God gave all the kingdoms to him, and made him the "king of kings", well before his conversion. Clearly he was not being subjected to the Covenant Law.
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Why its important to keep the Sabbath
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David in NJ
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Actually, my Brother, the Sabbath Rest is Commanded by God = John 3:16-18 , Matthew 11:28 , Hebrews ch4
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God
Then Jesus said, “Come to me, all of you who are weary and carry heavy burdens, and I will give you rest."
Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
For indeed the Gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
For we who have believed (the Gospel) do enter that Rest, as He has said:
“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
@BarneyFife @Brakelite @Phoneman777
Do you BELIEVE the LORD Jesus that HE alone gives us REST???
Colossians 2:16
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
Festivals, new moons, and Sabbaths. Each it's own thing.
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Grailhunter
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People have a tendency to label things. Trinity and the word fornication and original sin are good examples, people make up words or slogan and insinuate that they are biblical and they not. These words do not appear in the actual scriptures.
The Ten Commandments that God called the Ten Commandments are important and were part of the Covenant and wrote on the tablets….yet most Christians do not know them or care.
Out of the book of Exodus the Ten Commandments are mentioned 2 times Deuteronomy 4:13 and Deuteronomy 10:4 Both reference the Commandments that are part of the Covenant and are wrote on the Tablets…. Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” Exodus 34:27 They are not the ten summaries mentioned in chapter 20
Yes they are there, learn the real Ten Commandments. In college we went over how false beliefs and false understandings start and why they last so long and how people embrace and hold them over and above all other Christian beliefs. There are different opinions on why people are drawn to false beliefs. But if you talk to someone that only knows a little about the Bible….they may not know about the scriptures, but they will have the false beliefs memorized. False beliefs have done a lot of harm to Christianity that is why my ministry addresses them.
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Ziggy
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Exo 20:12
Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Exo 21:15
And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
Exo 21:17
And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
Deu 5:16
Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Pro 28:24
Whoso robbeth his father or his mother, and saith, It is no transgression; the same is the companion of a destroyer.
Pro 30:11
There is a generation that curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother.
Mar 7:6
He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mar 7:7
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar 7:8
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mar 7:9
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Mar 7:10
For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
Mar 7:11
But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
Mar 7:12
And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
Mar 7:13
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
The Heart of Man
Mar 7:14And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
Mar 7:15
There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
Mar 7:16
If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
Mar 7:17
And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
Mar 7:18
And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Mar 7:19
Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
Mar 7:20
And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
Mar 7:21
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22
Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23
All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
There are thirteen things listed above that are evil which comes from the heart of man.
How would you apply the Sabbath to this?
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David in NJ
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BarneyFife
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I have no idea what you're talking about about. Law never saved anyone, anyway.
Why is it that the folks who preach this most prominently don't seem to get it?
Do you believe that people were saved before Christ ratified the New Covenant with His blood by keeping laws?
The only covenant that ever saved/saves is the New/Everlasting Covenant.
However:
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. (Exodus 12:49)
God's intention was for Israel to spread His government to the world.
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I'm saying the Law included blessings and cursings. If they obeyed, they were blessed. If they disobeyed, they were cursed. This was not applied to the Gentile king. God blessed him regardless of his not keeping the covenant God made with Israel that we call the Law and the Prophets.
I don't know. It seems so clear in the Bible.
I don't know what you are asking me here.
I believe that many who lived before Christ, and the new covenant, will be there with God and the redeemed in the end.
Rather, that all nations would come to the light seen in Israel. "the stranger that sojourns among you." That they would proselytize.
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Grailhunter
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Ark of the Covenant | Hebrews, Tabernacle, Exodus | Britannica
Ark of the Covenant, in Judaism and Christianity, the ornate, gold-plated wooden chest that in biblical times housed the two tablets of the Law given to Moses by God. The Ark rested in the Holy of Holies inside the Tabernacle of the ancient Temple of Jerusalem and was seen only by the high priest
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Ziggy
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By a change of heart.
We don't murder because we love our enemies.
We don't steal because we love our neighbor,
We don't create idols that come between us and God, because we love him with all our heart and mind and soul, and nothing comes between that.
We don't commit adultery because we love our spouse.
We don't commit fornication because we love and respect our own body.
We don't lie because we love the truth.
We don't covet other peoples things because God has provided us with everything we need.
We honor our father and mother out of love and respect.
We keep the sabbath by keeping evil thoughts out of our hearts and minds.And keeping our hearts pure and untainted by the world.
And if there are any other laws they are fulfilled by Loving God with all your heart and mind and soul.
And loving your neighbor as yourself.
By walking in Love you fulfill the law which condemns Hate.
We condemn hate in our hearts with Love.
Thus fulfilling the whole law.
We are dead to the law because we can not be condemned by it, because we don't walk contrary to God.
The law is for the unrighteous and sinners who do not walk according to God's ways.
If we walk in God's righteousness and not our own righteousness, then there is no law in which to condemn us.
We are no longer under the law but under the Grace of God.
And Grace is mercy and forgiveness. For if we do sin a sin that is according to the law, then we have an advocate for us in heaven. And if we confess our sin and come to the light, God is merciful and forgiving.
This is not a license to sin. The conviction in one's heart that leads them to confession should be enough for that one to not do that again.
In other words. Learn from our mistakes. And Repent from doing them again. Go, and sin no more. Be Sorry.
If one continues in that sin and has not been convicted in their heart and does not repent and turn from it,
God will judge them according to the law and not by Grace, because he has made grace of none effect.
So the law is righteous and good to those who sin. Because it shows them their sin in NEON LIGHTS.
And when they know it, they should turn from it and repent from doing it.
But the law is not for the righteous because they keep it in their heart and are not condemned for breaking it.
And frankly we can't keep it perfectly, only the spirit of God in us can. And that is why Jesus came to be the mediator between man and God.
Jesus is our defence attorney and Satan (the world) is the prosecuter.
And greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
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David in NJ
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Ark of the Covenant | Hebrews, Tabernacle, Exodus | Britannica
Ark of the Covenant, in Judaism and Christianity, the ornate, gold-plated wooden chest that in biblical times housed the two tablets of the Law given to Moses by God. The Ark rested in the Holy of Holies inside the Tabernacle of the ancient Temple of Jerusalem and was seen only by the high priest
Correct = The TEN Commandments were placed INSIDE the ARK of the Covenant
Two questions:
a.) Do you think that ARK is related(spiritually) to the ARK that Noah was Rescued in?
b.) What was on Top of the Ark that Moses built?
David in NJ
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I have no idea what you're talking about about. Law never saved anyone, anyway.
Why is it that the folks who preach this most prominently don't seem to get it?
Do you believe that people were saved before Christ ratified the New Covenant with His blood by keeping laws?
The only covenant that ever saved/saves is the New/Everlasting Covenant.
However:
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. (Exodus 12:49)
God's intention was for Israel to spread His government to the world.
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100% TRUTH
@marks , i was going to share this with you but my Brother Barney wonderfully displayed this Truth.
David in NJ
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100% TRUTH
How is possible that JESUS can stand in the Gap against satan when he accuses the brethren?
2 Corinthians 5:21
"For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."
The Eternal LEGAL Contract between God and Satan was always about 'One Man'.
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
The law came in so that the trespass would increase; but where sin increased, grace increased all the more,
so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness
to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Where is the sabbath?
Why no mention of sabbath?
How can it be that the LORD Jesus Christ and the Apostles forgot to remind us to keep saturday sabbath?
Yes, God's intent was that the gentiles would come into Israel, proselytizing to become part of the nation, by submitting to God's covenant with His chosen nation.
I'll mention to you the same as I mentioned to him, as an example, King Nebuchadnezzar was blessed by God not in keeping with His covenant with Israel. The covenant was NOT imposed on anyone except Israel.
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David in NJ
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David in NJ
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Now my Brother @marks,
Since we both can SEE and AGREE with the WORD on this important aspect, i want you to SEE even more!
Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
And to whom was this written? Whose house? Israel and Judah? Those He brought out of Egypt?
Hear the Word of the LORD.
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David in NJ
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OK - Great questions my Brother in Christ AND the answers have already been Given to us.
GOSPEL
He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Hebrews 3:1-6 = KEY verse is #6
Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus, who was faithful to Him who appointed Him, as Moses also was faithful in all His house. For this One has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who built the house has more honor than the house.
For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God. And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward,
Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.
Love you @Mark and @BarneyFife and @Brakelite
