Reasons Jews Reject Jesus

[Matthias]

John said it.

John said that the event was falsified?

 

[Waiting on him]

Read the Old Testament. There are many, many times that God tells the Jews to kill other people.

You should have no problem giving me an example then of Jesus telling his disciples to go and murder, yet when they want to he tells them you don’t know what spirit your of?

 

[Waiting on him]

Yes. What do you do with the texts that involve him doing so? Do you think they are falsified?

Jeremiah 7:22 KJVS
[22] For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
And they killed poor old Jeremiah.

 

[Waiting on him]

John said that the event was falsified?

John 1:17-18 KJVS
[17] For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. [18] No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

 

[Waiting on him]

Jesus, first born of the Father sent to reconcile all men to the true God.

 

[Matthias]

Jeremiah 7:22 KJVS
[22] For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
And they killed poor old Jeremiah.

We can address the meaning of the passage but what I’m trying to learn from you is what you do with the passages of scripture where Yahweh commands sacrifices.

 

[Matthias]

John 1:17-18 KJVS
[17] For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. [18] No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Moses says that he saw God but didn’t see God’s face. God said that man couldn’t see God’s face and live.

Do you simply dismiss Moses?

 

[Waiting on him]

Moses says that he saw God but didn’t see God’s face. God said that man couldn’t see God’s face and live.

Do you simply dismiss Moses?

Jesus saw the Father

 

[Waiting on him]

We can address the meaning of the passage but what I’m trying to learn from you is what you do with the passages of scripture where Yahweh commands sacrifices.

Psalm 51:16-17 KJVS
[16] For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it : thou delightest not in burnt offering. [17] The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

 

[Matthias]

Jesus saw the Father

Jesus is sitting at the Father’s right hand.

What I‘d like to know is what you do with Moses. Do you see him as being a trustworthy prophet of God?

 

[Matthias]

Psalm 51:16-17 KJVS
[16] For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it : thou delightest not in burnt offering. [17] The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Do you believe scripture contradicts scripture?

 

[Waiting on him]

Moses says that he saw God but didn’t see God’s face. God said that man couldn’t see God’s face and live.

Do you simply dismiss Moses?

I don’t dismiss Moses, what I do is I read Moses and in the reading of the Old Testament I see what is happening in the first century.

 

[Matthias]

I don’t dismiss Moses, what I do is I read Moses and in the reading of the Old Testament I see what is happening in the first century.

Do you believe that what Moses wrote / said is true?

 

[Waiting on him]

Jesus is sitting at the Father’s right hand.

What I‘d like to know is what you do with Moses. Do you see him as being a trustworthy prophet of God?

I see Moses as being an Egyptian, raised in the house of pharaoh, educated to the fullest about all of their culture. Writing on stones, worshiping false gods, and sacrificing animals to moloch. A man devoid the Spirit of God.

God speaking into the darkness that which was incomprehensible. Yet God did speak.

 

[Matthias]

I see Moses as being an Egyptian, raised in the house of pharaoh, educated to the fullest about all of their culture. Writing on stones, worshiping false gods, and sacrificing animals to moloch. A man devoid the Spirit of God.

God speaking into the darkness that which was incomprehensible. Yet God did speak.

Okay. Thanks.

 

[Waiting on him]

Do you believe that what Moses wrote / said is true?

Acts 7:42-43 KJVS
[42] Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness? [43] Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

Forty years, yet when John the Baptist came he was still crying in the wilderness?

 

[Waiting on him]

The law was given by Moses.

Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

 

[Waiting on him]

Okay. Thanks.

Your welcome,

Matthew 19:7-8 KJVS
[7] They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? [8] He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.


Are Gods laws founded by political pressures, or are the founded in mercies thruth and Grace?

 

[Matthias]

Acts 7:42-43 KJVS
[42] Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness? [43] Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

Forty years, yet when John the Baptist came he was still crying in the wilderness?

Yes.

I think your position on Moses - an extremely unusual one among Christians - would cause Jews to reject Jesus.

 

[Matthias]

Your welcome,

Matthew 19:7-8 KJVS
[7] They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? [8] He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.


Are Gods laws founded by political pressures, or are the founded in mercies thruth and Grace?

Given by God to Moses.