2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?
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Wrangler
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Is that what we are doing to you; harping on you all day?
We love you, man! We want only the best for you. I'll pray for you - even though you did not ask for it.
If you want to be left alone, going to an online forum all day is a funny way to show it.
Yes, and when they quench the Spirit more than they follow it, they may come up short when they run out of time during the quenching. Some people are swinging back and forth like yoyos. That is what I believe although I know some here would disagree.
It is hard to live for God easy, but easy to live for God hard. This is why lukewarm people so often find themselves in a whole lot of trouble with God. Of course many are likely unable to see their own problem.
| Pr 29:18 | Where there is no vision, the people perish: |
It should mean being always in the group with Jesus and His Father, but too often within what men call Christianity or Christendom, it comes down to meaning my assembly [church], or my family group, or my group of church "friends". It really is good to have friends, but we should be certain they are friends and that the cost of friendship is not too high.
Even Jesus did not. Is any one of us where Jesus was when he was walking on planet Earth as a man about 2,000 years ago?
| Pr 21:2 | Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts |
If the Rock is the Foundation consider what Paul was inspired to write here:
| 1co 3:11 | For other foundation can no man lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. |
| 1co 3:12 | Now if any man buildeth upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; |
| 1co 3:13 | Every man's work will be made manifest: for the day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will try every man's work, of what sort it is. |
| 1co 3:14 | If any man's work abideth which he hath built upon it, he shall receive a reward. |
| 1co 3:15 | If any man's work shall be burned, he will suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. |
With the proper foundation {Jesus] we are to be saved in spite of our shortcomings, but without that foundation, nothing else ultimately matters. Can a person lose the foundation and thereby his soul?
We need to love the Truth even if we do not know the Truth perfectly. What happens if people person meet Jesus and making him their first love but then follow the teachings of some man or men as to what and who Jesus is... and the teaching is in error?
| Re 2:3 | And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast labored, and hast not fainted. |
| Re 2:4 | Nevertheless, I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. |
| Re 2:5 | Remember therefore from whence thou hast fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come to thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of its place, except thou repent. |
I don't enjoy false humility. ( I also find no use in going to someone in a church who is deemed and elder or deacon ) When anyone can grab a bible and read it for themselves, and learn it, and also have the spirit, and are able to come to the over all conclusion (it's about loving God, and loving others).
People harping up on me cause I believe that we are to love God and love others (and understand that somethings you gotta let GOD DEAL WITH), cause you trying to do it yourself only leads to results like this. Failure.
Let go, and let God.
Wrangler
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We want you to enjoy TRUE humility.
Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly. Never be wise in your own sight.
Romans 12:16
Amen.
The truth is not everyone is your friend. There are people who will lie and manipulate you; just as I have done to many people. There are some that believe they need to have dominance over a persons faith, and that they need to believe everything they believe just exactly that way otherwise you are an enemy to them.
I truly do believe God loves everyone... otherwise he would have never sent his Son JEsus Christ, but some people say that you need to be a certain way for Jesus christ to accept you? Is that really true? While it's understandable our flesh can never inhereit the kingdom of God - It's only the spiritually built on the foundation of Christ the receive rewards (even if they struggled between the flesh and the spirit), I don't understand why people have such hatred toward people.
Even though I have had hatred towards people, and Paul had hatred towards Christians. It's out flesh, our pride, isnt it?
Thank God it's him looking at the heart, because there are people out there in dispositions that really have a desire to love God and they do it by loving others - if if their flesh fails.
Why do people think people need to perfect exactly like them or believe perfectly exactly like them?
I don't care if people choose not to consider the information given - it's up to them but God states to love people... love people means to love them... in the AGAPE Sense...
Why is it hard to grasp that love? That type of mentality of love that God is?
If they move off the foundation, and seek after the world, yes they most certainly can, what do you think?
Jesus loved us in our depraved state first... even praying for his Father to forgive the murderers who put him on the cross.
amigo de christo
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Wrangler I have trust issues, what is it you are wanting me to do exactly?
Why do you and others have such a 'concern' over me, for ? It does not make sense.
Are you wanting me to do something to make you guys happy? Change for you guys to be able to accept me? I don't get your thinking or logic.
How are you gonna get me to enjoy true humility? Accepting that we are to Hate because God hates? I don't think so, @Wrangler. God is love. The bible never says God is hate. And God's love is unchangeable.
David in NJ
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David in NJ
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Confession #2 - i did not read Post #7
Repentance #1 - i just now read Post #7 and will reply
Wrangler
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God sees use in getting wise council even if you don't
Proverbs 1:5 Let the wise listen to these proverbs and become even wiser.
Let those with understanding receive guidance
Proverbs 11:14 Without wise leadership, a nation falls;
there is safety in having many advisers.
Proverbs 12:15 Fools think their own way is right,
but the wise listen to others.
Proverbs 15:22 Plans go wrong for lack of advice;
many advisers bring success.
1 Kings 22:20-22 And the Lord said, ‘Who can entice Ahab to go into battle against Ramoth-gilead so he can be killed?’
“There were many suggestions, 21 and finally a spirit approached the Lord and said, ‘I can do it!’
22 “‘How will you do this?’ the Lord asked.
“And the spirit replied, ‘I will go out and inspire all of Ahab’s prophets to speak lies.’
“‘You will succeed,’ said the Lord. ‘Go ahead and do it.’
Wrangler
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Thank you for honoring us with the truth. :)
BECAUSE we love you, we want the best for you. And that includes transcending your trust issues.
By encouraging you to be strong in faith in Christ to heal the scars of the past and work toward transcending your trust issues.
A friend once told me why at 35 years of age, he never had a serious relationship. He confessed it was because he was lazy. But I think fear played a role also. Real relationships with people are messy. You have issues. They have issues. Together, friction is inevitable. Yet, the rewards are worth it. Is this not why Christ said not only to love God but others as yourself?
That is all good as long as the council as long as the person is not manipulating you, or telling you things that are not true, or doesn't even tell you to go and read the bible and encourage that they may be wrong.
That is what I see as wise council. I tend to have learned the bible a lot already, and believe Jesus Christ has had the victory over everything, and while you can consider what man may say - one should be willingly to see after God.
Thank you for the scriptures, but you surely understand where I am coming from. I understand you wanna try to ' get me on the right track ' but God will chasten me if he needs too, and you can surely understand that. I have a Father already, and he chastens me a lot.
I don't never hear anyone on here admitting their faults - but instead just tell other people what they should do... ya know?
This is not a church - this is an online forum board with faulty human beings who are not perfect, with different measures of faith, and of understanding.
Wrangler
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The opposite of love is not hate but indifference.
I don't trust you and rather you just leave me alone if you care to do that. Cause you don't know me man, you don't know my heart or anything. You can pretend like you know me but you do not.
Wrangler
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For sure!
I do hear people here admit their faults and struggles. Not so much on the debate or study forums but on the more personal forums. Perhaps you could start a thread with that topic?
Hmmm. I think this IS a church, a community of believers.
And the only kind of human being is the kind that is not perfect, with different measures of faith, and of understanding.
No, not everyone is our friend, even if we are doing our best to make it so. And again, yes, there are people who lie either purposely or in their errors/ We need to always stand on the Lord's side even when we have no direct easy answers to give to our opposers. If and answer is needed, God will provide that as well. There were times when Jesus spoke not a word. There is as Solomon wrote a thousand years before Jesus was born in Bethlehem that there is a time to be silent as well as a time to speak. God always knows which is needed.
God will accept a humble heart. If we cannot speak, He is able to read our hearts. People believe they need to be right in the conversation or argument. People need to be listening to God and obeying His voices always. Yesterday's answer may not for me in this moment be equal to today's answer to seemingly the same question.
What we need to overcome is not the sin, for which Jesus paid the price, but the sinful ways, the ways of men, which may not be in themselves, sin, but when followed they lead us to sin.
| 1jo 2:16 | For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. |
The world in that verse, I believe, is the world of each of us That is the world that Jesus overcame. Jesus did not overcome planet Earth. Each of us by the power of the Holy Spirit must also overcome our little world of me so that we are no longer led into sin.
| Joh 16:33 | These things I have spoken to you, that in me ye may have peace. In the world ye will have tribulation, but be of good cheer: I have overcome the world. |
Amen! God will fill in the slack if we are really trying to do the best than we can.
Whaat the scripture names as "perfect" is not, I believe, what men call "perfect". God is looking for a perfect effort from us based on what we have at the moment:
| Lu 12:48 | But he that knew not, and committed things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For to whomsoever much is given, of him shall much be required: and to whom men have committed much, from him they will ask the more. |
Give God the glory, my friend; give God the glory!
Things move fast around here.
Reminds me of ping pong. Best two out of three?
David in NJ
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i used to be pretty good at ping pong, hand ball, archery, skeet shooting, water skiing and ice hockey.
Now i just sit back and enjoy the pain that rips thru my body at times - fun stuff.
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