The Gospel of Reconciliation

[brightfame52]

Saved by Grace through reconciliation while enemies ! 2

The fact is, its not Salvation by Grace or Justification by Grace unless we are by the Grace of the Death of Christ alone Heb 2:9, saved and or Justified before God while we are still disobedient, ungodly, and unbelievers, its only then can it be said when we do come to believe by the Power of the Holy Ghost, that we believed on Him that Justifieth the Ungodly Rom 4:5

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

So if we were anything but in a active state of ungodliness, and disobedience and unbelief when Christ's death alone reconciled us into the state of Divine Favor and Grace, we immediately have fallen from Grace, and any scripture testimony of being saved by Grace, and can only be judged as one who professes Salvation and or Justification by their works, which is condemned by the Word of God !

 

[Robert Pate]

Saved by Grace through reconciliation while enemies ! 2

The fact is, its not Salvation by Grace or Justification by Grace unless we are by the Grace of the Death of Christ alone Heb 2:9, saved and or Justified before God while we are still disobedient, ungodly, and unbelievers, its only then can it be said when we do come to believe by the Power of the Holy Ghost, that we believed on Him that Justifieth the Ungodly Rom 4:5

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

So if we were anything but in a active state of ungodliness, and disobedience and unbelief when Christ's death alone reconciled us into the state of Divine Favor and Grace, we immediately have fallen from Grace, and any scripture testimony of being saved by Grace, and can only be judged as one who professes Salvation and or Justification by their works, which is condemned by the Word of God !

How do you believe all of that and then come up with Calvinism?

 

[brightfame52]

Saved by Grace by Reconciliation !


When the Apostle writes to Believers @ Rome these words Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

He is teaching by and large what it means to be saved by Grace . Grace is the favor of God, and all for whom He died, Even While They Are Enemies, before they believe, repent or act any Gospel Obedience, and while they are actively disobedient, If Christ died for them, they are saved and received into the Favor of God ! The word for reconciled in Rom 5:10 is the greek word katallassō and means:

I.to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value
A.
to reconcile (those who are at variance)

B.
return to favour with, be reconciled to one

C.
to receive one into favour

And thats what Grace is, God's Favor, and in His Favor is Life Ps 30:5

For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.

And that Life is Salvation ! It's Life that Lasts a Lifetime here and ushers them into Life Eternal ! 9

 

[Robert Pate]

Saved by Grace through reconciliation while enemies ! 2

The fact is, its not Salvation by Grace or Justification by Grace unless we are by the Grace of the Death of Christ alone Heb 2:9, saved and or Justified before God while we are still disobedient, ungodly, and unbelievers, its only then can it be said when we do come to believe by the Power of the Holy Ghost, that we believed on Him that Justifieth the Ungodly Rom 4:5

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

So if we were anything but in a active state of ungodliness, and disobedience and unbelief when Christ's death alone reconciled us into the state of Divine Favor and Grace, we immediately have fallen from Grace, and any scripture testimony of being saved by Grace, and can only be judged as one who professes Salvation and or Justification by their works, which is condemned by the Word of God !

You are under the misconception that believing in Jesus is a work. A work is something that one does. A labor that will produce benefits. There is no work that anyone can do that will save themselves, God does not accept the works or the obedience of sinners. God only accepts the works and the obedience of Jesus Christ, who was without sin. This is why salvation is by grace through faith, Ephesians 2:8. It is a gift, not a work.

 

[brightfame52]

You are under the misconception that believing in Jesus is a work. A work is something that one does. A labor that will produce benefits. There is no work that anyone can do that will save themselves, God does not accept the works or the obedience of sinners. God only accepts the works and the obedience of Jesus Christ, who was without sin. This is why salvation is by grace through faith, Ephesians 2:8. It is a gift, not a work.

Post 361 did you understand it ?

 

[Robert Pate]

Saved by Grace through reconciliation while enemies ! 2

The fact is, its not Salvation by Grace or Justification by Grace unless we are by the Grace of the Death of Christ alone Heb 2:9, saved and or Justified before God while we are still disobedient, ungodly, and unbelievers, its only then can it be said when we do come to believe by the Power of the Holy Ghost, that we believed on Him that Justifieth the Ungodly Rom 4:5

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

So if we were anything but in a active state of ungodliness, and disobedience and unbelief when Christ's death alone reconciled us into the state of Divine Favor and Grace, we immediately have fallen from Grace, and any scripture testimony of being saved by Grace, and can only be judged as one who professes Salvation and or Justification by their works, which is condemned by the Word of God !

It is very apparent that your Calvinist doctrine is not compatible with the Bible. You are saying things that the Bible does not say.

Here is what the scripture says, "But to him that does no works, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.

You try to make the scripture say something that it does not say. Try just accepting what the scripture says, instead of screwing with it.

 

[brightfame52]

It is very apparent that your Calvinist doctrine is not compatible with the Bible. You are saying things that the Bible does not say.

Here is what the scripture says, "But to him that does no works, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.

You try to make the scripture say something that it does not say. Try just accepting what the scripture says, instead of screwing with it.

More scoffing !

 

[Robert Pate]

More scoffing !

Christians are called to refute false doctrines. Your full of it.

 

[Ritajanice]

Saved by Grace through reconciliation while enemies ! 2

The fact is, its not Salvation by Grace or Justification by Grace unless we are by the Grace of the Death of Christ alone Heb 2:9, saved and or Justified before God while we are still disobedient, ungodly, and unbelievers, its only then can it be said when we do come to believe by the Power of the Holy Ghost, that we believed on Him that Justifieth the Ungodly Rom 4:5

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

So if we were anything but in a active state of ungodliness, and disobedience and unbelief when Christ's death alone reconciled us into the state of Divine Favor and Grace, we immediately have fallen from Grace, and any scripture testimony of being saved by Grace, and can only be judged as one who professes Salvation and or Justification by their works, which is condemned by the Word of God !

Saved by grace through reconciliation while enemies, or, while in darkness and sin.

Only God can reconcile us back to his Son, by the washing of regeneration.

Titus 3:5-7 KJV​

not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; that being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life

 

[brightfame52]

Christians are called to refute false doctrines. Your full of it.

You scoff the Gospel, you oppose it, because you have been appointed to do it

 

[brightfame52]

Saved by grace through reconciliation while enemies, or, while in darkness and sin.

Only God can reconcile us back to his Son, by the washing of regeneration.

Titus 3:5-7 KJV​

not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; that being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life

Christs death first and foremost reconciled Gods elect to God , do you deny that ? Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

 

[Ritajanice]

Christs death first and foremost reconciled Gods elect to God , do you deny that ? Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Please read my post, in its right context, then you may, if you open your eyes see God’s truth.

Unfortunately, you seem to do all the talking...try OPENING your heart to God, instead of listening to the “ sound” of your own voice!

 

[Robert Pate]

Christs death first and foremost reconciled Gods elect to God , do you deny that ? Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

You are trying to fit everything into your Calvinist doctrine.

If you are one of the elect, why would you need to be reconciled? The only ones that are reconciled to God are lost sinners. The word "reconciled" denotes that at one time you were at odds with God. You can't be at odds with God if you were predestinated to be saved before the foundation of the word.

 

[brightfame52]

Please read my post, in its right context, then you may, if you open your eyes see God’s truth.

Unfortunately, you seem to do all the talking...try OPENING your heart to God, instead of listening to the “ sound” of your own voice!

Christs death first and foremost reconciled Gods elect to God , do you deny that ? Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

 

[brightfame52]

You are trying to fit everything into your Calvinist doctrine.

If you are one of the elect, why would you need to be reconciled? The only ones that are reconciled to God are lost sinners. The word "reconciled" denotes that at one time you were at odds with God. You can't be at odds with God if you were predestinated to be saved before the foundation of the word.

Scoffing, thats your only response to truth

 

[Ritajanice]

Christs death first and foremost reconciled Gods elect to God , do you deny that ? Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Do you deny that we need to be Born Again to be reconciled back to God?

We need both!!

 

[Ritajanice]

You are trying to fit everything into your Calvinist doctrine.

If you are one of the elect, why would you need to be reconciled? The only ones that are reconciled to God are lost sinners. The word "reconciled" denotes that at one time you were at odds with God. You can't be at odds with God if you were predestinated to be saved before the foundation of the word.

We need to be reconciled back to God, via becoming Born Again, that was already planned by God, before the foundation of the world, he chose his elect and he predestined/ chose them to become Born Again, you know that right?

 

[Robert Pate]

We need to be reconciled back to God, via becoming Born Again, that was already planned by God, before the foundation of the world, he chose his elect and he predestined/ chose them to become Born Again, you know that right?

Your Calvinist doctrine does not make sense.

If you were elected, before the foundation of the world, which you haven't been, you don't need anything. You don't need Jesus Christ, You don't need to be born again. You don't need anything. You would not need to be saved, because you are already saved. This means that Christ and his Gospel are worthless. No need for a judgment, everyone has already been judged and condemned.

 

[Ritajanice]

Your Calvinist doctrine does not make sense.

If you were elected, before the foundation of the world, which you haven't been, you don't need anything. You don't need Jesus Christ, You don't need to be born again. You don't need anything. You would not need to be saved, because you are already saved. This means that Christ and his Gospel are worthless. No need for a judgment, everyone has already been judged and condemned.

I post Gods truth, not Calvin doctrine....you need to stop posting your truth and prove the word of God wrong that I post?

That’s what you believe predestination means...

So, we don’t need to be Born of the Spirit?

That God in his mercy predestined us to receive ?

You’re trying to understand logically...that’s a no no...it can only be understood in the Spirit...that’s why those who have been chosen / predestined to understand.....understand God’s word.

We are Born Again then we are “ saved” from eternal damnation and not before.

One is not saved, not until our spirit has been Born Again, you understand that right?

What do you think begotten mean?

God gave his only begotten Son did he not?

That is why Jesus is called the Only Begotten Son of God. From His Father, He inherited divine powers (see John 10:17–18).

Do you actually understand what a Born Again is?

◄ 2 Peter 1:3 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. New Living Translation By his divine power, God has given us everything we need for living a godly life. We have received all of this by coming to know him, the one who called us to himself by means of his marvelous glory and excellence. English Standard Version His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, Berean Standard Bible His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through the knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence.

1 Peter 1:2-25​

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King James Version​

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2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

 

[brightfame52]

Do you deny that we need to be Born Again to be reconciled back to God?

We need both!!

Christs death first and foremost reconciled Gods elect to God , do you deny that ? Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.