The Gospel of Reconciliation

[brightfame52]

He died for the word. But only those who believe will be reconciled.

Just like in the OT. Moses put the serpent on the pole so the people of Israel could be saved, it could have saved them all. But only those who believes and look were saved.

False, those for whom He died are reconciled by His Death Read Rom 5:10, and they are saved by His Life.

 

[JBO]

Believers, of course. The Elect to be specific

But you have that backward. It is those who have been saved who are the elect; it is not the elect who will be saved.

 

[brightfame52]

They are saved when they are Born Again then we are saved from eternal damnation.

With respect..you sound incredibly confused....

God knows who will become Born Again...by his seed.

Those who Christ died for were reconciled to God by His Death, and they shall be saved by His Life, which does include the New Birth.

 

[brightfame52]

But you have that backward. It is those who have been saved who are the elect; it is not the elect who will be saved.

No its good Paul is speaking to and about believers. Thats what happens to one who Christ died for, they become believers, thats part of reconciliation.

 

[JBO]

False, those for whom He died are reconciled by His Death Read Rom 5:10, and they are saved by His Life.

The "we" that Paul is speaking to in Romans 5:10 are those who have been saved.

Rom 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rom 5:2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.

 

[Ritajanice]

Those who Christ died for were reconciled to God by His Death, and they shall be saved by His Life, which does include the New Birth.

I sincerely hope you know what you are saying and preaching.

I don’t agree, so, I’m out, have a good day.

 

[brightfame52]

The "we" that Paul is speaking to in Romans 5:10 are those who have been saved.

Rom 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rom 5:2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.

Correct the we are believers in Rom 5:10, I just said that, cant you read ?

 

[JBO]

No its good Paul is speaking to and about believers. Thats what happens to one who Christ died for, they become believers, thats part of reconciliation.

Christ died for the whole world. It is those who believe (and are baptized) that are saved.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith....

Grace is God's part; faith is man's part.

 

[brightfame52]

I sincerely hope you know what you are saying and preaching.

I don’t agree, so, I’m out, have a good day.

I know what I am saying, apparently you havent a clue !

 

[brightfame52]

Christ died for the whole world. It is those who believe (and are baptized) that are saved.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith....

Grace is God's part; faith is man's part.

Paul is writing to them who were reconciled to God by His Death and saved by His Life, thats it. Rom 5:10

 

[JBO]

Correct the we are believers in Rom 5:10, I just said that, cant you read ?

The we are the ones who were justified. Those who were justified are the elect; not vice versa as you would claim.

And yes I can read.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

False, those for whom He died are reconciled by His Death Read Rom 5:10, and they are saved by His Life.

False.

Do you ever read John 3?

who is the we in Romans 5:

5 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

The same people who were born again in John 3.

Yet Jesus said he was sent to die for the world. and used Moses and the serpent as an example

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Christ died for the whole world. It is those who believe (and are baptized) that are saved.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith....

Grace is God's part; faith is man's part.

and not of works.

so why would you add the work of water baptism?

 

[JBO]

and not of works.

so why would you add the work of water baptism?

Baptism is not work of the law. Believing is a work; but not a work of the law.

Mar 16:16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved.....

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Baptism is not work of the law. Believing is a work; but not a work of the law.

Baptism is a work of righteousness. Paul said we were not saved by works of righteousness.

Belief is the work of God (john 6) You can;t boast because you trusted in someone else to save you. and received his gift.

John said as many as have believed him to THEM he gave the right to become children.

Baptism has nothing to do with it

 

[JBO]

Baptism is a work of righteousness. Paul said we were not saved by works of righteousness.

Belief is the work of God (john 6) You can;t boast because you trusted in someone else to save you. and received his gift.

Joh 6:28 Therefore they said to Him, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?"
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."

Clearly the ones doing the believing are the "we", the people asking the question. It is not God doing the work of believing.

John said as many as have believed him to THEM he gave the right to become children.

To believe is a condition for one to be saved. It is not the only condition.

Baptism has nothing to do with it

But baptism is the occasion, the time in the life of the believer, when God has promised to save him. Can God saved one who has not been baptized. I suppose so; but God has not said so.

 

[Ritajanice]

I know what I am saying, apparently you havent a clue !

We are reconciled back to God through him giving up his Son to a terrible death.

That’s our only way back to God.in the Name of Jesus.

We are Born Again like the wind, after God has brought us to believe in Jesus, God drew us to Jesus God brought us to repentance/ Godly sorrow, he forgave all of our sins ..we are in right standing with God.

Then we were Born Again like the wind and have been Born Again of imperishable seed.
We are also given the gift of Faith, that is a manifestation of the Spirit?

 

[Tulipbee]

I do not know why the other contender would jab at Calvinism as she believes in predestination and original sin.
So someone has obviously taught it to her in whatever church affiliation she may have.

The other, Behold may say things against Calvin but it is easy to pick it's influence out in his rollercoaster rhetoric along with his hyper-grace Pauline only expressions !

Carry on with this comedy club mocking, of the free-will choice God has given unto EVERY man to believe or disbelieve by their choice!

The truth of the word of God, not man's doctrine is what sets ppl free and gives liberty to those whom seek him !

Ah, L.A.M.B., you've stepped into the Calvinist comedy club – where we aim to untangle theological spaghetti with a dash of humor. Now, regarding Ritajanice's jab at Calvin, let's not assume demonic influences; after all, we're discussing theology, not writing a horror script.
As for Behold's rollercoaster rhetoric, we'd say, "Hold on tight, folks, but let's not make theology a wild ride." It's not about blaming pre-destined twists and turns; it's about understanding God's sovereignty in a way that glorifies Him.
Now, your point about the free-will choice God has given every man – in the Calvinist comedy script, we might say, "God's sovereignty and man's responsibility – it's a divine sitcom with a plot twist in every decision." But remember, L.A.M.B., our laughter is rooted in the truth of God's Word, not in man's doctrines.
And as John Calvin once said, "Man with all his shrewdness is as stupid concerning understanding by himself the mysteries of God, as an ass is incapable of understanding musical harmony." So, let's find the harmony in our theological banter, always anchored in the Gospel truth. #CalvinistComedyClub #GospelLaughs

 

[Tulipbee]

God "saves" ALL who "call on the Name of Jesus" by Faith.

God "saved".... "as many as BELIEVE" in Jesus.

Or as Jesus told YOU... "ALL that believe in me.... (FAITH), i give unto them eternal Life and they shall never go to Hell, (Perish).

Now, who is ALL?

"all".

That is "all who call on the name of Jesus shall be saved".

That is... Jesus saying.."If i be lifted up (on the Cross) I will draw ALL people to me.

This...


1.) 1 John 2:2

"""When JESUS served as a sacrifice for our sins, He solved the sin problem for good - not only ours, but the whole WORLD's""

Notice that John said that Jesus solved the sin problem for the whole = world..
Not just the "pre-destined", as Demonic John Calvinism and his disciples lie to teach.

We see in this verse that the Cross is for the WORLD< exactly as John 3:16 teaches, that Calvin and his disciples, deny.

2.) 1 Timothy 4:10

""""God, who is the Savior of ALL people, especially of those who believe.""""

So, we see that God is the Savior of ALL, with the condition that they BELIEVE">

So, "ALL" is not "pre-destined elect"... as the demonic John Calvin teaches.

Foolish Calvinist, read "all" and "world" and can't understand it, because Calvin's theology is a type of mind blinding "bewitching" that is a doctrine of devils... and that is how it owns your MIND...= Its Satanic.. It will deceive you, and have you preaching T.U.L.I.P. instead of JESUS SAVES.

Ah, Behold, welcome to the Calvinist comedy club – where we juggle theological debates with a dash of humor. Now, your faith-filled banter is like a stand-up routine, and we're ready to engage in the divine laughter.

First, let's address your take on salvation – in the Calvinist comedy script, we might say, "The divine invitation is open to all, but the RSVP list is in God's sovereign hands." Now, let's sprinkle in a dash of Calvin's wisdom: "Man's faith is a gift, not a result of human effort."

Now, your scripture references are like punchlines in this theological comedy – let's add a Calvinist twist. John Calvin might say, "Ah, 1 John 2:2, where the sin problem is solved not just for the 'pre-destined,' but for the entire 'world' – a divine comedy where redemption is universal but received through God's sovereign plan."

And 1 Timothy 4:10 – in the Calvinist humor realm, we'd say, "God, the Savior of ALL people, with the fine print that they BELIEVE – a divine punchline highlighting the synergy of God's sovereignty and man's responsibility."

Now, your playful jabs at Calvinism – in our Calvinist comedy club, we might respond with a chuckle, "Foolish Calvinists, reading 'all' and 'world' without understanding the divine dance of election and belief. It's not mind-blinding, it's mind-enlightening."

And remember, Behold, as Calvin once said, "Our wisdom, in so far as it ought to be deemed true and solid wisdom, consists almost entirely of two parts: the knowledge of God and of ourselves." So, let's keep the laughter divine and rooted in the Gospel truth. #CalvinistComedyClub #GospelLaughs

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Joh 6:28 Therefore they said to Him, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?"
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."

Clearly the ones doing the believing are the "we", the people asking the question. It is not God doing the work of believing.

True.

But God does the work to bring you to belief, and he did the work you believe in, Hence it is his work not yours.

To believe is a condition for one to be saved. It is not the only condition.

The only condition is the cross. and whether you look to it in faith. or reject it in unbelief.. Again., look to moses and the serpent. Jesus used that for a reason.. why do people just overlook it

But baptism is the occasion, the time in the life of the believer, when God has promised to save him. Can God saved one who has not been baptized. I suppose so; but God has not said so.

Yes, baptism of the spirit. Not baptism in water.

Water baptism no more saves you than circumcision saved the jew.