What Is "Predestination"? How Does It Shape Your Daily Life?

[Eternally Grateful]

The issue I raised isn't about whose fault it is. The issue is: Is it a just sentence to eternally torture some one for a foolish decision?

the fault is on the person who did not believe until they died.

I am not sure where this eternal torture comes from. Being separated from God in itself is torture.. God did not do it. He paid for their sin, They did it to themselves

 

[Ritajanice]

I am not the one falsely accusing you of saying something you did not say.

When someone says over and over they have a spirit. then you come at them and accuse them of saying they did not have a spirit. Your bearing false witness

You have a choice. You can confess your error and your sin. Or you can continue to act like this.

You want to continue this nonsense?

You!!!...read what “ YOU”believe I was saying into my posts...therefore a load of confusing nonsensical nonsense.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Of course I read your whole post.

Did you read mine?

You...me....understand God’s word very differently?

We’re on different wavelengths of understanding/ knowledge.

smh

You asked why said something, and said you thought i was born again.

And will be until I am Born Again?

What does that mean?

I thought you were Born Again?

You asked if I was physically alive without a spirit. when all I said is we are spiritually dead.

So...you are physically alive without a spirit?

How can anyone be physically alive without a spirit?

There are two major errors you made in judgment. because you failed to read. or attempt to understand what I said.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You!!!...read what “ YOU”believe I was saying into my posts...therefore a load of confusing nonsensical nonsense.

I am not concerned with what you believe

I am concerned with you misrepresenting me, and saying I said something I never said.

 

[GracePeace]

Okay. So, let's change descriptors (it's a better illustration for me on this point, and I do see it too, okay?)

So all this is like a well right? An unfathomably deep well full of nothing but God's glory and majesty.

It's not a ceasing of our own existence if we jump into this well, in fact it's nothing but Life and we are being called to enter in.

But the leap is terrifying all the same. So we inch in... The more we understand the more we trust the farther we go.

Right?

But you know when you jump in your coming out just like the Apostle Paul, and that's scary.

Let's face it Paul was the crazy man in the public square talking about putting on Christ like clothing... Jesus Christ, a human being in the eyes of the world that many had seen as a living man at the time.

It's bad enough that we can understand Paul as if he was our own brother, raised in the same household but to come out of the well like that?

It's not an inviting prospect really, no one actually wants to be the crazy man in the public square..

And then look at the venom spewed just at this, tell them God is sovereign and they flip.. they can handle anything but that. They hate God because they don't have control over Him.

And we aren't that different really... it is as terrifying as it is wonderous to fully surrender self.

So we inch ourself in, the more we understand of God the more we trust Him and so the farther we go into that well which is the Glory of God.

We won't loose ourselves when we jump entirely in, but we aren't coming out of it the same. We will be exactly like Paul.

God asks us to take the leap, but he gives us the time we need to be able to do that comfortably I think...hence, clothing descriptors.

At any rate, I've already jumped... So have you. . Whether we realize it yet or not.

But In that well only God operates, I agree, and when we jump, only God matters to us. There it is totally only God in us, through us, and for the praise of His Glory.

Is this where you are thinking?

Are you responding to God "wearing" us, or "mindlessness"?

 

[Ritajanice]

There are two major errors you made in judgment. because you failed to read. or attempt to understand what I said.

No I didn’t...you are the one who made the error not me....you insisted I was saying something I never said.

 

[Ritajanice]

I am not concerned with what you believe

I am concerned with you misrepresenting me, and saying I said something I never said.

And I’m not concerned with what you believe...don’t tell me I said something that I didn’t.

You took what was said the wrong way.

Just like you took what mr e said the wrong way...hyper sensitive you are imo..get over yourself.

You’re like a dog with a bone..you need to learn to let go.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No I didn’t...you are the one who made the error not me....you insisted I was saying something I never said.

Please show me where I did this

I already showed you where you did it..

You refuse to confess. then make a baseless accusation with no proof.

 

[Ritajanice]

Please show me where I did this

I already showed you where you did it..

You refuse to confess. then make a baseless accusation with no proof.

You show me where I said what you said I said?

I’ve got nothing to confess to you.

Have you let go of the bone yet?

Are we done?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And I’m not concerned with what you believe...don’t tell me I said something that I didn’t.

You took what was said the wrong way.

Just like you took what mr e said the wrong way...hyper sensitive you are imo..get over yourself.

I took you for your word.

You asked me if I could be born without a spirit.. Tell me when I said this

You asked me if I was born again, because of something I said. tell me whan I said otherwise?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You show me where I said what you said I said?

I’ve got nothing to confess to you.

Have you let go of the bone yet?

Are we done?

lol.. I showed you.. multiple times.

Just because you deny it does not make it false.

Are we done? We can be done, when you appologize. and actually talk about what I said. and not making assumptions. and appologize for the words you called me

 

[Ritajanice]

You asked if I was physically alive without a spirit. when all I said is we are spiritually dead.

You said our spirit is dead...no it’s not...it’s not Alive with Christ..our spirit was in darkness and sin unknowingly.

You did not say spiritually dead..you said our spirit was dead.

 

[GracePeace]

@GracePeace . I'm hoping the post I made earlier is down the right road here, if it is, watch/listen to this ..

I'll be back this evening...

Actually, I wasn't sure what point you were addressing in your previous post.

I skimmed through this video, and agreed with a number of things he said, but it seems you're addressing being "clothed" versus "being worn as clothing"? I already said it's both. I thought you were going to address mindlessness.

 

[Ritajanice]

I took you for your word.

You asked me if I could be born without a spirit.. Tell me when I said this

You asked me if I was born again, because of something I said. tell me whan I said otherwise?

You said we are Born dead in spirit...I said no we aren’t, we are born into darkness and sin..only when we are Born Again do we realise we were in darkness and sin..alienated from God.

After he brings our spirit Alive in His..do we understand this.how can you know you were in darkness and sin....before God makes you alive in your spirit with Christ?

Our sins must be forgiven by God..only after we have become Born Again do we understand this...he removes the burden of sin from our shoulders..we become as light as a feather...my opinion.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Are you responding to God "wearing" us, or "mindlessness"?

Us wearing God/God wearing us .

 

[Hazelelponi]

Actually, I wasn't sure what point you were addressing in your previous post.

I skimmed through this video, and agreed with a number of things he said, but it seems you're addressing being "clothed" versus "being worn as clothing"? I already said it's both. I thought you were going to address mindlessness.

Oh... Lol. Okay... Well I guess I went down the wrong path then.

I thought we were still on clothing but I always see that as more immersion where the only thing that seems left is God.

So mindlessness then?

 

[JBO]

It means that the cross of Christ, that righteous act. is so powerful it can save all men.

It does not mean it will.. One must be born again for this new life to take affect.

So then how about the first part of that verse?

":...as one trespass led to condemnation for all men" (Rom 5:18), Does that mean it will?

 

[JBO]

Ok..let’s leave it at that...only God can show us his truth...I can’t show anyone Gods truth.

Of ;course you can. Just give them God's word, the Bible. That is God's truth.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So then how about the first part of that verse?

":...as one trespass led to condemnation for all men" (Rom 5:18), Does that mean it will?

It did..

Thats why we must be born again

 

[JBO]

which is exactly what I have been saying, we were born with a dead spirit, which means we were separated from God

Do you seriously believe that God gave you a dead spirit?