Waiting on him
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Is there one on this thread that could name a man in the Old Testament that was a son of God?
Reasons Jews Reject Jesus
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Waiting on him
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Waiting on him
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I’ve noticed you speak a lot about the the particular bible you study.
Luke 3:23 KJVS
[23] And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
How is this verse written in you bible?
Is what Luke wrote insufficient to establish the point?
I can’t think of a reference off the top of my head where God specifically calls Adam his son.
There are many passages of scripture where God refers to his children - sons and daughters. Would Adam not be included in those generic statements?
I study many translations of the Bible. The NASB is my workhorse translation for teaching and preaching. For private reading I often use the NABRE. At the moment, because of the daily Bible reading plan I’m using this year, I‘m reading the NLT One Year Chronological Bible.
I’m not sure how to answer that. Since I’m reading NLT this year, I guess I’ll quote it in response to your question.
“Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli,”
Waiting on him
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It just seems odd for it to be in parentheses in the KJV translation. Does this mean it wasn’t in the original text, and why give the genealogy of Joseph?
We can examine but, if remember correctly, it is Luke’s commentary on what he wrote.
Luke (and Matthew) are writing to persuade their readers that Jesus is a descendant of king David through his parents.
If David isn’t his ancestor then Jesus isn’t the Messiah.
One thing that is important to Jewish faith, is that you not use understanding of Jewish faith, to twist (that faith).
The reason Jews are so at-arms-length when it comes to Jesus, is simply because they don't want to be manipulated.
The reason Jews are so at-arms-length when it comes to Jesus, is simply because they don't want to be manipulated.
The true Jesus do not reject Christ Jesus at all in fact !
By the true Jews i mean The Servants of God Israel in fact !
Jesus pointed out who were of their Father the Devil who was a Murderer from the start as we see in who wanted to kill Holy Moses ! who killed Jesus in fact, also who worked to undermine the Jews in fact = in regards to Gods people ?
The First Christians were Jews in fact and the only people worthy of God is truly born again Christians for they are Israel = the Servants of God in fact !
Anyone who idolise the Jews is an Anti-Christ in fact. you idol what lacks in fact ! not to mention can not understand that who has undermined them in fact, for such a one must not understand the issue of the Jews that they faced, not to mention such a one would be so stupid that one could not understand the issue that Christian Churches face nowadays, for they have turned their backs on Christ Jesus in fact and are going along with this world because they are of this world.
So we see people idolise the Church nowadays and not Christ Jesus in fact, Why is this so, well it's because they have been lead astray just as the Jews were back in the days.
Most Christians nowadays are Anti-Christ in fact ! For if one said of one being an Anti-Christ they would not be offended by such ? but if one was to be said as an Anti-Semite that same would have a fit and be outraged ! Why because such a one is only religious ! and not truly born again, as such is from above ! so no wonder they are so Lost ! and taking the bate that this world plays to them, for this world is full of deceptions and delusions, this is why, for the carnal have not God ! This world is a sewer and most are on par with rats, for they abide in this world.
By the true Jews i mean The Servants of God Israel in fact !
Jesus pointed out who were of their Father the Devil who was a Murderer from the start as we see in who wanted to kill Holy Moses ! who killed Jesus in fact, also who worked to undermine the Jews in fact = in regards to Gods people ?
The First Christians were Jews in fact and the only people worthy of God is truly born again Christians for they are Israel = the Servants of God in fact !
Anyone who idolise the Jews is an Anti-Christ in fact. you idol what lacks in fact ! not to mention can not understand that who has undermined them in fact, for such a one must not understand the issue of the Jews that they faced, not to mention such a one would be so stupid that one could not understand the issue that Christian Churches face nowadays, for they have turned their backs on Christ Jesus in fact and are going along with this world because they are of this world.
So we see people idolise the Church nowadays and not Christ Jesus in fact, Why is this so, well it's because they have been lead astray just as the Jews were back in the days.
Most Christians nowadays are Anti-Christ in fact ! For if one said of one being an Anti-Christ they would not be offended by such ? but if one was to be said as an Anti-Semite that same would have a fit and be outraged ! Why because such a one is only religious ! and not truly born again, as such is from above ! so no wonder they are so Lost ! and taking the bate that this world plays to them, for this world is full of deceptions and delusions, this is why, for the carnal have not God ! This world is a sewer and most are on par with rats, for they abide in this world.
Nazi propaganda films and literature depicted the Jews as rats. Dehumanizing people holds open the door for evil to walk through. Atrocities committed against a people are indelibly imprinted on the minds of the people.
“Hello. I’d like to speak with you [rats - Jews, or non-Jews] this morning about Jesus.”
I hope that made the reader cringe. It made the writer cringe.
If a person believes that another views him or her in a dehumanizing way, that person will not be very receptive to having a conversation about Jesus.
In one of my earliest conversations with a Jew, the Jew asked me what I thought about Martin Luther. It didn’t immediately occur to me why the Jew would be curious about how I viewed Luther. I wanted to have a conversation about Jesus, not Luther. The Jew was testing my spirit.
“Hello. I’d like to speak with you [rats - Jews, or non-Jews] this morning about Jesus.”
I hope that made the reader cringe. It made the writer cringe.
If a person believes that another views him or her in a dehumanizing way, that person will not be very receptive to having a conversation about Jesus.
In one of my earliest conversations with a Jew, the Jew asked me what I thought about Martin Luther. It didn’t immediately occur to me why the Jew would be curious about how I viewed Luther. I wanted to have a conversation about Jesus, not Luther. The Jew was testing my spirit.
Waiting on him
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Israel did the same thing, but they claimed it was God telling them to murder their neighbors.
Jim B
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You are misreading those verses. Two separate things were set before people: a) life and blessing and b) death and cursing. You choose one or the other.
It is unfortunate that the King James translation separates everything into separate verses, as there was no such division in the source documents.
Here is Deuteronomy 30:19-20 in the NRSVue translation: I call heaven and earth to witness against you today that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Choose life so that you and your descendants may live, loving the Lord your God, obeying him, and holding fast to him, for that means life to you and length of days, so that you may live in the land that the Lord swore to give to your ancestors, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.”
Waiting on him
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In the New Testament John concludes that in Jesus is life…. This is their response
Matthew 27:25 KJVS
[25] Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
They should have chose life.
Waiting on him
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I’m not really certain where to begin. In my opinion the land God promised them wasn’t a literal piece of dirt over there. It was God in them, this was always the promise.
Take a look at what transpired there at Jericho. I can’t believe that God ordered them to murder women and children,,,, unless they were rats in His opinion, and I chose to believe differently.
Waiting on him
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In Genesis 13:14-17 God promises the land to Abram, tells him to look it over, and instructs him to walk around it. Not to deny or contradict a promise that God would be in him but it does sound like God is speaking here about a literal piece of land with boundaries.
Looking at this example, the text in Joshua reads that Yahweh instructed Joshua concerning what he was to do at Jericho. Scripture preserves a record for us of what Joshua and the Israelites did in response to what Yahweh commanded.
Numerous times in the Pentateuch God states his attitude toward the people of the land.
Israel, in this instance, obeyed God.
You say that you’ve chosen to think differently about the encounter at Jericho than scripture says God, Joshua and Israel did.
Why?
To do so we would have to conclude and assert that what scripture says about this event was falsified by someone. Once we start down that path we‘ve brought into question the reliability of all scripture.
If we can’t believe what scripture says about the Israelites at Jericho, what else can’t we believe that is written in scripture?
What I see in the Jericho incident is God acting through Joshua and Israel in a way which is consistent with what God says about his character in Exodus 34:6-7.
Waiting on him
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Jesus is the image of the invisible God as scripture states, and no one according to John had seen God at anytime. If I accept this as truth, then the account in the Old Testament there on the Jordan with Joshua has to be false, because it whorls be out of character with the God that Jesus declares.
Waiting on him
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Try to envision Jesus standing on the Jordan with a sword in his hand next to Joshua. Saying go murder those women and children?
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