Ah, the theological ring has another contender – Ritajanice throws a jab at Calvin,
So easy to do when it is the truth.
suggesting demonic influence, and Behold steps into the comedy arena with some heavy punches. In the Calvinist comedy script, we're saying, "Folks, let's untangle the theological spaghetti and find the divine punchline."
I am not in the demonic side of things but I can recognize that when someone is a self appointed "Prophet" without obvious confirmation that some one surly is a brick short of a full load.
Now, the accusation against Calvin – in the Calvinist laughter arena, we're emphasizing that Calvin might not have been a stand-up comedian, but let's not jump to the demon possession punchline. It's about engaging with his theological views, not his historical rap sheet.
By all means engage with in his theological views... and please... fully explain why they are correct and where in the four corners of the Holy Bivble the following... from Calvin... is written for ALL to read
Calvin on predestination: To his glory, God determined before all creation those who would obtain eternal life, and those who would receive eternal death.
www.theologian-theology.com
Predestination According to Calvin
According to John Calvin, predestination is God’s unchangeable decree from before the creation of the world that he would freely save some people (the elect), foreordaining them to eternal life,
while the others (the reprobate) would be “barred from access to” salvation and sentenced to “eternal death (180, 184).” Calvin was careful to distinguish the predestination of individuals from the corporate election of nations such as Israel (185). He argued that an explanation of predestination is only complete when it includes the election of individuals (187).
Calvin described the basis of predestination in several ways. In general he affirmed that there is no basis for election outside of God. Referring to Eph. 1.9, Calvin noted that God purposed election “in Himself,” basing his decree of predestination on “nothing outside Himself (192).” Calvin attributed the salvation of the elect to God’s free decision to favor them (188). He variously described this as God’s “mere generosity (180, 187),” his “freely given mercy (189, 195, 211),” and the “good pleasure of His will (191; cf. Eph. 1.5).” Moreover, Calvin based the damnation of the reprobate solely in God’s decision (189, 200).
Go to the link and you will be surprised to find that Calvin also said
"Since God’s reasons for predestination are wholly internal to his being (190), they are opaque to humanity. Ultimately, then, the basis of God’s predestination is mysterious and “utterly incomprehensible” to people >
Calvin asserted that
the reprobate are those God intentionally neglects to choose (200). From Rom. 9.14ff, Calvin argued that the hardening of non-elect hearts is as much attributable to God as is mercy.
Moreover,
he noted that Paul did not shy away from this dreadful conclusion, but rather questioned the right of the clay to protest the Potter’s work (Rom. 9.20), and
linked condemnation of the reprobate to God’s glory (Rom. 9.22-23).
And Behold's critique of Calvin's theology – in the Calvinist comedy club, we're saying, "Hold on, let's not turn theology into a crazy rollercoaster." It's not about pre-destined blame games; it's about understanding God's sovereignty in a way that glorifies Him.
So, my theological jesters, let's keep the Calvinist comedy vibes alive – where the Gospel isn't overshadowed by historical speculations but shines brightly in the truth of God's Word. #CalvinistComedyClub #GospelLaughs
Speculations? I agree. John Calvin definitely speculated from his own little corner of the imaginations of his mind .
And while we are all wondering about the man who said ..... predestination is God’s unchangeable decree from before the creation of the world that he would freely save some people (the elect), foreordaining them to eternal life, ( really should look at the link to see how you can know this
secret thing for sure.... and then click on the one that explains "how Calvin chose to teach predestination, and I will articulate Calvin’s defense of predestination as just."
I digress...
So while we are discussing this and you are certain in your own skin that God selected you to be in those elected to be saved...
Answer me this....
Why is it necessary for anyone to have needed to be baptised? Why was it necessary for Jesus to have sent them out preaching, teaching and baptising... IF ... those who came forward had already been chosen?
Why did James preach incessantly about works. If you are in the in group works be damned as well as everything else we struggle through life with.
And most important, cause I need to cut this short due to length... why did Jesus talk as he did with Nicodemus when all Nick wanted to know was how "he" could be saved.
He either was or was damned... Jesus should have told him that.
