WWJD with LGBTQ?

[amigo de christo]

Yes, that is always the accusation that is meant to shut up those who would speak the truth. Again, nobody here is advocating mistreating anyone. But, it is good that you acknowledge that that these are "issues" that need to be dealt with. And instruction in the word of God is job #1 for any new believer, regardless of the type of sins they are coming out of. Not to condemn, but to wash with the washing of the water of the word.....washing one another's feet with it. God's word is cleansing and gives us strength against our sins....solid ground to walk on, and to know that yes this IS the way, walk ye in it.

Again you hit the spot . THIS is the accusation given . FROM the very accuser of the brethren himself .
And his men and women who do his bidding . You see not only does satan know how to guoate GOD is love
He also knows how to quoate accuser of the brethren . YET HE MAKETH those who correct sin and error
SEEM as the accuser of brethren . SO as the accuser of the brethren can lead all to thelie .
YOU see to todays generation of the inclusive rainbow many path love .
WHO HAS BECOME KNOWN as the accuser of the brethren and who has become known as the LOVE GOD .
IF you feel the need for me to explain that last line . BY GOLLY I SURE WILL .
WHO in todays rainbow all inclusive churches has become known as the accuser of the brethren
and who has become known as the GOD of love and the brethren of that SO CALLED LOVE .
YA GONNA SEE THERE BEEN A HUGE DELUSOIN that has indeed occured .
And This lamb wont tolerate the lie for one second .
YOU SEE , GO ahead , take a good long look around the churches and even the internet .
WHO IS now being called the GOD OF LOVE , WHO IS NOW being called the ACCUSER of the brethren .
GO ahead take a good long peek .
The accuser of the brethren in todays lovey do motto , ARE THOSE WHO DARE to correct sin
who dare to say there be ONLY ONE WAY TO GOD .
THE lovey do god , says ANY that accuse , aka CORRECT SIN , are accusers of the brethren
And if any dares to bring biblical truth to exopse error , GUESS WHAT THEY GET CALLED
YE ACCUSERS OF THE BRETHREN WHO HAVE NO LOVE .
SATAN HAS TAKEN CONTROL of the churches sister . HE produced an image OF HIMSELF
AND FOLKS UNDER IT think its GOD and its love .
ITS WORSE THAN YOU could even dare to imagine sister . Ol amigo wasnt nuts all those years ago
or all these years i been warning . THEY BEEN DUPED SIS .
DUPED .

 

[Lizbeth]

How did you arrive at that conclusion?
That is a myth (lie) taught to children.

/

I arrived at that conclusion easily because there is nothing new under the sun.

Do you mean you think the whole account of Noah and the flood is a myth? If that's the case you'd better have a good read of 2Peter 3. And what Jesus said about it too. Do you believe a day of judgment is coming for this world?

 

[Lizbeth]

Again you hit the spot . THIS is the accusation given . FROM the very accuser of the brethren himself .
And his men and women who do his bidding . You see not only does satan know how to guoate GOD is love
He also knows how to quoate accuser of the brethren . YET HE MAKETH those who correct sin and error
SEEM as the accuser of brethren . SO as the accuser of the brethren can lead all to thelie .
YOU see to todays generation of the inclusive rainbow many path love .
WHO HAS BECOME KNOWN as the accuser of the brethren and who has become known as the LOVE GOD .
IF you feel the need for me to explain that last line . BY GOLLY I SURE WILL .
WHO in todays rainbow all inclusive churches has become known as the accuser of the brethren
and who has become known as the GOD of love and the brethren of that SO CALLED LOVE .
YA GONNA SEE THERE BEEN A HUGE DELUSOIN that has indeed occured .
And This lamb wont tolerate the lie for one second .
YOU SEE , GO ahead , take a good long look around the churches and even the internet .
WHO IS now being called the GOD OF LOVE , WHO IS NOW being called the ACCUSER of the brethren .
GO ahead take a good long peek .
The accuser of the brethren in todays lovey do motto , ARE THOSE WHO DARE to correct sin
who dare to say there be ONLY ONE WAY TO GOD .
THE lovey do god , says ANY that accuse , aka CORRECT SIN , are accusers of the brethren
And if any dares to bring biblical truth to exopse error , GUESS WHAT THEY GET CALLED
YE ACCUSERS OF THE BRETHREN WHO HAVE NO LOVE .
SATAN HAS TAKEN CONTROL of the churches sister . HE produced an image OF HIMSELF
AND FOLKS UNDER IT think its GOD and its love .
ITS WORSE THAN YOU could even dare to imagine sister . Ol amigo wasnt nuts all those years ago
or all these years i been warning . THEY BEEN DUPED SIS .
DUPED .

Amen, totally agree brother, you're preaching to the choir. Truth is being thrown to the ground. Evil is being called good and good is being called evil. Many are not learning and obeying the true gospel anymore, they are just making it up as they go along - a religion of their own making. God is not in that and so it can't save anyone.

 

[Lizbeth]

So, fear is the best motivation for salvation?
I call that spiritual extortion. Believe or burn.

The "free gift" of eternal life?
Free unless you refuse it. Then it's hell to pay. Right?
Suddenly becomes very expensive.

Did Jesus die to save us from God?

/ @Saint of Light

Yes, He really did. He died to save us from God's wrath. Haven't you read that our God is a consuming fire? God's children need to fear/revere/respect Who He is, for their own good. He is a great and mighty King with the power of life and death in His hands. Do you have any clue Who you're dealing with and taking lightly?

Luk 14:31-33

“Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Won’t he first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand?

If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace.

In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.

Terms of peace.....terms of SURRENDER in other words. Best we bow down and surrender to the King who is much greater than us mere mortals. While that door is still open.

 

[St. SteVen]

Lizbeth said:
There were mockers in Noah's day too.

I arrived at that conclusion easily because there is nothing new under the sun.

The text in Genesis doesn't support that.
But it is common in children's books.

/

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
Did Jesus die to save us from God?

Yes, He really did.

Most Christians won't own that.

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Titus 2:11 ESV
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

/

 

[Lizbeth]

Y

Lizbeth said:
There were mockers in Noah's day too.

The text in Genesis doesn't support that.
But it is common in children's books.

/

You don't need to believe that if you don't want to. (even though experience and observation lets us know that human nature hasn't changed) But do by all means believe the scriptures that speak about mockers and scoffers, and all scripture.

 

[Lizbeth]

St. SteVen said:
Did Jesus die to save us from God?

Most Christians won't own that.

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Titus 2:11 ESV
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

/

Yes....not only for the Jews but also the nations (Gentiles). God has mercy on the Jews and on Gentiles through Jesus and the gospel..........and that is the only way mercy and salvation has become available to all who will believe, both of the Jews and of the Gentiles (of all nations) as well. Even though it came to the Jews first.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen, totally agree brother, you're preaching to the choir. Truth is being thrown to the ground. Evil is being called good and good is being called evil. Many are not learning and obeying the true gospel anymore, they are just making it up as they go along - a religion of their own making. God is not in that and so it can't save anyone.

Yes indeed dear sister i know you know it .
But for the sakes of others who might read it i say it .
So allow me some further words .
WHO in todays lovey do all inclusive church has become known as the accuser of the brethren
and who in todays lovey do all inclusive church has become known as the God of love .
THE BIBLICAL GOD , THAT DOCTRINE , THAT CHRIST and those who use HIS words of truth are all seen as THE ACCUSER to this generation .
And satan has become the God of love and open hearts and hugs to this generation .
IF folks dont believe that , THEN I challenge all here to go into these inclusive social gospel churches
and you say WHAT JESUS DID about HAVING to BELEIVE ON HIM and HOW bad it would be for those who denied HIM .
SEE WHAT THEY CALL YA .
BRING GODS HOLY AND PURE WORDS from that bible into their churches and YOU SEE what you get called .
HATER and accuser . YET DIDNT GOD HIMSELF , CHRIST HIMSELF and later the aposetls themselves SAY and INSPIRE THEM WORDS .
SO WHO are they really hating on . WELL HE WHO INSPIRED SUCH WORDS . WHICH WOULD BE GOD .
TRY bringing in what paul says in romans one into a rainbow church and see what you GET called .
TRY brining into an all inclusive social gospel chuch and say OTHER religions and etc need to repent and beleive TO BE SAVED
and SEE what they call YOU . THEN KNOW AND UNDERSTAND
their beef aint really with us , IT IS WITH HE WHO INSPIRED THAT TRUTH . BINGO .

 

[amigo de christo]

These lovey do , judge not , embrace rainbow and all path churches are LOVING SATAN and HATING GOD and HIS CHRIST .
and that is a fact .

 

[Wick Stick]

Good topic. There is SO much that can be said, but I want to focus on this:

Birth sex is determined by what is between your legs; gender identity is determined by what is between your ears.

What is between a person's ears is determined to a large degree before birth. During pregnancy, somewhere around week 25-27, the brains of male (XY) embroyos experience a surge of hormones, among them testosterone and androgen. These change the brain substantially.

I'll explain this the way it was explained to me... All men are born brain-damaged.

Hopefully you laughed, but this is basically... true. The connective tissue that causes allows the two halves of the brain to communicate is damaged (more kindly: altered) in male infants before birth.

The effect of this is that men (especially young men) gain the (dis?) ability to think with just half their brain at a time. There is all sorts of psychobabble about people being right-brained or left-brained. Most of it isn't very accurate, but there is a kernel of truth on which it is built.

Because men can suspend half their brainpower and think ONLY with the logical part of their brain, or ONLY with the creative part... we tend to go to extremes that no sane woman would ever attempt. A young man obsessed with his career will work 120 hours a week; not many women will do that. Historically - there is no female Hitler in history. There's also no female Michaelangelo, or Einstein, or Stalin. (All women are both-brained - both halves of their brain work together, all the time).

For some men, this can become a pattern of thinking and they become dominant in using one part or the other. Others are able to flip back and forth between the two. Men who use the creative parts of their brain tend towards homosexuality or bisexuality. Men who spend the majority of time in abstract and/or logical thought tend towards heterosexuality.

Further, as men age, the brain heals (re-connects) itself. Young men have amazing potential, both for good and evil. Most crimes are committed by young men. But men over 40? They don't commit many crimes, and they usually don't set the world on fire, either. By the time you're 80, your mind will be essentially the same as that of a woman the same age.

For me, THIS is important for gender, but nobody is talking about it. I guess it isn't PC to suggest that biology determines such things before birth... A google search for those who want the rabbit hole.

at what week of pregnancy are male embryos brains affected by androgen - Google Search

www.google.com

Finally, why the heck do I know any of this? I have a cousin who was born extremely pre-maturely. He is biologically male. But his brain never experienced that surge of androgens and testosterone. So he's got the mind of a woman. He's married to a woman. He's a good Christian lesbian man.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yeah dont heed satans science falsey so called . HEED rather the WORDS of GOD .
LET no man spoil you through VAIN philospophy
through science FALSELY SO CALLED .

 

[St. SteVen]

By the time you're 80, your mind will be essentially the same as that of a woman the same age.

There's a scary thought. - LOL

/

 

[St. SteVen]

Finally, why the heck do I know any of this? I have a cousin who was born extremely pre-maturely. He is biologically male. But his brain never experienced that surge of androgens and testosterone. So he's got the mind of a woman. He's married to a woman. He's a good Christian lesbian man.

LOL

/

 

[St. SteVen]

I'll explain this the way it was explained to me... All men are born brain-damaged.

Hopefully you laughed, but this is basically... true. The connective tissue that causes allows the two halves of the brain to communicate is damaged (more kindly: altered) in male infants before birth.

Reminded me of this great series.

/

 

[marks]

- Birth sex is determined by what is between your legs; gender identity is determined by what is between your ears.

There's the lie. If your "gender identity" doesn't match what's between your legs, you are mentally ill. Plain and simple.

So . . . let's change the application slightly. What happens when you treat mentally ill people as though they are mentally healthy? What about with schizophrenia? Depression? What about someone who identifies as a fish and keeps trying to live underwater?

Do you see how ridiculous it is for a man to believe he's a woman? It's a pack of lies! Going along with it is hatred for those deceived by it.

Much love!

 

[Wick Stick]

There's the lie. If your "gender identity" doesn't match what's between your legs, you are mentally ill. Plain and simple.

But it isn't simple. There is such a mental illness - gender dysphoria. About half of 1% of people have it, and that estimate is liberal. Yet we have thousands upon millions of (mostly young) people who are identifying as a gender other than they had when they came out of the box, so to speak.

That isn't gender dysphoria. Not a mental illness. That's something else.

 

[Lizbeth]

Good topic. There is SO much that can be said, but I want to focus on this:

What is between a person's ears is determined to a large degree before birth. During pregnancy, somewhere around week 25-27, the brains of male (XY) embroyos experience a surge of hormones, among them testosterone and androgen. These change the brain substantially.

I'll explain this the way it was explained to me... All men are born brain-damaged.

Hopefully you laughed, but this is basically... true. The connective tissue that causes allows the two halves of the brain to communicate is damaged (more kindly: altered) in male infants before birth.

The effect of this is that men (especially young men) gain the (dis?) ability to think with just half their brain at a time. There is all sorts of psychobabble about people being right-brained or left-brained. Most of it isn't very accurate, but there is a kernel of truth on which it is built.

Because men can suspend half their brainpower and think ONLY with the logical part of their brain, or ONLY with the creative part... we tend to go to extremes that no sane woman would ever attempt. A young man obsessed with his career will work 120 hours a week; not many women will do that. Historically - there is no female Hitler in history. There's also no female Michaelangelo, or Einstein, or Stalin. (All women are both-brained - both halves of their brain work together, all the time).

For some men, this can become a pattern of thinking and they become dominant in using one part or the other. Others are able to flip back and forth between the two. Men who use the creative parts of their brain tend towards homosexuality or bisexuality. Men who spend the majority of time in abstract and/or logical thought tend towards heterosexuality.

Further, as men age, the brain heals (re-connects) itself. Young men have amazing potential, both for good and evil. Most crimes are committed by young men. But men over 40? They don't commit many crimes, and they usually don't set the world on fire, either. By the time you're 80, your mind will be essentially the same as that of a woman the same age.

For me, THIS is important for gender, but nobody is talking about it. I guess it isn't PC to suggest that biology determines such things before birth... A google search for those who want the rabbit hole.

at what week of pregnancy are male embryos brains affected by androgen - Google Search

www.google.com

Finally, why the heck do I know any of this? I have a cousin who was born extremely pre-maturely. He is biologically male. But his brain never experienced that surge of androgens and testosterone. So he's got the mind of a woman. He's married to a woman. He's a good Christian lesbian man.

The problem with science though it may be useful up to a point for this natural world, is that it ignores and cannot measure or observe spiritual realities. What is observable and measurable by science is only the surface of what is going on. As the scriptures show, there is the natural realm and there is a spiritual realm. The bible also tells us that the natural man cannot receive the things of the Spirit.....the carnal (natural) mind of man can't perceive them. Why did Jesus talk about needing eyes to see and ears to hear? We are told to walk by faith (Spirit) not by natural sight.

The spiritual realm has very real affects on the natural realm.....devil/demons can and do cause all kinds of havoc, and did, beginning with the fall of man. But Jesus was given all power/authority over the spiritual and natural realms by the Father, and He has delegated that to His church.....healing the sick and oppressed, casting out devils and restoring wholeness/soundness to people. Problem is the church isn't walking in all the power that has been made available to us. Can be for a variety of reasons - we are battling an enemy - but part of it nowadays is because of false doctrine.....not knowing or believing the truth of what GOD says and instead embracing what the world and carnal mind says about things, and because of sin in the camp.

Please test this but I wonder also if another part of it is that when God has decided to judge and chastise a society or nation, or His church in general, not as many people will be getting saved and healed.....He withdraws His Spirit. Kind of like a vicious cycle..? There are times and seasons. Why did Jesus say the love of many will grow cold near the end? It is hard to stay encouraged when we are living in a time/season of great darkness and not seeing the Lord move very much. We need to stay close to the Lord like never before, we're even being tested in this time...and as David wrote in the Psalms, to encourage and remind ourselves of things He has done in the past. "Go my people enter your rooms and shut the door until my wrath passes by." I think of Simeon and Anna hunkering down in the temple , drawing near to God praying and waiting, for the better part of their lives, until Jesus finally came into that time of darkness in Israel.

 

[Lizbeth]

These lovey do , judge not , embrace rainbow and all path churches are LOVING SATAN and HATING GOD and HIS CHRIST .
and that is a fact .

2Pe 2:14-29

Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

2Pe 2:16-20

But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.


2Th 2:10-12

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



Eze 9:1-10

He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.

And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn (word of God!) by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.

And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;

And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:

Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.

And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?

Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The LORD hath forsaken the earth, and the LORD seeth not.

And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.



These are such terrible sad times when the glory of the Lord is departing His house and He Himself is blinding the eyes of His people that they can’t hear or see the truth, because they love it (Him) not. But notice what spares a remnant – the word of God (truth) that the slain refused to receive and love.

 

[amigo de christo]

The problem with science though it may be useful up to a point for this natural world, is that it ignores and cannot measure or observe spiritual realities. What is observable and measurable by science is only the surface of what is going on. As the scriptures show, there is the natural realm and there is a spiritual realm. The bible also tells us that the natural man cannot receive the things of the Spirit.....the carnal (natural) mind of man can't perceive them. Why did Jesus talk about needing eyes to see and ears to hear? We are told to walk by faith (Spirit) not by natural sight.

The spiritual realm has very real affects on the natural realm.....devil/demons can and do cause all kinds of havoc, and did, beginning with the fall of man. But Jesus was given all power/authority over the spiritual and natural realms by the Father, and He has delegated that to His church.....healing the sick and oppressed, casting out devils and restoring wholeness/soundness to people. Problem is the church isn't walking in all the power that has been made available to us. Can be for a variety of reasons - we are battling an enemy - but part of it nowadays is because of false doctrine.....not knowing or believing the truth of what GOD says and instead embracing what the world and carnal mind says about things, and because of sin in the camp.

Please test this but I wonder also if another part of it is that when God has decided to judge and chastise a society or nation, or His church in general, not as many people will be getting saved and healed.....He withdraws His Spirit. Kind of like a vicious cycle..? There are times and seasons. Why did Jesus say the love of many will grow cold near the end? It is hard to stay encouraged when we are living in a time/season of great darkness and not seeing the Lord move very much. We need to stay close to the Lord like never before, we're even being tested in this time...and as David wrote in the Psalms, to encourage and remind ourselves of things He has done in the past. "Go my people enter your rooms and shut the door until my wrath passes by." I think of Simeon and Anna hunkering down in the temple , drawing near to God praying and waiting, for the better part of their lives, until Jesus finally came into that time of darkness in Israel.

Yes indeed dear sister . And what did the apostel paul , under influence of the SPIRIT , write to the churches .
To let no man spoil you through vain philosphy .
In another place he warns about SCIENCE falsey so called and how they have erred from the faith .
WE do NOT take our cues from science , from men at all .
We take our TRUTH from the WORD and words of GOD , that do not change .
The philosophies and sciences of men WILL always change , because it is of men .
Even in the last fifty years we have seen a shift in physcologies and sciences etc
Used to be even they would have labeled this stuff mentally ill , yet now they too are more and more approving it
and etc .
The philosophies of men will always change to adapt to the times . THE WORD of GOD REMAINS CONSTANT and TRUE
We lambs are gonnna stick to the BIBLE . Yep , you hit the nail right in my dear sister .