Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

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GracePeace

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33) And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Not just anyone?

Psalms 69:28 KJV
Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

The way I understand this, God has a book with the names of all humanity written in it. Sinners are blotted out from the book. Those to whom sin is not imputed are not blotted from the book, and their names remain written.

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God isn't saying "anyone on earth who has committed any sin against Me is going to be blotted out of My Book"; God's statement regards, in context, the incident that had just occurred with His people. Moses' request is against the intentions of God regarding the sin His people had just committed.
 

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No, if that's case, if you believe me are born spiritually dead, no one would be in the book as a "default".
No one was dead when the book was written. All were alive in Adam when he was created. All humanity was created on day 6 of creation. All humanity died when Adam died.

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No one was dead when the book was written. All were alive in Adam when he was created. All humanity was created on day 6 of creation. All humanity died when Adam died.

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David said "in sin I was conceived", so all men would arrive on earth not in the book. There would be no later time in their lives when they would be removed. Again you're not reading it in context.
 

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No one was dead when the book was written. All were alive in Adam when he was created. All humanity was created on day 6 of creation. All humanity died when Adam died.

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As stated, the Book is not mentioned except with regard to His people

Demonstrate that all souls are in the Book. I categorically deny that.
 

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God isn't saying "anyone on earth who has committed any sin against Me is going to be blotted out of My Book"; God's statement regards, in context, the incident that had just occurred with His people. Moses' request is against the intentions of God regarding the sin His people had just committed.
I agree in the main with what you are saying here, still, the wording of the verse presents it as a "rule of thumb". No Moses, I'm not going to do that, because it's not what I do.

I suppose you are starting to see my doggedness at sticking to the wording of the Scriptures.

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As stated, the Book is not mentioned except with regard to His people

Demonstrate that all souls are in the Book. I categorically deny that.
When are names put into His book?

Exodus 32:32 KJV
Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.

What can you tell me of the circumstances of the writing of this book?

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No one was dead when the book was written. All were alive in Adam when he was created. All humanity was created on day 6 of creation. All humanity died when Adam died.

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When God says "No Mercy" and "Not My People" (Hos 1), it is clear that the status of "God's people" is that people to which God is merciful. That is why they are in His Book.
 

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When are names put into His book?

Exodus 32:32 KJV
Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.

What can you tell me of the circumstances of the writing of this book?

Much love!
Moses never said "every man on earth is in the book", only that he was in it.
 
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When God says "No Mercy" and "Not My People" (Hos 1), it is clear that the status of "God's people" is that people to which God is merciful. That is why they are in His Book.
I've got to run . . . looking forward to continuing tomorrow, Lord willing!

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Moses never said "every man on earth is in the book", only that he was in it.
That's true. What can you tell me about how the book was written? I know many people think that when someone is born again God writes their name in His book. I'm not thinking that's your view, but I'm wondering, what is your view about that?

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That's true. What can you tell me about how the book was written? I know many people think that when someone is born again God writes their name in His book. I'm not thinking that's your view, but I'm wondering, what is your view about that?

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I haven't thought about it--haven't had to (I've had other questions).
 
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I suppose you are starting to see my doggedness at sticking to the wording of the Scriptures.

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There's no other way to go about it. I wish all the other interactions on this thread were more like this interaction--instead, there has inevitably been a devolution into feces-tossing.
 

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Dear expert Peter,


perhaps you missed to whom the letter is being addressed:

My children, 1 I am writing this to you so that you may not commit sin.

Pax et Bonum

I read a report that I did not save and I wish I had because it was so well written. It referred to John as being the greatest at contradicting himself with just a few pages written.

1 John 3 & 5
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not.

 

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I read a report that I did not save and I wish I had because it was so well written. It referred to John as being the greatest at contradicting himself with just a few pages written.

1 John 3 & 5
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not.
The same people told "you stand by your faith" are also told "if you disbelieve you too will be cut off".
 

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I agree in the main with what you are saying here, still, the wording of the verse presents it as a "rule of thumb". No Moses, I'm not going to do that, because it's not what I do.

I suppose you are starting to see my doggedness at sticking to the wording of the Scriptures.

Much love!
No, it's not "a rule of thumb", as you mean it, because men sin all of the time, yet it was only then that the men who engaged in the particular act would be "blotted out". Surely their other sins had not escaped God's notice, any single one of which would (on your view) have resulted in their "spiritual death" long before then, and yet their names had, up until that point, still been in God's Book.

It can't be the case that "all names of humanity are in the Book, and God blots men's names out, one by one, as they sin"--and even if it were, it wouldn't matter, since this version of "blotting out" would include God's people (formerly, the descendants of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, presently, Christians).

God distinguishes between people at the Church of Sardis: among those at the Church, some have soiled their garments, but there is another group that has not. The latter would not be blotted out--meaning that the former, by contrast, would be blotted out. The Lord had washed all their garments, but some had kept them White, while the others had soiled them. He would blot the sinners' names out of His Book, and would not confess their names before the Father and His angels, because they had "denied Him" in their works--"whoever denies Me before men I will deny before My Father", "they claim to know God, but in their works they deny Him", "If a man does not provide for his family he is worse than an unbeliever and has denied the faith".

In both cases (Ex 32; Rv 3), the grounds for being blotted out are the same:
1) they are members of God's people,
2) they sinned against their God.

Having said that, you can't demonstrate that people who are not part of God's people (who are special objects of His mercy (Hos 1)) are in God's Book, and are then blotted out for sinning against God. Again, both times it is mentioned, it is only happening among God's people.
 
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I read a report that I did not save and I wish I had because it was so well written. It referred to John as being the greatest at contradicting himself with just a few pages written.

1 John 3 & 5
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Yet, "if we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light we have fellowship one with another and the blood of His Son cleanses us of all our sins"--obviously, it refers to continuing in sin, as the Gnostic heretics had taught, and does not mean "Christians don't sin".
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Yet, some do not abide in Him, nor His Seed/Word in them (Jn 15; 1 Jn 2:28), because they're led away by "idols" (1 Jn 5:21); the Christians who continue walking in this way are blotted out, their righteousness of faith is forgotten, they retroactively had never been saved.
 

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Yet, "if we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light we have fellowship one with another and the blood of His Son cleanses us of all our sins"--obviously, it refers to continuing in sin, as the Gnostic heretics had taught, and does not mean "Christians don't sin".

Yet, some do not abide in Him, nor His Seed/Word in them (Jn 15; 1 Jn 2:28), because they're led away by "idols" (1 Jn 5:21); the Christians who continue walking in this way are blotted out, their righteousness of faith is forgotten, they retroactively had never been saved.

Boy I just don't see how your mind works. Cleanses us of all our sins and you turn it into obviously it refers to continuing in sin.
 

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Boy I just don't see how your mind works. Cleanses us of all our sins and you turn it into obviously it refers to continuing in sin.
"Boy", you also deny people who are explicitly said to have faith actually have faith.
 

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Lol.. Jesus said we will NEVER PERISH but have eternal life.

he said it numerous times in John 3 4 5 and 6 and other places.

he did not contradict himself by saying later they can die after they believe and they have conditional life.

Their may not be a calvinistic OSAS (fatalism) But eternal security is in scripture.. It is the BASES of christian growth and abiding in the vine..
John 10
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
28 And I give to them eternal life, and they shall never ever perish, and not anyone shall pluck them out of My hand.

You have shortened Jesus' words in John 10:27-28 to:

"My sheep hear My voice and I know them. And I give to them eternal life, and they shall never ever perish, and not anyone shall pluck them out of My hand."

Your doctrine leaves out the "and they follow Me."

Following Him = abiding in the Vine. They who hear his voice and follow Him, i.e those who hear His voice and abide in the Vine, shall never ever perish.
 
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