Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

[Ritajanice]

I John 3:23-24 concludes a paragraph (I John 3:19-24) that tells us how we may know that we are in fellowship with God. Thus, our text deals with the role of the Holy Spirit in assurance of salvation. The Spirit enables us to know that God abides in us.

1 John 3​

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3 See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears,[a] we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.3 All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister

 

[MatthewG]

Since you have placed me on ignore, according to your private message you went out of your way to send to me to let me know you put me on ignore, you are not addressing the topic (which would require you addressing me), so, I would ask that you start your own thread and hold a discussion there instead of commandeering my thread, which is rude and disorderly.

It is understandable. Hey it is your thread. You do not desire for people to overcome and destroy it. It's understandable, but to have hope you are gonna be able to get people to not comment on a topic which is at hand which you created is silly in my opinion. However hope you get what you want, I will go ahead and just continue to leave you on ignore, and hope the best for you and your threads in the future. May others remember to quote you and either say they agree or disagree in order to keep things orderly and fashionable. Yahava guide you, and nothing but respect and love to you and all. Take care, Gracepeace.

 

[GracePeace]

I John 3:23-24 concludes a paragraph (I John 3:19-24) that tells us how we may know that we are in fellowship with God. Thus, our text deals with the role of the Holy Spirit in assurance of salvation. The Spirit enables us to know that God abides in us.

1 John 3:23,24 states that we are given the Spirit if we abide in Him, and abiding in Him hinges upon obeying His commands, and it details what His commands are: 1) believe in the Name of God's Son and 2) love one another.

We also know that not all abide in Him--eg, the "little children" are warned to abide in Him so that they will not be ashamed at His appearance (1 Jn 2:28). We are also told what it is that is drawing the "little children" away from abiding in Christ: "idolatry" (1 Jn 5:21).

There are two forms of "idolatry", corresponding to the two commands, that people might commit:

1. The Galatians were "deserting Him Who calls you in the grace of Christ", which "desertion" would, ipso facto, not be "abiding in Christ", and, so, they were said to be "severed from Christ". This is because "this persuasion does not come from Him Who calls you" (Gal 5:8). Where did it come from, then? Demons. "Doctrines of demons" (1 Ti 4:1). Scripture says "the idols the nations worship are demons". Therefore, if they are following "doctrines of demons", and, thereby, are deserting God, they are being drawn away from abiding in Christ by "idolatry".

2. Those who are "in Christ" have "no condemnation" (Ro 8:1), because "in Him there is no sin" (1 Jn 3:5); contrariwise, the believer who does not walk by faith (faith "works by love"--walking in faith is "walking in love", which is obeying Christ's command) is "condemned" for "sin", because "God's righteousness", whereby we are "justified" (Ro 3-5), is only revealed "from faith to faith", not by doubt (Ro 1:5,16,17, 14:5,23).
Accordingly, Paul warns the immoral Christian (who is not walking by faith, but walking after the flesh, therefore, in doubt (Ro 8:12,13)) that they are disregading not man but God "Who gives you His Spirit"--warning them that God will withhold His Spirit from those who are immoral, because they're not abiding in Christ, because they're not obeying Christ's command to "love one another", because they're not walking in faith, which "works by love" (Gal 5:6), but are walking in doubt (since God's Spirit, "the Spirit of Faith" (2 Co 4:13), will not supply them with faith to commit immorality--rather, they're "obeying unrighteousness" (Ro 2:8), disobeying the Spirit and obeying messages from their flesh to live for selfish pleasure).

 

[GracePeace]

I John 3:23-24 concludes a paragraph (I John 3:19-24) that tells us how we may know that we are in fellowship with God. Thus, our text deals with the role of the Holy Spirit in assurance of salvation. The Spirit enables us to know that God abides in us.

1 John 3​

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New International Version​

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3 See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears,[a] we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.3 All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister

It is good that you are at least addressing specific claims, but I would be most grateful if you would go all the way and actually quote what I've stated, so that readers could follow the discussion and understand exactly what claims you are replying to.

 

[GracePeace]

It is understandable. Hey it is your thread. You do not desire for people to overcome and destroy it. It's understandable, but to have hope you are gonna be able to get people to not comment on a topic which is at hand which you created is silly in my opinion. However hope you get what you want, I will go ahead and just continue to leave you on ignore, and hope the best for you and your threads in the future. May others remember to quote you and either say they agree or disagree in order to keep things orderly and fashionable. Yahava guide you, and nothing but respect and love to you and all. Take care, Gracepeace.

Think about it: I'm trying to have a discussion on specific points made in Scripture.

It's already difficult for people to accept when they're wrong.
It's already difficult to understand Scripture.

The last thing we need now is to ADD to that difficultly with every commenter treating the thread as if it's their own thread, having side discussions, raising their own points, preaching to their own choirs, failing to use quotes, so that the difficult discussion is never even able to be HAD.

 

[Rita]

@GracePeace i think you need to understand that debate means you are going to get different viewpoints that take a thread in different directions at times. You actually accuse others of flooding the debate because of this, when in reality it’s just part of debate. You have in fact flooded your own thread with complaints and presumed that I am here to monitor your thread personal and keep it the way you want it.

It might be an idea to check out other threads and see how they digress and change - it’s not against forum rules to do that. It’s equally not against forums rules to disagree with what someone has said. We all interpret scripture differently and therefore will reach different conclusions.
A healthy debate, and this applies to everyone, should be about weighing up and testing what has been said because there should always be an openness to learn from one another

 

[GracePeace]

@GracePeace i think you need to understand that debate means you are going to get different viewpoints that take a thread in different directions at times. You actually accuse others of flooding the debate because of this, when in reality it’s just part of debate. You have in fact flooded your own thread with complaints and presumed that I am here to monitor your thread personal and keep it the way you want it.

It might be an idea to check out other threads and see how they digress and change - it’s not against forum rules to do that. It’s equally not against forums rules to disagree with what someone has said. We all interpret scripture differently and therefore will reach different conclusions.
A healthy debate, and this applies to everyone, should be about weighing up and testing what has been said because there should always be an openness to learn from one another

I welcome dissent, I only ask that they quote what I've stated and address it, not flood the thread with every manner of commenting EXCEPT actually interacting with SPECIFIC CLAIMS, which is what will move the discussion forward.

I did "flood" my thread with complaints, because the commenters aren't listening, and I don't want to report them, because the thread will get shut down if I do.

All I'm asking is that if people are going to interact with the material in disagreement, then QUOTE me, and disagree--otherwise, they are just raising their own topics, which are tangential at best, AND no one joining the discussion is going to know what claims they're responding to, which is going to make it harder for readers to understand and follow the discussion.

I guess I may just have to keep posting the OP and other salient points, over and over, otherwise.

 

[Rita]

I welcome dissent, I only ask that they quote what I've stated and address it, not flood the thread with every manner of commenting EXCEPT what will move the discussion forward.

That’s making demands that they only discuss what you relay, members are free to quote what others say in a thread as well. That’s how it works on a forum.
Other members are also allowed to show they agree with what others have said.
Usually the debate gets back on track.

 

[Taken]

God supplies His Spirit to those who abide in Christ by obeying the Command: 1) believe in the Name of God's Son, and 2) love one another (1 Jn 3:23,24)--some do not abide (1 Jn 2:28), because they are led away by idolatry (1 Jn 5:21).

I've explained this over and over--clearly, you have not been reading, you've just been flooding the thread without being thoughtful and considerate to the person who authored the thread you're responding to.

Close…
A few things to receive Salvation now…
* Be willing to Pledge your bodily Life unto Death FOR your Belief in God. (Called your living sacrifice)
* Repent for having NOT believed.
* Do Gods works…which is Believe in the one God sent.
* Do a Service unto God….which is Call on Him, and Confess your heartful belief in God and the one He Sent. (Called your reasonable service)

And Yes, He thereafter does several works WITHIN you, and Yes His Spirit of Truth shall dwell WITHIN you. (Called Baptism of the Holy Spirit).

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[GracePeace]

That’s making demands that they only discuss what you relay, members are free to quote what others say in a thread as well. That’s how it works on a forum.
Other members are also allowed to show they agree with what others have said.
Usually the debate gets back on track.

I'm going to have to keep quoting the salient points, then. I'm not going to let these people bury the information.

 

[GracePeace]

Close…
A few things to receive Salvation now…
* Be willing to Pledge your bodily Life unto Death FOR your Belief in God. (Called your living sacrifice)
* Repent for having NOT believed.
* Do Gods works…which is Believe in the one God sent.
* Do a Service unto God….which is Call on Him, and Confess your heartful belief in God and the one He Sent. (Called your reasonable service)

And Yes, He thereafter does several works WITHIN you, and Yes His Spirit of Truth shall dwell WITHIN you. (Called Baptism of the Holy Spirit).

Glory to God,
Taken

Discussion is about continually receiving the Spirit by abiding in Christ.

As to "salvation": it's comparable to the Jews' salvation from slavery in Egypt, yet,
after having been saved, they lived in sin, and, so, fell under God's wrath and forfeited the promise made them, and this was written to teach Christians what will happen if we do the same (1 Co 9:26-1 Co 10).

 

[Taken]

Discussion is about continually receiving the Spirit by abiding in Christ.

Okay…Pardon me…

The Seven Spirits of the Lord are all the one same Spirit of the LORD.

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit begins with “the Spirit of the LORD ..aka…the Spirit of Truth”.
Isaiah 11:12 gives a run down of the Seven spirits…

1) The Spirit of the LORD
2) The Spirit of wisdom
3) The Spirit of understanding
4) The Spirit of counsel
5) The Spirit of power
6) The Spirit of knowledge
7) The Spirit of the fear of the Lord

In that respect, yes, the Spirit of Truth/the LORD Spirit in a man, continually is providing….
Wisdom, understanding, counsel, power, knowledge, and fear/ reverence due the Lord God Almighty.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Behold]

Discussion is about continually receiving the Spirit by abiding in Christ.

Reader,

If you've become the "temple of the Holy Spirit", then you dont have to worry about receiving the Holy Spirit., or falling out of it, or not "abiding" in it.

The born again are always "abiding" in the Spirit, as we have become "In Christ" and "one with God".

WELCOME TO : Salvation.

Its a : GIFT.

However, if you are like the Thread's Op, and obviously have no idea what it means to be "In Christ" and "one with God' then you will be very confused, also, regarding Salvation, abiding in Christ, walking in the spirit, and 'working out your salvation".

Now, many who are clueless, and turn to their commentary again for more false rescue.., or run to their cult's online SITE that has deceived them, will come and post 456 verses, that they can't understand, and then they say..."see there'...

:"Proved it"...

But they dont see anything, so, how can the blind prove anything, except to prove they are in the DARK, theologically and spiritually???
They are "blinded" regarding the Bible, the Holy Spirit, and regarding, even understanding the most basic idea of "born again"... = what that means.

In fact, they will have no idea what ALL that means, does, and includes... and continues..... yet, they will post their "argument" verses, that are CuT and pasted.
They have that "down pat".
But nothing else.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

1. The point that was made was that "heart conditions change" AS A RESPONSE to a point another user made. That was the discussion. The fact that some remained in sin was not relevant.

2. You are conspicuous for causing disorder, so I'm telling you at the outset not to do it. I already have had enough disorder with the people here, especially Rita Janice, and now starting with eternally grateful.

Lol, we need a " bless it's " emoji button.

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace.. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Romans 12:12 - Rejoicing in HOPE; patient in TRIBULATION; continuing instant IN PRAYER;

 

[GracePeace]

Okay…Pardon me…

The Seven Spirits of the Lord are all the one same Spirit of the LORD.

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit begins with “the Spirit of the LORD ..aka…the Spirit of Truth”.
Isaiah 11:12 gives a run down of the Seven spirits…

1) The Spirit of the LORD
2) The Spirit of wisdom
3) The Spirit of understanding
4) The Spirit of counsel
5) The Spirit of power
6) The Spirit of knowledge
7) The Spirit of the fear of the Lord

In that respect, yes, the Spirit of Truth/the LORD Spirit in a man, continually is providing….
Wisdom, understanding, counsel, power, knowledge, and fear/ reverence due the Lord God Almighty.

Glory to God,
Taken

Discussion is on the requirements for abiding in the Lord and therefore being qualified for receiving the Spirit (1 Jn 3:23, 24).

 

[Jay Ross]

9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

A better paraphrase of this verse in my opinion is:

1 John 3:9: - Whoever has been brought forth by God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been brought forth by God.

The process of being "born" is a rapid transformation for a baby, whereas by "being brought forth" is a much slower transformation which most people experience when they begin to turn back to God in their life's journey. This "being brought forth" is often a slow regeneration of the person and as such it occurs when we renew our minds and then begin to put on the refurbished personhood that God has intended us to be from the beginning of time.

Shalom

 

[GracePeace]

Reader,

If you've become the "temple of the Holy Spirit", then you dont have to worry about receiving the Holy Spirit., or falling out of it, or not "abiding" in it.

The born again are always "abiding" in the Spirit, as we have become "In Christ" and "one with God".

WELCOME TO : Salvation.

Its a : GIFT.

However, if you are like the Thread's Op, and obviously have no idea what it means to be "In Christ" and "one with God' then you will be very confused, also, regarding Salvation, abiding in Christ, walking in the spirit, and 'working out your salvation".

Now, many who are clueless, and turn to their commentary again for more false rescue.., or run to their cult's online SITE that has deceived them, will come and post 456 verses, that they can't understand, and then they say..."see there'...

:"Proved it"...

But they dont see anything, so, how can the blind prove anything, except to prove they are in the DARK, theologically and spiritually???
They are "blinded" regarding the Bible, the Holy Spirit, and regarding, even understanding the most basic idea of "born again"... = what that means.

In fact, they will have no idea what ALL that means, does, and includes... and continues..... yet, they will post their "argument" verses, that are CuT and pasted.
They have that "down pat".
But nothing else.

1 Jn 2:28,5:21 say "idolatry" causes "little children" to not abide in Christ--only those remaining in Him by obeying Him continue to receive the Spirit (1 Jn 3:23, 24), because the Spirit/eternal life is only "in His Son" (1 Jn 5:11).

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It's already difficult for people to accept when they're wrong.
It's already difficult to understand Scripture.

Here is the problem. GracePeace does not want to discuss anything. He wants to push his view on everyone. he wants control of the situation.

Then he got mad when everyone decided to continue to discussion with others who actually wanted to discuss it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That’s making demands that they only discuss what you relay, members are free to quote what others say in a thread as well. That’s how it works on a forum.
Other members are also allowed to show they agree with what others have said.
Usually the debate gets back on track.

he also asks us to quote what he said and discuss it. That is what we had been doing..

 

[GracePeace]

Here is the problem. GracePeace does not want to discuss anything. He wants to push his view on everyone. he wants control of the situation.

Then he got mad when everyone decided to continue to discussion with others who actually wanted to discuss it.

I'm asking you to interact with what I've stated.

If you disprove it, I'll accept it; when you're disproven, as you always are, you go off on a tangent. I'm trying to stop all the irrelevant tangents, because they suppress the information. You all love to bury the truth.