Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

[amigo de christo]

He was not angry at his son..

He put his wrath that we deserve on his son. so we could be saved.

its Called the love of God

FOR I DO ALWAYS THOSE THINGS PLEASING TO HIM .
Yes indeed dear friend , GOD WAS NEVER ONCE ANGRY WITH JESUS .
And every man shall be scattered . YET I AM NOT ALONE for the FATHER IS WITH ME
FOR I DO ALWAYS THOSE THINGS PLEASING IN HIS SIGHT .
THIS IS MY WELL BELOVED SON , HEAR HIM .
Who on earth tried to say GOD was angry at THE SON . i marvel at the things folks will beleive
in order to try and justify a lie .

 

[Behold]

That is your conjecture.

Where did the suffering occur, that is the "cup"?

From .... Gethsemane, to the Trial, to the beating, to the whipping, to the Cross, to the death.

What is all that?

="Cup".

Its God's wrath poured out "the Cup"... against the sin of the world, ON Christ., as the suffering.

They are not separated.

Its not ether, or.

Its not.. this or that..

They are both, the "cup"..... the same......one is the result of the other.

cause and effect, @MatthewG

Its Jesus REAPING what every sinner has SOWN....as God's judgment against the sin of the world.

He endured it = "cup".

 

[MatthewG]

Where did the suffering occur, that is the "cup"?

From .... Gethsemane, to the Trial, to the beating, to the whipping, to the Cross, to the death.

What is all that?

="Cup".

Its God's wrath poured out "the Cup"... against the sin of the world, ON Christ., as the suffering.

They are not separated.

Its not ether, or.

Its not.. this or that..

They are both, the "cup"..... the same......one is the result of the other.

cause and effect, @MatthewG

Its Jesus REAPING what every sinner has SOWN....as God's judgment against the sin of the world.

He endured it = "cup".

I would just like to see you answer my question. What makes you think that Yahava was mad enough at his Son to pour wrath out on him? He never sinned… There is the cup of suffering and the cup of wrath. I believe Yeshua took on the cup of suffering, and the Nation of Israel for their actions took on the cup of wrath. This is why people need to be careful on who they listen to on the internet. Maybe I am wrong; but You could also possibly be wrong to, sir.

 

[amigo de christo]

THE FATHER was NEVER ANGRY at the SON .
Folks forget so quickly that this was the PLAN OF GOD ALL ALONG . TO SEND THE SON
to fullfill the law , to also pay the price so as all who do believe would be saved .
IT WAS GODS PLAN all along . He was NEVER angry with JESUS CHRIST , no not even for a mill second .
IT WAS SIMPLY HIS PLAN SO as THOSE WHO DO BELIEVE would be saved from the righteous judgment of GODS wrath .
OH yeah EVEN THE JUDGMENT OF GOD IS RIGHTEOUS and WE ALL EARNED IT TOO .
OH THANK GODFOR HIS GRACE IN JESUS CHRIST isall i can say . NOW LET THE KING BE PRAISED

 

[MatthewG]

He was not angry at his son..

He put his wrath that we deserve on his son. so we could be saved.

its Called the love of God

That doesnt make sense. There are two cups incase you did not know. Cup of suffering and cup of wrath. Its good to study these things… people who choose to not study or seek for truth will continue to believe lies that they have formed in their mind or have gotten off of others. I cant make you choose which one makes more sense but it makes much more sense that Jesus took on the cup of suffering.

 

[amigo de christo]

Dance a jig o praise unto the glorious LORD . THE LOVE OF GOD unto the world , HE SENT JESUS CHRIST
who has paid the price of the sins of the world that all who do BELIEVE would not PERISH
but have eternal life .

 

[Behold]

I. What makes you think that Yahava was mad enough at his Son to pour wrath out on him?

Jesus died, not because God was "mad at Him"... but because "God so loved the world that He Gave Jesus to the Cross, for our sin, so that we could become God's".

Did you ever read John 3:16.... ???

You should.

See, Jesus is God's Love offering, that satisfies God's judgement against our sin.
Its God' Son being given for our sin, = Jesus is sacrificed instead of US being Damned for eternity.

Understand yet , @MatthewG ???

"For God SO LOVED the world that He GAVE His only begotten Son"... = for our sin.... TO THE CROSS.

That's a LOVE offering for you and me.

"God is LOVE".

So, why you see this as "God was mad with Jesus".......... vs God's Love, is a very bizarre concept you have been taught.
And you have a lot of those in your HEAD..., Mr Preterist. Mr No Hell... Mr No Devil

A LOT.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus died, not because God was "mad at Him"... but because "God so loved the world that He Gave Jesus to the Cross, for our sin, so that we could become God's".

Did you ever read John 3:16.... ???

You should.

See, Jesus is God's Love offering, that satisfies God's judgement against our sin.
Its God' Son being given for our sin, = Jesus is sacrificed instead of US being Damned for eternity.

Understand yet , @MatthewG ???

"For God SO LOVED the world that He GAVE His only begotten Son"... = for our sin.... TO THE CROSS.

That's a LOVE offering for you and me.

"God is LOVE".

So, why you see this as "God was mad with Jesus".......... vs God's Love, is a very bizarre concept you have been taught.
And you have a lot of those in your HEAD..., Mr Preterist. Mr No Hell... Mr No Devil

A LOT.

Im gonna just ignore you man. You are unable to communicate properly. I hate that you are unable to do that but that is by your choice and decisions.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That doesnt make sense. There are two cups incase you did not know. Cup of suffering and cup of wrath. Its good to study these things… people who choose to not study or seek for truth will continue to believe lies that they have formed in their mind or have gotten off of others. I cant make you choose which one makes more sense but it makes much more sense that Jesus took on the cup of suffering.

It does not make sense?

The penalty of sin is death, Jesus as lamb of God came to take the sin of the world (the penalty which is death)

Thats the word. we do not have to agree with it, But thats the word

 

[Ritajanice]

JOHN gives us the answer . IF that which ye have heard in the Beginning shall remain in you ,
THEN ye shall continue in the SON . THE GOSPEL . yet many are taking off after another all inclusive gospel
they do not remain in the orginal gospel , they were not OF US . The all inclusive false love gospel
that accepts certain sins and many paths to GOD . IS A LIE FROM THE SERPENT .
IF that which ye have heard from THE BEGINNING shall remain in you , YOU SHALL CONTINUE IN THE SON and IN THE FATHER .
So if i ever hear once that all inclusive false love go spell from hell , ITS GONNA BE REBUKED MASSIVE .
so allow me some parting words . JESUS NEVER said unbeiving jews were TRULY OF GOD
so why then are folks buying into the lie of the abraham peace accords and claim musims and other religons
know God and have their own path to HIM . ITS A LIE and IT AINT THE GOSPEL .
ITS THE GOSPEL of JESUS CHRIST WE MUST CONTINUE TO BELIEVE . but many who now claim HIS NAME
believe in this other fake love universal broad way to GOD LIE from the dragon . NOT THIS LAMB .
NOR SHOULD ANY LAMB . they came out from amongst us cause they were NEVER OF US .
THIS IS the WORKING OF THE SPIRIT OF ANTI CHRIST who has come to lead the world and religoins to JOIN AS ONE
under THE BEAST and to come full force against the TRUE CHRIST and the lambs .

Jesus says it even better.


You must be ” Born Again “ to see the Kingdom of God....he doesn’t say you must be “ Enlightened “ ..you must be Born of God, by the Holy Spirit...Spirit gives birth to spirit....a living spiritual birth.

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◄ John 6:39 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. New Living Translation And this is the will of God, that I should not lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them up at the last day. English Standard Version And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. Berean Standard Bible And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day. Berean Literal Bible Now this is the will of the One having sent Me, that all that He has given Me, I should lose none of it, but will raise it up in the last day.

John 3:1-21

English Standard Version

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You Must Be Born Again​

3 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus[a] by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again[b] he cannot see the kingdom of God.”4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[c] 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You[d] must be born again.’ 8 The wind[e] blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
9 Nicodemus said to him, “How can these things be?” 10 Jesus answered him, “Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things? 11 Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know, and bear witness to what we have seen, but you[f] do not receive our testimony. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.[g] 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.[h]

For God So Loved the World​

16 “For God so loved the world,[i] that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. 19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. 21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”

 

[MatthewG]

It does not make sense?

The penalty of sin is death, Jesus as lamb of God came to take the sin of the world (the penalty which is death)

Thats the word. we do not have to agree with it, But thats the word

Got no issue with that.

The issue I have the theology of those who proclaim that God poured out his wrath on his Son. They are wrong, in my opinion. Like I stated, people who do not study their bible, will normally hold on to what they believe to be true, from reading, or they will continue to believe what people say is true about what the bible says.

Therefore if people desire not to study their bible that is fine you can do that, however those who seek out God faithfully be rewarded, and truth will set a person free from all the religious garbage and bondage that people can cast a spell and have one under.

All the best to you and all; its an encouragement to get people who wanna study the bible to study it, and dont just believe what people say. In the end it will be: about having faith: loving Yahava first and loving your neighbor as yourself. It wont be about how popular one is or if they went with one crowd or the other crowd, or if they are accepted or rejected by their peers, or they agreed with me here or there; doctrinal differences abound aplenty.

 

[Ritajanice]

Where did the suffering occur, that is the "cup"?

From .... Gethsemane, to the Trial, to the beating, to the whipping, to the Cross, to the death.

What is all that?

="Cup".

Its God's wrath poured out "the Cup"... against the sin of the world, ON Christ., as the suffering.

They are not separated.

Its not ether, or.

Its not.. this or that..

They are both, the "cup"..... the same......one is the result of the other.

cause and effect, @MatthewG

Its Jesus REAPING what every sinner has SOWN....as God's judgment against the sin of the world.

He endured it = "cup".

Jesus took the sin of the whole world onto his shoulders...that is unimaginable....I cannot even think, what he must have gone through.

He sent his only Son to be slaughtered for us....what Mercy and Grace, is there Above that....that’s how much he loved despicable people like us.

Praise His Holy Name...and thank him for sending Jesus....for Without Jesus, there would be NO way back to the Father.

We would all be in permanent darkness and sin.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Got no issue with that.

The issue I have the theology of those who proclaim that God poured out his wrath on his Son. They are wrong, in my opinion. Like I stated, people who do not study their bible, will normally hold on to what they believe to be true, from reading, or they will continue to believe what people say is true about what the bible says.

Therefore if people desire not to study their bible that is fine you can do that, however those who seek out God faithfully be rewarded, and truth will set a person free from all the religious garbage and bondage that people can cast a spell and have one under.

All the best to you and all; its an encouragement to get people who wanna study the bible to study it, and dont just believe what people say. In the end it will be: about having faith: loving Yahava first and loving your neighbor as yourself. It wont be about how popular one is or if they went with one crowd or the other crowd, or if they are accepted or rejected by their peers, or they agreed with me here or there; doctrinal differences abound aplenty.

Jesus paid the penalty of sin.

God the father turned his back on him, You and I can not understand the pain he suffered. He literally cried in pain, My God My God why have your forsaken me.

Trying to understand spiritual things can be hard..

 

[Ritajanice]

Jesus paid the penalty of sin.

God the father turned his back on him, You and I can not understand the pain he suffered. He literally cried in pain, My God My God why have your forsaken me.

Trying to understand spiritual things can be hard..

Amen!!..and only the Holy Spirit can open up those spiritual words to our hearts, for us to understand,our heart must be opened by him to understand his words, @Eternally Grateful they are his Holy Living words the Bible.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus paid the penalty of sin.

God the father turned his back on him, You and I can not understand the pain he suffered. He literally cried in pain, My God My God why have your forsaken me.

Trying to understand spiritual things can be hard..

He did. Its a very sad event full of suffering @Eternally Grateful. All the best to you, and others.

 

[Peterlag]

here we go again.. Same thing he does to everyone.. its sad

You are considered losing any debate when you start attacking the person. You have nothing left because you can't win on the subject matter.

 

[Peterlag]

Amen, We abide after we have been attached to produce fruit, not to stay saved

You lost me. Are you saying we can loose salvation?

 

[amigo de christo]

It does not make sense?

The penalty of sin is death, Jesus as lamb of God came to take the sin of the world (the penalty which is death)

Thats the word. we do not have to agree with it, But thats the word

The WORD of GOD is the TESTIMONY of JESUS CHRIST , the glorious gospel that saves .
IF one believeth not that , it is because there is NO truth in them .
IF any comes and brings not the true gospel , the BELIEVE YE IN JESUS , HEED not a word they got to say .
Many now come who often use the name of JESUS , yet are brining in a go spell that is contrary to the ORGINAL one .
THESE wont be heeded peroid . IF a man cometh and is teaching that it is not necessary to believe on
JESUS to be saved , then that is a liar . If one comes in under the guise of what he or she calls love
and yet that love DONT REJOICE IN THE TRUTH but rather in a lie that has made the way to GOD broad .
THEN only the lake of fire awaits . Lest they repent of it . For all those who LOVED a lie .
WE SHOULD have LOVED THE TRUTH . CHARITY REJOICES IN TRUTH , not inquity and lies .
Even now there are many anti christs who are not OF US but are amongst the realm of christendom
to lead christendom and all religions of the world and the world to gather as one under what they believe is GOD
and is LOVE . ONLY ITS Neither

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are considered losing any debate when you start attacking the person. You have nothing left because you can't win on the subject matter.

which is why they start attacking. Amen..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You lost me. Are you saying we can loose salvation?

No,

its not about salvation. Its about fruit bearing