BarneyFife
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Well, judging from your flippant ("lol") attitude, I'd say:
As many times as it takes to keep yourself and other Sabbath objectors convinced that it's relevant to the 4th commandment issue, I guess?
Why its important to keep the Sabbath
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Well, judging from your flippant ("lol") attitude, I'd say:
As many times as it takes to keep yourself and other Sabbath objectors convinced that it's relevant to the 4th commandment issue, I guess?
Sabbath COMMANDS were ONLY for Israel. NOBODY else. Do you obey the Sabbath COMMANDS or do you make up your own? Jesus' disciples worked on the Sabbath and Jesus was with them. Why didn't Jesus have them stoned to death as the Law COMMANDS! Do you ever use LOL?
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Ziggy
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Who is Paul speaking to in Colossians?
Is it a mixed crowd of Jews and Gentiles or Jews only or Gentiles only?
Col 1:2
To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
It sounds pretty general to me, I may be wrong, somebody knows.
Point being made is let no one judge who? Jews only? Gentiles only?
There were alot of different religions going on at the time.
So let's take Christmas or Easter or Even the 4th of July, or even Thanksgiving..
Doesn't specifically says who's festivals or new moons or sabbaths.
Doesn't specifically say the seventh day or the first day or whatever day does it?
But I believe what Paul is saying is that whatever you do and whenever you do it, do it for the glory of the One True God.
Not the Queen of Heaven or Dianna, or whatever name they was naming names.
Because there are no other Gods but the One God Almighty.
So whatever you do and when you do it, it is for His Glory we do it.
You want to keep Easter. Keep it to the Lord. You want to keep the feast of tabernacles, keep it to the Lord, You want to keep Kwanza, keep it to the Lord, or any other such nonsense we make up for ourselves to give us a day off from our labors, Keep it to the Lord.
What business is it of yours with what other people do with their own.
They will have to answer to God just like I will.
I honestly don't know if I could count how many reasons there are for divisions just to keep people from coming together to find peace with God and with each other.
Let me count the ways....
nevermind..
I been invited to Christmas dinner, Easter breakfast, Thanksgiving dinners in the past.
And even though I don't "keep" those holidays or any holidays or even birthdays anymore..
Sometimes I go because I don't want to be rude to the inviter. Maybe I'm the only one they know to invite.
So I rather enjoy the day with them then to have them be alone.
It's NOT ABOUT YOU.
It's about what we can do for others.
People say they been born again have no idea what they left behind and are walking in the new.
They keeping the old traditions that are gone by. You are dead to them if you are buried and risen again with Christ.
Show me a dead person that keeps anything.
But if you are alive with Christ, that alone is your sole possession and you alone are his sole possesion.
You love him and he loves you. And then you take that love, that gift, that possesion and share it with others.
If they are still bound to this earth by earthy things and distractions all you can do is show them the love that God has shown you and pray they see and listen and want to follow too.
If you judge others you will be judged.
Oh, look at you, you kept Christmas this year, how wonderful. And you gave gifts, that's nice.
But what was your focus on? Were you keeping it for my sake or because you feel pressured by the world because everyone is doing it?
Oh, you gave gifts to family and friends, that's nice. How about the guy with no family down the street, did you invite him to dinner of give anything of yourself to him?
It's not about the day and what you can get out of it, it's about the day and what you put into it for God and your neighbors.
There's a solar eclipse coming in a couple weeks. Lots of people doing some weird celebration and having tailgate parties and such.
If people actually took the time to ponder and consider the works of Gods hands and the universe he created. It might be worth looking into. But just to hang out and stuff faces to avoid thinking about anything worthwhile.
I'll pass thanks.
And that's what's happened to the world today. Nobody thinks about God, they just think about themselves.
But to judge them.. that's God's job.
Your job is just to show them the love of God in you.
They don't see and they don't hear, that's not your problem. You witnessed. And that's all God asks from us.
To be a living breathing testimony to the world concerning how his life works in ours.
Be an epistle.
Hugs
David in NJ
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If the Sabbath is not part of the New Covenant , why are you "forcefully urging" it upon Blood Washed Saints?
Unless, of course, you are following a religion that is not warranted under the Gospel.
INDEED, The Sabbath is Required for Salvation = "Come to ME and I will give you REST"
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, [a]not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:
“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
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David in NJ
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All TEN Commandments are in the New Covenant = Matthew 19:16-21
Count the Commandments
Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”
Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
Are you saying Col isn't for all Christians?Who is Paul speaking to in Colossians?
Is it a mixed crowd of Jews and Gentiles or Jews only or Gentiles only?
Col 1:2
To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
It sounds pretty general to me, I may be wrong, somebody knows.
Point being made is let no one judge who? Jews only? Gentiles only?
There were alot of different religions going on at the time.
So let's take Christmas or Easter or Even the 4th of July, or even Thanksgiving..
Doesn't specifically says who's festivals or new moons or sabbaths.
Doesn't specifically say the seventh day or the first day or whatever day does it?
But I believe what Paul is saying is that whatever you do and whenever you do it, do it for the glory of the One True God.
Not the Queen of Heaven or Dianna, or whatever name they was naming names.
Because there are no other Gods but the One God Almighty.
So whatever you do and when you do it, it is for His Glory we do it.
You want to keep Easter. Keep it to the Lord. You want to keep the feast of tabernacles, keep it to the Lord, You want to keep Kwanza, keep it to the Lord, or any other such nonsense we make up for ourselves to give us a day off from our labors, Keep it to the Lord.
What business is it of yours with what other people do with their own.
They will have to answer to God just like I will.
I honestly don't know if I could count how many reasons there are for divisions just to keep people from coming together to find peace with God and with each other.
Let me count the ways....
nevermind..
I been invited to Christmas dinner, Easter breakfast, Thanksgiving dinners in the past.
And even though I don't "keep" those holidays or any holidays or even birthdays anymore..
Sometimes I go because I don't want to be rude to the inviter. Maybe I'm the only one they know to invite.
So I rather enjoy the day with them then to have them be alone.
It's NOT ABOUT YOU.
It's about what we can do for others.
People say they been born again have no idea what they left behind and are walking in the new.
They keeping the old traditions that are gone by. You are dead to them if you are buried and risen again with Christ.
Show me a dead person that keeps anything.
But if you are alive with Christ, that alone is your sole possession and you alone are his sole possesion.
You love him and he loves you. And then you take that love, that gift, that possesion and share it with others.
If they are still bound to this earth by earthy things and distractions all you can do is show them the love that God has shown you and pray they see and listen and want to follow too.
If you judge others you will be judged.
Oh, look at you, you kept Christmas this year, how wonderful. And you gave gifts, that's nice.
But what was your focus on? Were you keeping it for my sake or because you feel pressured by the world because everyone is doing it?
Oh, you gave gifts to family and friends, that's nice. How about the guy with no family down the street, did you invite him to dinner of give anything of yourself to him?
It's not about the day and what you can get out of it, it's about the day and what you put into it for God and your neighbors.
There's a solar eclipse coming in a couple weeks. Lots of people doing some weird celebration and having tailgate parties and such.
If people actually took the time to ponder and consider the works of Gods hands and the universe he created. It might be worth looking into. But just to hang out and stuff faces to avoid thinking about anything worthwhile.
I'll pass thanks.
And that's what's happened to the world today. Nobody thinks about God, they just think about themselves.
But to judge them.. that's God's job.
Your job is just to show them the love of God in you.
They don't see and they don't hear, that's not your problem. You witnessed. And that's all God asks from us.
To be a living breathing testimony to the world concerning how his life works in ours.
Be an epistle.
Hugs
Ziggy
Well-Known Member
Don't hate, don't lust, don't covet, don't lie, be respectful.
All these are in the heart. They are written there. We know these things are wrong to DO.
But we're not even supposed to contemplate them in our heart or mind. Don't even think about it.
It's spiritual aplication begins in the heart before it ever manifests in the flesh.
Nip it in the bud so to speak.
So is the same with all the commandments, even the fourth one.
First love God with all your heart, mind and might.
Don't let anything come between you. Don't look to other things to provide for your joy, happiness, health, guidance.
Focus on God alone as your sole provider. And then pass that love onto others.
Even traditions can become idols. It was by tradition the the people in the wilderness began to bow down and worship the serpent Moses crafted on the pole. It had to be destroyed because the people worshipped the idol and not the creator that spared them from snakebite.
Look at what has happened to Christmas. It used to be celebrated for the birth of the Saviour.
Now we worship Christmas and it has become nothing but commercialism, and a few days off from work.
More stress in Christmas today and the financial worries that follow are an abomination.
Someday Christmas needs either a new face lift or it will have to go as well. It is vanity.
God gave Israel signs to show them the plan of salvation and redemption. These feasts if kept according to God's word, would point directly to the Son he sent as the Messiah.
The Messiah has come, he died, he rose again, we are redeemed, we are saved, we are forgiven.
Those signs have come to pass and they are finished and have all been fulfilled by the work of Jesus that he did while he was here on earth.
There are no new signs today to show us things to come because we have it all.
All we need do is walk in the day, believe we have recieved, accept the invitation and drink freely of the living water, rest under the fig tree and find peace and joy in the Lord.
Now if you want to keep those things that are gone by and in the past as a memorial like Pearl harbor or 9/11 by all means keep it.
But there is no profit for keeping them other than to remember what has happened in the past to try and prevent it from happening again in the future.
And basically that is what the OT is. It's a warning. This is how it was done, these are the consequences, there is a better way, so do it.
The NT is now our new warning. We too will be folded up like an old scroll and put in the fire. When all is said and done, all things we be vanity in this earth. The only thing which remains is Who is in your heart and in your mind, and your love you had for your fellow man.
Nothing else matters.
Hugs
All these are in the heart. They are written there. We know these things are wrong to DO.
But we're not even supposed to contemplate them in our heart or mind. Don't even think about it.
It's spiritual aplication begins in the heart before it ever manifests in the flesh.
Nip it in the bud so to speak.
So is the same with all the commandments, even the fourth one.
First love God with all your heart, mind and might.
Don't let anything come between you. Don't look to other things to provide for your joy, happiness, health, guidance.
Focus on God alone as your sole provider. And then pass that love onto others.
Even traditions can become idols. It was by tradition the the people in the wilderness began to bow down and worship the serpent Moses crafted on the pole. It had to be destroyed because the people worshipped the idol and not the creator that spared them from snakebite.
Look at what has happened to Christmas. It used to be celebrated for the birth of the Saviour.
Now we worship Christmas and it has become nothing but commercialism, and a few days off from work.
More stress in Christmas today and the financial worries that follow are an abomination.
Someday Christmas needs either a new face lift or it will have to go as well. It is vanity.
God gave Israel signs to show them the plan of salvation and redemption. These feasts if kept according to God's word, would point directly to the Son he sent as the Messiah.
The Messiah has come, he died, he rose again, we are redeemed, we are saved, we are forgiven.
Those signs have come to pass and they are finished and have all been fulfilled by the work of Jesus that he did while he was here on earth.
There are no new signs today to show us things to come because we have it all.
All we need do is walk in the day, believe we have recieved, accept the invitation and drink freely of the living water, rest under the fig tree and find peace and joy in the Lord.
Now if you want to keep those things that are gone by and in the past as a memorial like Pearl harbor or 9/11 by all means keep it.
But there is no profit for keeping them other than to remember what has happened in the past to try and prevent it from happening again in the future.
And basically that is what the OT is. It's a warning. This is how it was done, these are the consequences, there is a better way, so do it.
The NT is now our new warning. We too will be folded up like an old scroll and put in the fire. When all is said and done, all things we be vanity in this earth. The only thing which remains is Who is in your heart and in your mind, and your love you had for your fellow man.
Nothing else matters.
Hugs
Ziggy
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David in NJ
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For this SAME reason, God fulfilled the saturday sabbath in Himself and took the requirement(Exodus 31:12-17) away when HE nailed it to the Cross.
BarneyFife
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Endless trumpeting of this doesn't make it true, Jack. But if you're going for the "Goebbels" effect, there's lots of evidence from early to mid-20th-century German history that you could enjoy substantial success.
I obey the ones that are eternal, but not the ones that became obsolescent and eventually obsolete with Israel's rejection of the Theocracy in favor of a human monarchy.
See above. Oh, and you could always just read what He said about that v-e-r-y carefully.
Not in association with Scripture, no.
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David in NJ
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BarneyFife
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By the way, by the logic you're advancing here, we should probably give the green light to adultery as well, seeing as Christ opposed having that gal in John, ch. 8 stoned to death.
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Grailhunter
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Fact checker service…
All TEN Commandments are in the New Covenant = Matthew 19:16-21.....that would be False! The Commandments that outline basic morality are reiterated in the New Testament. They do not include the issue with engraved images. Thou shalt not have any other gods before me….Yahweh God #1 Yeshua God #2 Holy Spirit God #3 Then Matthew 19:16-21 sneaks one in…love your neighbor as yourself.’
John 3:17 KJV
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
This is why.
Much love!
No Sabbath COMMANDS? Of course not! There are none for Christians.
Actually it's because Christians are not under the Law, period! We have the New Covenant paid for by the Blood of Jesus.
I'm saying this is why Jesus did not call for the stoning of anyone.
As Gentiles, we never were under the Law, which was a covenant between God and Israel.
Keeping the Mosaic Law, as a gentile, is like, your neighbor bought a car on terms, and makes a monthly payment. He pays the payment, he keeps the car. So you, though you are not a party to that contract, decide that you should be doing the same thing, so you start sending a check to the bank every month just like your neighbor.
Much love!
Thanks for explaining! Very good explanation! I have never known of anyone who obeys the Law. But some love to preach it!
Grailhunter
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Now an interesting point, the Catholic Church dabbled with the Jewish-Christian thing kind of off and on.... The Synod of Elvira (306 AD - 312 AD) "prohibited the exhibition of images in churches" and then between about 726 and 787, the Second Iconoclasm occurred between 814 and 842. Banning different images like statues, the cross in some forms, paintings and such.
The Church realized that a lot of their congregations were not paying any attention to them or were leaving the Church. So then at The Council of Trent 1545-1563 the council noted that “images of Christ, of the Virgin Mother of God, and of the other saints, are to be had and retained particularly in churches, and that due honor and veneration are to be given them;….which in effect dropped the issue with images.
The Church realized that a lot of their congregations were not paying any attention to them or were leaving the Church. So then at The Council of Trent 1545-1563 the council noted that “images of Christ, of the Virgin Mother of God, and of the other saints, are to be had and retained particularly in churches, and that due honor and veneration are to be given them;….which in effect dropped the issue with images.
