Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

[Peterlag]

1 Jn 5:11 Yes, the life/Spirit is in Christ--for that reason, only those who abide in Him receive the Spirit.
1 Jn 3:23-24 Yes, it says those who obey Him abide in Him and they receive the Spirit.

This is just as Galatians 4 says, "Because you are sons in Christ God sent the Spirit of His Son into your hearts".

I don't see what you see. 1 John 3:23-24 is saying those in Christ walk with him because they have his spirit. I don't know how you get that we need to walk with him to get the spirit. Well, I do know why you believe that. It's what the Catholics believe.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

James 3:13
Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

Colossians 3:9 / 10
Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him.

Proverbs 12:1
Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish.

@GracePeace
It is redundant to continually correct the brutish who lack "spiritual " understanding, refusing the knowledge and wisdom of God !

The word is plainly written for our understanding about the correct standards for discipleship.

The gift of God is salvation, and it is free, but discipleship is the continuity of abiding in the vine! In the end, there will be many that will say, " I wish I had......." done the many things they rejected to have continued in the vine; for they will hear, depart from me, you workers of iniquity!

Be not deceived, God is NOT mocked, for whatsoever one soweth that shall they also reap:

WOW,

so now it all comes together. You were not mad at me because I said something, you were mad because what I said hit you also..

Abiding in the vine is not what we do to be saved. It’s what we do to grow in Christ. There will be many babes in Christ who will not see much reward in heaven because they did Not grow much. But Jesus will tell no one who was born again to depart.. He said HE NEVER KNEW THEM, and he also said THEY PRACTICED UNRIGHTEOUSNESS

Both are things for non believers. A child of God cannot practice sin as John tells us, and for Jesus to say he NEVER knew us if we were at one time saved, Jesus lied. Because HE WOULD HAVE known us at one time

John also shows this when he wrote Jesus words. He who BELIEVES in not condemned, he who does NOT BELIEVE is CONDEMNED ALREADY.. For they have never met Christ.

We are not attacking the word of God. GracePeace is.. He is not offering either Grace or Peace.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Too many gag at gnats, while swallowing camels!
Posting redundant rhetoric not related to our regeneration, our walk nor the correctness of the journey. They want A but want to skip ALL between to get to Z......it's sad but ridiculous!

There is a right dividing of the word of God. It comes through prayer, reading and study, not in looking for a topic word then c&p scripture; without understanding!

I am in full agreement that many are not "in Christ", they are outside the vine, therefore they lack understanding of our salvation and discipleship.

Wow you are on a rampage.

Funny how they ARE posting verses relating to SANCTIFICATION. Which ABIDING in the VINE IS.

Of course we are not posting verses about regeneration. This OP is about abiding in the vine, that has zero to do with regeneration. If you’re not regenerated already. You will NEVER abide int he vine

 

[Eternally Grateful]

True:
These have no depth but are shallow and it shows.

If one cannot expound upon the meaning of a truth in any given scripture, these are clouds without rain carried about by every wind of man's doctrine and not that of God !

They lack the fear of the Lord which is the beginning of wisdom. Proverbs 9:
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
Wisdom is the finished product of knowledge and understanding.

The end result of these interactions show forth spiritual immaturity, lack of progression in the walk, ignorance of the truth & it's consequences! All that is left is ad hominems in trying to negate the truth!

Wow, you have fallen dear sister (Can I even call you my sister? I fear now that is in question)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

However, I do not have the power to judge other's hearts, but their words of understanding or lack thereof is a good indication of their status.

Religions of the world have disciples that sink all into their father, guru, leader, teacher, ect but those whom claim "Christianity " are allowed & accepted to corrupt the word, live in sin yet claim, walk contrary to; simply bc ppl fear being accused of judging the plant in the eye vs the splinter.
Or else being accused of being a false messenger or prophet.....

I love and stand by what God says not men. I also welcome the accusations; for proof of my stand in God is written for all to see in posts. These are the little foxes and one day God will certainly do the separating, and he knows perfectly !

Then why are you standing up for a Guy who teaches RELIGION and SELF RIGHTEOSNESS and not the word of God?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I bid you ado.
Carry on but caution is needed when engaging with the twisters or corrupters of truth by scriptures, in the not showing a bad spirit in ourselves.
Many will falter here at the WORD!

Caution needs to be engaged with listening to you now. This takes me by surprise. I would have never guessed you to were a worker for. Not a worker BECAUSE

 

[Eternally Grateful]

1 John 5:11 has nothing to do with us in Christ. It's saying the life is in Christ.
1 John 3:23-24 is not saying you obey and then get the spirit. It's saying you obey because you have the spirit.

Galations would be a good book for them to read. Especially the first part. About doing to the gospel of Christ. And begining in the spirit. But needing to perfect that in the flesh.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus is the Bread of Life and just as bread nourishes our physical bodies, Jesus gives and sustains eternal life to all believers. John 6:35 - "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst." Jesus used figurative language to emphasize these spiritual truths. Jesus explains the sense of the entire passage when He says, "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life." (John 6:63)

Jesus was not speaking here of literal cannibalism. By faith we partake of Christ, and the benefits of His bodily sacrifice on the cross and shed blood, receiving eternal life. Eating and drinking here is not literally with the mouth and the digestive organs, but the reception of God’s grace by believing in Christ unto salvation, as He makes it clear below:

John 6:40 - Everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:54 - Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:47 - Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.
John 6:58 - He who eats this bread will live forever.

"He who believes" in Christ is equivalent to "he who eats my flesh and drinks My blood" as the result is the same, eternal life. John 6 does not support the false doctrine of "transubstantiation." On the contrary, it's on the primacy of faith as the means by which we receive the grace of God. (Romans 5:1-2) Jesus is the Bread of Life and we eat and drink of Him when we believe in Him unto salvation, and we continue to believe. To abide is to remain, continue as we continue to believe in/have faith in Jesus for salvation.

Bread represents the "staff of life." Sustenance. That which essential to sustain life. Just as bread or sustenance is necessary to maintain physical life, Jesus is all the sustenance necessary for spiritual life. The source of physical life is blood -- "life is in the blood." As with the bread, just as blood is the empowering or source of life physically, Jesus is all the source of spiritual life necessary.

Amen, The John 6 road of doing what we need to do to recieve the promises of God. That will will never hunger, never thirst. Never die, Live forever. have eternal life and have his assurance we WILL be raised as apposed to being DELIEVERED to him for judgment

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I don't see what you see. 1 John 3:23-24 is saying those in Christ walk with him because they have his spirit. I don't know how you get that we need to walk with him to get the spirit. Well, I do know why you believe that. It's what the Catholics believe.

Sadly, it comes from the same root that has kept men from God from the begining. Pride.

The thought that we so so evil an innocent animal has to shed his blood and that is the ONLY way I can be redeemed is foolish, Stupid, It gets people angry (its why the pharisees crucified Christ) How dare you.

Now let’s take that up a notch. And say we are so evil that God himself had ot take the form of man, and suffer that death in our place. And THAT was the ONLT means of salvation.

Now you have gone too far! How dare you say we are that evil! We MUST have something to do to make up for our wrongs! Pride refuses to acknowledge we are that evil. So it replaces this truth with religion.

All the worlds religion are based on this man made philosophy that I need to do things in order to make up for my own sins. From Paganism to their many sacrifices. To Judaism and their many laws and traditions. To Islam and its own works based religion. Then we have the religious Church from the Roman Catholic/orthodox churches and all of her Laws and traditions (only they call them sacraments) and her outreach branches who have their own form of religious way to get to God.

Just Like the pharisee who were so mad they had to kill christ and his followers. We see the same today. Pride is so deep they get angry when you call them out.. They don’t understand if Jesus was here today, they would do the same to him, because he would reject their self righteousness as a means to get saved (saying you must keep yourself saved is just another way to say you must get saved by works)

its sad.

 

[GracePeace]

I don't see what you see. 1 John 3:23-24 is saying those in Christ walk with him because they have his spirit. I don't know how you get that we need to walk with him to get the spirit. Well, I do know why you believe that. It's what the Catholics believe.

Well, all, I can do is point to the actual language, which is clear.

I gave an example, too.

The Galatians were sons of God through faith in Christ, THEREFORE God sent the Spirit of His Son into their hearts.

Again, the Spirit is in Christ--the branches abiding in the Vine are supplied with the substance that is in the Vine. If they don't abide, they're not supplied, then they can't bear fruit, and they're cut off and thrown in the fire.

I stand by that.

 

[GracePeace]

Sadly, it comes from the same root that has kept men from God from the begining. Pride.

The thought that we so so evil an innocent animal has to shed his blood and that is the ONLY way I can be redeemed is foolish, Stupid, It gets people angry (its why the pharisees crucified Christ) How dare you.

Now let’s take that up a notch. And say we are so evil that God himself had ot take the form of man, and suffer that death in our place. And THAT was the ONLT means of salvation.

Now you have gone too far! How dare you say we are that evil! We MUST have something to do to make up for our wrongs! Pride refuses to acknowledge we are that evil. So it replaces this truth with religion.

All the worlds religion are based on this man made philosophy that I need to do things in order to make up for my own sins. From Paganism to their many sacrifices. To Judaism and their many laws and traditions. To Islam and its own works based religion. Then we have the religious Church from the Roman Catholic/orthodox churches and all of her Laws and traditions (only they call them sacraments) and her outreach branches who have their own form of religious way to get to God.

Just Like the pharisee who were so mad they had to kill christ and his followers. We see the same today. Pride is so deep they get angry when you call them out.. They don’t understand if Jesus was here today, they would do the same to him, because he would reject their self righteousness as a means to get saved (saying you must keep yourself saved is just another way to say you must get saved by works)

its sad.

You have no answer for the Scripture, so you resort to ad hominem. That's what's "sad".

 

[GracePeace]

Amen, The John 6 road of doing what we need to do to recieve the promises of God. That will will never hunger, never thirst. Never die, Live forever. have eternal life and have his assurance we WILL be raised as apposed to being DELIEVERED to him for judgment

Nope, it says "is coming to Me"--ongoing present tense action--which just gets you back to square one: abiding is necessary for eternal life.

 

[GracePeace]

Galations would be a good book for them to read. Especially the first part. About doing to the gospel of Christ. And begining in the spirit. But needing to perfect that in the flesh.

Nope, Paul's objection is to them being under the Law (Gal 4:21), and his solution is not "Christ alone", it's "serve one another through love".

 

[GracePeace]

WOW,

so now it all comes together. You were not mad at me because I said something, you were mad because what I said hit you also..

Abiding in the vine is not what we do to be saved. It’s what we do to grow in Christ.

To you, then, being severed from Christ and thrown in the fire is not a salvific issue. OK. I'm sure any reasonable reader can be trusted to see through such nonsense.

There will be many babes in Christ who will not see much reward in heaven because they did Not grow much. But Jesus will tell no one who was born again to depart.. He said HE NEVER KNEW THEM, and he also said THEY PRACTICED UNRIGHTEOUSNESS

Both are things for non believers. A child of God cannot practice sin as John tells us, and for Jesus to say he NEVER knew us if we were at one time saved, Jesus lied. Because HE WOULD HAVE known us at one time

1. Mt 7 is specifically about false prophets, but not all sinning Christians actually are false prophets, so the statement to them doesn't cover all Christians who sin.
2. God is able to forget righteousness, so He can say "I never knew you" to people who get "blotted out" of His book for sinning/not keeping His commands (Ex 32:33; 1 Jn 3:23,24).
This brings us to another deficiency in your view: Christ is "The same yesterday and forever", but your Christ does change, because He doesn't blot names out of His Book anymore (Ex 32:33). Mine does.

John also shows this when he wrote Jesus words. He who BELIEVES in not condemned, he who does NOT BELIEVE is CONDEMNED ALREADY.. For they have never met Christ.

We are not attacking the word of God. GracePeace is.. He is not offering either Grace or Peace.

Nope, the one who "is believing"--ongoing action in the present--which brings us to the topic of "abiding", so that we see eternal life hinges on it.

 

[GracePeace]

Amen! 1 John 5:11 - And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. Praise God! :)

Yup, whoever has the Son has the life, which is only in the Son. When have I ever denied this?

 

[Peterlag]

Galations would be a good book for them to read. Especially the first part. About doing to the gospel of Christ. And begining in the spirit. But needing to perfect that in t

Well, all, I can do is point to the actual language, which is clear.

I gave an example, too.

The Galatians were sons of God through faith in Christ, THEREFORE God sent the Spirit of His Son into their hearts.

Again, the Spirit is in Christ--the branches abiding in the Vine are supplied with the substance that is in the Vine. If they don't abide, they're not supplied, then they can't bear fruit, and they're cut off and thrown in the fire.

I stand by that.

Do you have a verse that says we are not supplied and cut off if we don't abide in him?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Do you have a verse that says we are not supplied and cut off if we don't abide in him?

He damned many in the galations church and called them fools..

These people were not children of God. I do nt know what that Guy thinks they were. Since when is a person who has a different gospel and Paul said to damn them, a child of God?

 

[GracePeace]

He damned many in the galations church and called them fools..

These people were not children of God. I do nt know what that Guy thinks they were. Since when is a person who has a different gospel and Paul said to damn them, a child of God?

They had already believed the Gospel and received the Spirit (3:1-3)--after believing and receiving the Spirit, they were accounted as having "ran [the race of faith] well" but then were "hindered" (5:7), thus were "severed from Christ" (5:4) and were "deserting God" (1:6).

You can't desert God if you were never with Him, nor be severed from something you're not attached to.

 

[GracePeace]

Do you have a verse that says we are not supplied and cut off if we don't abide in him?

Jesus is the Vine, we are the branches. Branches that abide in the Vine are supplied with the substance that is in the Vine, and are able thereby to bear fruit; branches that do not abide are not supplied with the substance that is in the Vine, and are incapable of bearing fruit.
Branches that don't bear fruit are cast forth as branches and are dried and are burned.

The "little children" are therefore warned to "abide in Christ" so as to not be ashamed at His appearance ("shame" is a quality of the damned (Dn 12:2), not those who live) (1 Jn 2:28). We are also told what is leading them away from abiding in Christ: idolatry (1 Jn 5:21). For instance, the false Gospel was a "persuasion" that did not "come from Him Who calls you" (Gal 5:8), so it was from a demon (1 Ti 4:1), and "the idols the nations worship are demons", so they "wickedly departed from God" (Ps 18:21; Gal 1:6, 5:4) by that form of idolatry, by unbelief.

But, more to the point, Galatians 5:4 says they were "severed from Christ", and Romans 11:17-23 warns the Gentiles they will be "cut off" if they do not remain in faith.

 

[Peterlag]

Jesus is the Vine, we are the branches. Branches that abide in the Vine are supplied with the substance that is in the Vine, and are able thereby to bear fruit; branches that do not abide are not supplied with the substance that is in the Vine, and are incapable of bearing fruit.
Branches that don't bear fruit are cast forth as branches and are dried and are burned.

The "little children" are therefore warned to "abide in Christ" so as to not be ashamed at His appearance ("shame" is a quality of the damned (Dn 12:2), not those who live) (1 Jn 2:28). We are also told what is leading them away from abiding in Christ: idolatry (1 Jn 5:21). For instance, the false Gospel was a "persuasion" that did not "come from Him Who calls you" (Gal 5:8), so it was from a demon (1 Ti 4:1), and "the idols the nations worship are demons", so they "wickedly departed from God" (Ps 18:21; Gal 1:6, 5:4) by that form of idolatry, by unbelief.

But, more to the point, Galatians 5:4 says they were "severed from Christ", and Romans 11:17-23 warns the Gentiles they will be "cut off" if they do not remain in faith.

Oh boy where do I start. If you don't have the spirit of Christ. Then you are not in the vine and therefore have no everlasting life. The Gentiles are not Christian because they have not yet been born again. After you are saved with the spirit of Christ then you can bare fruit which is called the fruit of the spirit.