Why its important to keep the Sabbath

[marks]

I don't think you have enough body bags to execute gays, adulterers and THOSE WHO WORK WEEKENDS COMMANDED by God! Or maybe you choose to ignore the parts you don't like?

That's a good point. Failure to execute the lawbreaker when specified is lawbreaking itself. So it's one more way none of us keep the Law.

Much love!

 

[Jack]

That's a good point. Failure to execute the lawbreaker when specified is lawbreaking itself. So it's one more way none of us keep the Law.

Much love!

Thank God for Paul's warnings in Galatians!

Galatians 3:10-12
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them." 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith." 12 Yet the law is not of faith, ...

 

[BarneyFife]

What is the assumption you perceive me to be making?

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Passions, nominative, names it. OF the sins, genetive, it belongs to Passions. The ones, again, nominative, Thru the law, genetive, belongs with the "the ones".

These particular passions that are named are of sin, and are through the law. The ones, and passions share the same gender/number form, so passions is the correct antecedant to "the ones".

To me, this passage seems pretty clear and straightforward.

How is it we are dead to the Law? We've left the kind of life that is governed by the Law, and entered a new kind of life that is governed personally by Jesus.

Much love

Greek surface reading?

All things are governed by law. Am I to assume, then, that you're opposed to the law of Christ?

As an appeal to authority, well, there are many authorities, and many in error. I'm more interested in the Bible sayings themselves. Convenient? OK. For whom? I'm not really interested in convenience, more so for truth.

Much love!

Theologically convenient/confirmation bias

If the shoe doesn't fit, then by all means, don't wear it but let's hope you're not strengthening the hands of others for whom it's appropriate.

False equivalency. Being dead to the Law does not equal liberty to sin. We actually have less liberty to sin, as we are under an higher standard.

Much love!

More of a straw man, I'd say, but it's not mine—it's Graham's—and it's not the point.

After Jesus came, now, keeping the Mosaic Law is like, their car is paid off, AND you now have a brand new fully paid for car in YOUR driveway. And you keep sending your neighbor's bank a check every month.

Much love!

I thought you were interested mostly in Bible sayings.

Let's see if it happens with Billy Graham. If the referenced passage makes the same statement as he says.



Romans 10:8-10 KJV
8) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Where in this passage are we told the Law applies to the Christian? I'm not seeing that. Can you explain this?

Much love!

You're capitalizing on what is obviously a typo? Really?

Would you like me to trot out 10 other verses that say what he was referring to?

Should I get it proofread by an editor and notarized?

What are we doing here?

(Isn't this lively and spirited fun??!!!)


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[BarneyFife]

That's a good point. Failure to execute the lawbreaker when specified is lawbreaking itself. So it's one more way none of us keep the Law.

It's only a good point if you fully equate civil law with morality.


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[BarneyFife]

Thank God for Paul's warnings in Galatians!

Galatians 3:10-12
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them." 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith." 12 Yet the law is not of faith, ...

The context of which clearly is the subject of justification by works—which no one here is advocating.


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[marks]

It's only a good point if you fully equate civil law with morality.


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Isn't it moral to obey God? Again, James makes it very clear the question isn't whether or not you've murdered, or committed adultery, the question is, have you broken the Law? And if you have, that makes you a lawbreaker.

Much love!

 

[BarneyFife]

Round and round it goes—where it stops, nobody knows.

 

[Jack]

The context of which clearly is the subject of justification by works—which no one here is advocating.


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The "context" is clearly referring to those preaching the Law of Moses.

Galatians 5:1-4
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

IOW, Hell fire!

 

[marks]

Greek surface reading?

Greek surface reading? I'm reading the Bible, and this is what it says. If you disagree with what I've said, be specific, and show the correct meaning.

All things are governed by law. Am I to assume, then, that you're opposed to the law of Christ?

Why would you assume that?

We've become dead to the Law to serve Christ personally. Isn't that the "law of Christ"?

Theologically convenient/confirmation bias

If the shoe doesn't fit, then by all means, don't wear it but let's hope you're not strengthening the hands of others for whom it's appropriate.

I'm not sure what you mean here, just to say, let's look at what the Bible says.

More of a straw man, I'd say, but it's not mine—it's Graham's—and it's not the point.

How so? He made the statement in the form of an equivalency, I disagree.

I thought you were interested mostly in Bible sayings.

So I can't use an analogy to show my understanding? OK.

You're capitalizing on what is obviously a typo? Really?

Is it? I was going from what you presented. It didn't turn out.

Would you like me to trot out 10 other verses that say what he was referring to?

Feel free to do so, and I'll be happy to look at them.

Should I get it proofread by an editor and notarized?

What are we doing here?

(Isn't this lively and spirited fun??!!!)


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I always proofread my posts, or at least I try to.

What are we doing? Ping-pong, I think!

:)

Much love!

 

[Behold]

4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

One of the beautiful mysteries of Christianity, is that many are fallen from Grace, yet they are still, "not under the Law, but under Grace".

Welcome To :Salvation.

Its a "GIFT".

 

[BarneyFife]

Isn't it moral to obey God? Again, James makes it very clear the question isn't whether or not your murdered, or committed adultery, the question is, have you broken the Law? And if you have, that makes you a lawbreaker.

Much love!

You're just doubling down on your position that law is law—from spitting on the municipal sidewalk to mass genocide/international crimes against humanity.

And I'm a non-subscriber to that kind of nonsense.

The death penalty laws of a 2 million-person camp of ex-slave barbarians under the stewardship rule of a man who talked face to face with God are not applicable to God's people spread all over the world.

Jesus understands this, which is partly why we have the Gospels' record of His dealing with these penalties the way He did.


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[marks]

You're just doubling down on your position that law is law—from spitting on the municipal sidewalk to mass genocide/international crimes against humanity.

And I'm a non-subscriber to that kind of nonsense.

No, this has nothing to do with spitting on the sidewalk, or other laws of man. The Law given to Israel at Mt. Horeb, that details God's covenant with Israel.

James 2:10-11 KJV
10) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11) For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

The whole law . . . what does that mean?

Under their covenant, how much obedience was required?

Exodus 19:3-8 KJV
3) And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;
4) Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
5) Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6) And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
7) And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
8) And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

Much love!

 

[marks]

The death penalty laws of a 2 million-person camp of ex-slave barbarians under the stewardship rule of a man who talked face to face with God are not applicable to God's people spread all over the world.

I agree! It was applicable to them. Along with all the rest.

Did you notice how God blessed King Nebuchadnezzar? Did you notice how he didn't observe any of the Torah? Ever wonder about that?

Much love!

 

[Jack]

Psalm 147:19-20
19 He declares His word to Jacob, His statutes and His judgments to Israel.
20 He has not dealt thus with any nation; And as for His judgments, they have not known them. Praise the LORD!

 

[BarneyFife]

No, this has nothing to do with spitting on the sidewalk, or other laws of man. The Law given to Israel at Mt. Horeb, that details God's covenant with Israel.

James 2:10-11 KJV
10) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11) For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

The whole law . . . what does that mean?

Under their covenant, how much obedience was required?

Exodus 19:3-8 KJV
3) And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;
4) Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
5) Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6) And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
7) And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
8) And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

Much love!

Well, I can't type very fast, and I gotta go do stuff, so I quit...

But I woulda winned!!


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[Brakelite]

How many times must I quote it? lol

Colossians 2:16
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,

That does not say, "there is no Sabbath in the NT". It is saying that one ought not judge others who are observing Sabbath. Nor is it talking about the weekly Sabbath. Paul is talking about the annual feast day Sabbaths that were shadows. The weekly Sabbath is not nor ever was, a shadow.

 

[BarneyFife]

Did you notice how God blessed King Nebuchadnezzar? Did you notice how he didn't observe any of the Torah? Ever wonder about that?

Not much. He appeared to have a conversion experience, which would have caused him to begin living up to all the light he had. That's all anyone needs to do—ever.

Christ is our righteousness. Our best law-keeping efforts can't save us—ever.


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[BarneyFife]

That does not say, "there is no Sabbath in the NT". It is saying that one ought not judge others who are observing Sabbath. Nor is it talking about the weekly Sabbath. Paul is talking about the annual feast day Sabbaths that were shadows. The weekly Sabbath is not nor ever was, a shadow.

And it's Brakelite for the hand-off!


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[Jack]

That does not say, "there is no Sabbath in the NT".

Yes it does CLEARLY!

It is saying that one ought not judge others who are observing Sabbath.

The Sabbath COMMANDS were not requests. They were life and DEATH COMMANDS!

Nor is it talking about the weekly Sabbath. Paul is talking about the annual feast day Sabbaths that were shadows. The weekly Sabbath is not nor ever was, a shadow.

So why don't you obey the Sabbath COMMANDS???

Exodus 31:15 Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death.

Oh, you don't like that part?

 

[David in NJ]

Fact checker service…

All TEN Commandments are in the New Covenant = Matthew 19:16-21.....that would be False! The Commandments that outline basic morality are reiterated in the New Testament. They do not include the issue with engraved images. Thou shalt not have any other gods before me….Yahweh God #1 Yeshua God #2 Holy Spirit God #3 Then Matthew 19:16-21 sneaks one in…love your neighbor as yourself.’

@Grailhunter = Please take another LOOK , for all TEN Commandments are there = in PERSON.