Walking in the Spirit is one and the same as keeping His commands : 1) believe in the name of God's Son and 2) love one another.
Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life
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The book of 1 John is laying out criteria for testing spirits (1 Jn 4:1). Specifically, the gnostic heretics taught "because the material world is inherently sinful" :
1) gnostic Christians never stop sinning, they will continue living sinfully
2) Christ didn't incarnate, because, if He had, He would've been sinful.
Thus John, addressing that heresy, says,
1) The one born of God does not continue in sin, and then stipulates "because His seed remains in him", and
2) Every spirit that confesses Christ has come in the flesh is of God.
However,
1. The heretics who taught the Galatians the false gospel that had to serve by the Law of Moses certainly taught that Christ had come in the flesh and had died for their sins, and yet Paul said they were teaching doctrine of demons ("This persuasion doesn't come from Him Who calls you"), so we know that not everything John says is to be taken as you are wanting it to be taken, "across the board", but that some of it is specifically aimed at specific heresies.
2. We know that not all remain in Him (1 Jn 2:28), and His Word in them (Jn 15), so, if they do not remain in Him, and His Word in them, God, as Ezekiel 3:20 says, "forgets" their righteousness (of faith), and their name is blotted out of God's Book ("the one who has sinned against Me I will blot out of My Book"), so that "I never knew you" and "they were never of us". It is as though they were never saved.
Those who remain in Him and His Word in them do not remain in sin, but not all remain in Him and His Word in them, as the parable of the sower shows (and these different heart conditions toward God's Seed/Word are not static conditions, the heart conditions can change--as Heb 3:12,13 says, "become hardened through the deceitfulness of sin"--they just describe different states of receptivity to God's Word that hearts can be in). This is the selfsame reason Paul says he himself can fall away from the faith if he doesn't make his body his slave: sin is deceitful, and when sin puts its deceit into the heart, the heart, ipso facto, doesn't harbor truth, and it ceases to be soft, loving, it becomes hardened, unloving and unbelieving ("love believes all things")--he himself could be deceived by sin and be "disqualified" for the "race" that is faith, and not be eligible for the life repaid those who live righteous lives through faith in Christ (Ro 2:6-16; Gal 6:6-10) not through the Law (Php 3:9).
We also know God has disinherited His children (Dt 14:1) before, and specifically for sinning (Dt 32:5; Hos 1).
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No, Paul didn't lie, you just don't understand what "salvation" is.
Salvation from slavery to sin and wrath on sinners was typed by the Jews' salvation from Egypt--still, after being saved by the blood of lambs (as we're saved by the blood of the Lamb), and being "baptized into Moses" (as we are baptized into Christ), and eating manna (a type of communion), they sinned and fell under God's wrath and forfeited the Promise, and Paul says this happened to them but was written down for us to show us the same can happen to us.
Eternally Grateful
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No you do not understand what salvation is
Jesus did not die to free us from the slaver of sin. He died as the lamb of God to take the penalty of sin.
and your right, Paul did not lie. But your belief makes him out to be a liar.
once again, you refuse to look at the passage.
its ok, i know why you wont. that is on you
Yes, I agree we are saved by grace through faith, not anything good we did--I'm not disagreeing with the verse, I'm agreeing with your verse; I'm only disagreeing with your definition of "saved", and with the implications you baselessly assert attend your false definition.
I have no idea why you think walking in the spirit is the same as keeping his commands. When I am close to the spirit of Christ, then I will function as a partner with the Lord whereby it becomes a joint effort. I believe the spirit of Christ is my new nature and therefore I have been able to function in it. To live in it, walk by it, and be in it. When I finally figured this out is when the lights turned on. Most of my life I believed I was in a battle between what I thought was my old man fighting against what I thought was my new man. Now I'm not fighting. I moved right in the darn thing. It seems to me one cannot walk in or by the spirit if our old nature (which is dead) thinks it's fighting against our new nature.
Eternally Grateful
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Yet you can not refute any passage I have given, or explain it to us.
you need to ask yourself why
Interesting report, Peterlag. Sometimes I enjoy my old dead body... darn thing likes to come back alive sometimes, gotta knock it out with some prayer and perspective, and put it back down in the grave with Christ, and step back into the new life, raising again to new spiritual things rather than the flesh.
Reminds me of Daniel, Daniel 1:8 - gotta make up ones mind.
You have no idea?
The Scripture already told you: only those who abide in Him receive His Spirit, and only those who obey Him abide in Him (1 Jn 3:23, 24).
LOL I already told you I agree with your passage, so "refuting" doesn't come into the equation.
Eternally Grateful
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But you do not agree with the passage, if you did, you would not contradict it.
Your just hiding my friend..
Eternally Grateful
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Well of course not. You have made it know you are right and everyone who disagrees with you is wrong. You have made that known in this chatroom and the other chatroom.
I do not expect to change your mind, I am here to warn others..
You say we are wrong. Yet you can not break down the passage for us and show us how we misrepresent what God said..
thats on you my friend.
Eternally Grateful
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Really?
Jesus said we will never die. You say we can still die
Jesus said we have eternal life, You say we may not have eternal life
Paul said we are saved by Grace through faith not work. You say we are saved by grace through faith plus works.
Eternally Grateful
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No you have not..The fact you can not see it is bothersome
Again, the eternal life is in Christ, but not all abide in Him, so, if they don't remain where the life is, they won't stay alive. Is that a difficult teaching?
Yes, you are bothered that your tradition is debunked.
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