be given to Him, before He is going to forgive your sin, and then, He will give you the New Birth.
Salvation is the "Gift" from God, that God gives to the BELIEVER.
God does not do the believing for you......
God requires you to believe , and you free will choses that, AFTER you understand what to believe.
98% of the people on all Christian Forums and that many Denominations teach that same "repent from sin"... nonsense.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
The Holy Spirit gives the Living Spiritual rebirth...before I go any further with you ,as you say you are a teacher...
What is the difference between Gods Living word and His written word?
How do you know that Gods word is Alive in your spirit?...Spirit gives birth to spirit?
Trusting in Christ and giving God your faith is not how we become Born Again ..
Initially believe in Jesus that God brings us to....then there was repentance/ Godly sorrow before initially believing in Jesus....then in the blink of an eye he made us Born Of The Spirit..gifting us his faith , Gods faith not our faith, which is a manifestation of the Spirit just as his word says...our spirit has been reconciled back to God.
Remember Adam and Eve how did they communicate with God before the fall?
How did Jesus communicate with God via His Spirit?
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Regarding Theology, i only Teach Pauline Theology.
Paul's Doctrine.
Jesus is the Living Word. He is "God manifested in the Flesh", virgin born.
The Living word is : "Christ is THAT Spirit" and "God is A Spirit".
= Same.
Jesus is the "word made flesh"
Jesus is the "pre-incarnate" Word..... John 1 says... "the WORD was God"...
Who is that?
A.) """""Let US....make MAN... in Our IMAGE""""/..
See that "us" and "our" ?>>?> = That is God the Father and Jesus the Pre-incarnate= "Word"/
The Bible is the written word.
The Bible is the revealed progressive Revelation regarding What God has done, is doing, and will do in the Future.
Bible Prophecy, is God's Foreknowledge, which is not the same as "pre-destined".
The Bible is God's Spiritual Light, written down by Man, and has to be "spiritually Discerned"
Jesus is the Living Word, who is "Christ IN YOU, the hope of Glory" (Glory is Heaven).
The reason the NT says that the born again are the "Temple of the Holy Spirit" is because "Christ is THAT Spirit" and "if you have not the Spirit of Christ (God) in you, then you are none of God's".
So, the CHRISTian, is the "born again Spirit"..... and to be born again, simply means that the spirit in the person, is now joined to Christ and God, in "Spiritual Union". = 'New creation IN Christ".. having been born again.
And that cannot happen, ... = you cannot be forgiven all your sin and THEN born again..... until you FIRST Give God your OWN FAITH, in Christ.
And you are teaching that you are born again, first.
That is "TULIP">..... doctrine, and that is not of God.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
The Spirit is the Living word of God.
If you don’t have the “ Living “ Spirit Of God in your spirit, then you are none of His.
To be Born Again is exactly how Gods Living word says it is, the Spirit ( Living) testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children/ Born Again, backed up by His written word.
We are forgiven our sin when God brings us to repentance/ Godly sorrow, then initially believing in Jesus ,again God brings us to initially believe in Jesus...then rest I have explained further up.....Faith is a gift from God, Biblical.
That is you opinion.....you cannot believe in your spirit that God exists ..not until your spirit has been Birthed in the Living Holy Spirit....Spirit gives birth to spirit.
That is not TULIP..that is what I have been taught by the Living word of God...I thrive on God’s Living word.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
The Living word is the Spirit of God....His Living word births our spirit into His.....Spirit gives birth to spirit?
The Spirit testifies with the BORN AGAIN Spirit... and that happens after you give YOUR Faith in Christ, to God, and THEN are born again.
"Faith, (yours) is counted by God"... before God will forgive you sin, and THEN God gives you the new Birth (Born again).
You are teaching that a person is born again, first.....NO FAITH YET.......
That is "TOTAL Depravity"......TULIP...........and its a "doctrine of devils." Hebrews 13:0
Ritajanice
Born-Again
The gift of faith is one of nine gifts of the Holy Spirit listed by Paul in 1 Corinthians 12:7-11. Each of these gifts is a supernatural manifestation of the Holy Spirit, who dwells in a believer and operates through him.
Rockerduck
Well-Known Member
Name calling is a source of revenge and pride and meant to degrade someone. Another words a haughty spirit; one of the 7 deadly sins. Jesus said the least shall be the greatest, and greatest shall be the least. Better to be humble. That's all. It is a sin to call names.
Behold, be reasonable. Nothing is impossible for God. Some are chosen by God. These are the ones, like me, that God showed up one night and touched me, I fell on my knees and prayed and received the Holy Spirit powerfully, I'd never read the bible it was foreign to me. All I knew were drugs and playing rock guitar in bands. You won't believe it because it didn't happen to you. That's okay, but God does have His chosen ones.
That is a specific ministry gift, as all of them are..
Each BELIEVER< has a gift on that List...
You get it AFTER you are born again...
You dont get a Spiritual Gift that is given to the born again..........if you are not born again yet.
An unbeliever is not given a Spiritual Gift..... as .that is only given to the = Body of Christ.
NOTICE that Paul is writing to the BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS..
Understand?
= "Corinthian CHRISTians"... not unbelievers... @Ritajanice
A.) You dont receive a Spiritual Gift that is given to the BODY OF CHIRST........ per person, when you are not born again into the Body of Christ yet.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Nope..Faith is a gift from God..
There is NO faith without God gifting it to us...he brings us to initially believe in Jesus.....God brought me to believe initially in Jesus.....I was not able to believe in Jesus, not until my spirit was birthed, then I knew in my spirit that Jesus was the Son Of God....only the Spirit can witness that to your spirit, when he made us Born Again...his Spirit gave birth to our spirit...hence the spiritual rebirth and communication with God through our spirit...we communicate with God in spirit.
That is your understanding of my posts....because you don’t understand them....therefore they must be John Calvin doctrine of Devils posts....LOL.
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
In Jesus Name ,Amen!!
And his chosen ones give him all the Honour ,Glory and Praise.
Unfortunately the carnal mind has no understanding of spiritual matters....
Says Calvin and the TULIP doctrine.
Paul is not that, and the NT is not that, doctrine.
And you just tried to prove that Spiritual Gifts given to CHRISTIANS, is.> God doing this for an unbeliever.
Rockerduck
Well-Known Member
Another Calvinist needs to stand up and be counted.
Congrats @Rockerduck
God is not A Calvinist.
God does not Choose some for hell and others for Salvation., according to "Tulip Theology", and John Calvin's Doctrine of the Devil
However, Some are chosen by God to be "pastors, teachers, prophets, evangelists, and Apostles"
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Ritajanice
Born-Again
John 15:16
King James Version
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
If God caused you to have faith in Christ, He would not require you to believe In Him ., as there would be no need for the requirement that you "BELIEVE".
Now, within everyone is the capacity to believe, as that is a "measure of Faith."
All have it.
Even right now unbelievers believe in something..... but that is wrong faith... but its still faith, and God didnt make them believe wrong,, and God does not make them believe right..
He allows us all to believe and this is why preachers preach, and teachers teach. We are giving you the TRUTH To Believe in....
Its why the world of unbelievers are always being led (drawn by The Cross and the Holy Spirit) into RIGHT FAITH, that God will accept.
See.. .and listen now.. Readers...
An Atheist has FAITH.... just like a Believer has Faith.
The Atheist BELIEVES there is NO GOD and No Salvation needed, as that is their FAITH, and God can't accept that Faith.
BECAUSE..."all who come to GOD must BELIEVE THAT HE EXISTS">... = Hebrews 11:6
whereas....
The Believer's FAITH is IN CHRIST, and God accepts THAT Faith, the very moment it's in your heart.
See it?
Both have a "measure of Faith" but the Believer's Faith, is the Faith that God accepts.
Here is another way to see it, Reader.
Cain and Abel both went to God, but Cain was rejected because he did it the wrong way.
BOTH BELIEVED in GOD...
See it?
Both had FAITH, but God has a WAY you must believe, that you must come to Him... and in the NT, .. .TODAY>.. = JESUS IS THE WAY....The Cross of Christ.
John 14:6
Now, within everyone is the capacity to believe, as that is a "measure of Faith."
All have it.
Even right now unbelievers believe in something..... but that is wrong faith... but its still faith, and God didnt make them believe wrong,, and God does not make them believe right..
He allows us all to believe and this is why preachers preach, and teachers teach. We are giving you the TRUTH To Believe in....
Its why the world of unbelievers are always being led (drawn by The Cross and the Holy Spirit) into RIGHT FAITH, that God will accept.
See.. .and listen now.. Readers...
An Atheist has FAITH.... just like a Believer has Faith.
The Atheist BELIEVES there is NO GOD and No Salvation needed, as that is their FAITH, and God can't accept that Faith.
BECAUSE..."all who come to GOD must BELIEVE THAT HE EXISTS">... = Hebrews 11:6
whereas....
The Believer's FAITH is IN CHRIST, and God accepts THAT Faith, the very moment it's in your heart.
See it?
Both have a "measure of Faith" but the Believer's Faith, is the Faith that God accepts.
Here is another way to see it, Reader.
Cain and Abel both went to God, but Cain was rejected because he did it the wrong way.
BOTH BELIEVED in GOD...
See it?
Both had FAITH, but God has a WAY you must believe, that you must come to Him... and in the NT, .. .TODAY>.. = JESUS IS THE WAY....The Cross of Christ.
John 14:6
Ritajanice
Born-Again
You get the gift of Faith as you are being Born Again, Faith ( God given) manifests itself in our spirit, we are given spiritual eyes and ears, that the Spirit in us helps us develop them..so we hear and see in the Spirit and by his teachings....we are taught by the Living word of God via His Spirit.... then we check it out with his written word, which will never contradict His Living word....we communicate with God in our spirit as we are his spiritual children.
We receive the gift of Faith from God which manifests in our spirit as we are being Born Again......how else would we know we are Born Again if not by the Living word of God.
The gift of Faith from God is gifted to His child after repentance/ Godly sorrow, then initially being brought to believe in Jesus...which I’ve already explained many times.
Already explained this.
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