22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[Spiritual Israelite]

It's impossible to take the rants of a Catholic seriously when there are so many false doctrines in Catholicism.

Putting the pope and Mary on pedestals the way they do is a complete joke and not supported whatsoever by scripture. Purgatory is a joke and not something taught anywhere in scripture. Their beliefs regarding eating the actual body of Jesus and drinking His actual blood are a pathetic joke. Their belief that only the pope and other Catholic leaders can interpret scripture is a joke. The way their leaders dress all high and mighty while they act holier than thou is a joke. The way they equate tradition with scripture is a joke. I could go on and on with this, but it's not worth my time. Anyone with even a little bit of discernment can see how outrageous and ridiculous many of the things they believe are. But, we're supposed to take them seriously when they talk about what is counted as scripture and what isn't? Impossible.

 

[rwb]

No, I did not say "that time symbolized a thousand years is finished when the seventh angel begins to sound". The order is very simple. First, the thousand years occurs (not a literal one thousand years but it has a beginning and ending) and it expires. At that point Satan is loosed for a little season. Then at the end of the little season the seventh angel sounds his trumpet at which point Jesus descends from heaven, the resurrection of the dead in Christ occurs and we're all changed (1 Cor 15:51-52) and Jesus destroys His enemies followed by the judgment.

I may not have explained very clearly, but this is exactly what I've been arguing. The thousand years of symbolic time are finished when the seventh trumpet sounds, but Satan's little season is not during this symbolic time, it is after it expires. The seventh angel sounds (again, continuously???) the expiration of Satan's little season and Christ is seen in the clouds, resurrection of the dead & the living when we're changed and all the enemies of Christ destroyed, then comes the judgment.

I wasn't asking for your interpretation of Revelation 6:9-11, I was only asking how long you thought the "little season" referenced there would last. So, you say about 3 1/2 years. Yet, you seemingly have Satan's little season only lasting a few days. Is that right? If so, why would a little season be 3 1/2 years in one situation but only a few days in another?

I don't believe Scripture reveals the exact amount of time the little season is for either of these events. My point for explaining what I believe regarding this passage (Rev 6) of Scripture was because I wanted to show why I believe these souls are Old Covenant saints, who could not ascend to heaven until Christ literally came, went to the cross and resurrected. I believe I've argued my opinion for 3 1/2 years from my study of Scripture. But I also indicated the reference point for this time could have begun with the birth of Christ. Just not sure if it could be argued that appx 33 1/2 years equates to a little season??? But I am not able to make an argument from Scripture for or against 3 1/2 years for Satan's little season after a thousand years have expired. So, no, I have never given an opinion that Satan's little season would last only a few days.

 

[covenantee]

It's irrelevant.

Ut doesn't matter if Bellarmine thought the Pope was Mickey Mouse.
He wasn't a Pope - NOR did he possess the charism of infallibility. These aren't official teachings of the Catholic Church - but ONE man's opinopn.

I like the way you completely RAN AWAY from the historical facts about your Protestant OT Canon, though. Good hob . . .

It's anything but irrelevant when one of your putative "canonized" "doctors of the church" deifies someone, not as just any god, but as no less than the Lord God Himself. It is the consummate blasphemy.

Did the popes reject Bellarmine's deification of them?

Provide a name, date, and verbatim quote of just one pope publicly rejecting Bellarmine's deification of them.

Just one.

Thank God for the Reformation.

 

[rwb]

No, I did not say "that time symbolized a thousand years is finished when the seventh angel begins to sound".

When I write time, symbolized a thousand years, its to distinguish a thousand years from ALL time! IOW a thousand years symbolizes time from the first advent to the sound of the seventh trumpet. That (a thousand symbolic years) is the time that shall be no longer, because that is when the mystery of God should be finished. John connects the seventh trumpet sounding with the finish of the mystery of God He had declared to His servants the prophets. They mystery that had been hidden, that has been revealed from the coming of Christ and the outpouring of the Spirit is that Gentiles of faith, with Jews of faith would complete the Kingdom of God by hearing the Gospel and believing.

Romans 11:25 (KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Romans 16:25-26 (KJV) Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Ephesians 3:3-6 (KJV) How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Colossians 1:26-27 (KJV) Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

These passages prove that when John writes "that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets", the time that expires in the days the seventh angel begins to sound is the time given the church to preach the Gospel unto all the earth to the nations (Gentiles), and when the last Gentile to be saved comes into the Kingdom of God, the mystery is finished, and time for proclaiming the Gospel is no longer.

I agree Scripture is clear, Satan's little season can only begin AFTER the time symbolized a thousand years expires. So, Satan's little season is time he is given after the Kingdom of God is complete. I have no way to know how long Satan's little season shall be. But what I do know is that when Gog & Magog, through the power of Satan have fully surrounded Christians during these days when the seventh trumpet will either still sound or shall sound, Christ will be seen in the clouds, and believers will be resurrected/raised and changed to meet Him in the air. Then fire will come down from God out of heaven, and Christ shall destroy all His enemies by the brightness of His coming, then there will be the GWTJ and believers will live with Christ forever on the new earth.

 

[rwb]

Yes. And what is your point here exactly? What is your understanding of who the locusts represent? I believe they represent fallen angels. Do you agree?

They represent spiritual wickedness under the power of their king. Not fallen angels, but the demonic hosts. Their king cannot be released until a thousand years (symbolizing specifically time from Christ's first coming and the sounding of the seventh trumpet) have expired, because He is bound there until the spiritual Kingdom of God is complete.

 

[Truth7t7]

They represent spiritual wickedness under the power of their king. Not fallen angels, but the demonic hosts. Their king cannot be released until a thousand years (symbolizing specifically time from Christ's first coming and the sounding of the seventh trumpet) have expired, because He is bound there until the spiritual Kingdom of God is complete.

Satan Is Let loose for a little season to gather the nations to battle, your claim he's bound until the 7th trump and the kingdom is complete would be "False"

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[WPM]

Ummmm, where does the Bible mention the following, my hypocrite friend -
- Accepting Jesus as "Personal Lord and Savior"
- "Altar Calls"
- A "Pre-Trip Rapture"
- Sola Scriptura (Bible Alone)
- Sola Fide (Faith Alone)
- “Once saved, always saved”
- "Incarnation"
- "Bible"

Does that mean YOUR sect is a "cult"??

More petty arguments. More evasive posts. You obviously have nothing on the true Faith. The Bible constantly talks about faith in Christ. Buy a Bible and read the NT. It describes Jesus as "Lord" and "Savior." Sorry you reject that. Sorry that He is not personal to you.

Sorry He is a distant unfaithful god with a big stick looking the first opportunity to cast men into purgatory. Sad that he is one strike and your out. Sad that the Bible is not enough for you and that you need to add to it! Sorry you are deluded that faith in Christ is not sufficient for salvation.

I do not use the term “once saved, always saved.” I do not use the term "Altar Calls." I reject the "Pre-Trib Rapture." I see "predestinate" (Romans 8:29, 30), "election" (Romans 9:11, 11:5, 7, 28, 1 Thessalonians 1:4, and 2 Peter 1:10), “elect” ( Isaiah 42:1, 45:4, 65:9, 22, Matthew 24:22, 24, 31, Mark 13:20, 22, 27, 18:7, Romans 8:33, Colossians 3:12, 1 Thessalonians 5:21, 2 Tim 5:21, 2 Tim 2:10, Titus 1:1, 1 Peter 1:2, 2:6, 2 John 1:1, and 13), “eternal life” (Matthew 19:16, Mark 10:17, 30, Luke 10:25, 18:18, John 3:15, 5:39, 6:54, 68, 10:28, 17:2, Acts 13:48, Romans 2:7, 5:21, 6:23, 1 Tim 6:12, 19, Titus 1:2, 3:7, 1 John 1:2, 2:25, 3:15, 5:11, 13, 20, and Jude 1:21), “life eternal” (Matthew 25:46, John 4:36, 12:25, and 17:3), “everlasting life” (Daniel 12:2, Matthew 19:29, John 3:16, 36, 4:14, 5:24, 6:27, 40, 47, Acts 13:46, Romans 6:22), “everlasting salvation" (Isaiah 45:17), "eternal salvation" (Hebrews 5:9), "eternal redemption" (Hebrews 9:12), "eternal inheritance" (Hebrews 9:16) and "everlasting consolation" (2 Thessalonians 2:16-17) in the Bible. These are all biblical terms that Romanism hates. It exposes their false salvation and their manipulation of the people with their false gospel.

The word Bible (biblos) is found throughout the New Testament. In fact, there are 16 references (Matthew 1:1, Mark 12:26, Luke 3:4, 20:42, Acts 1:20, 7:42, Philippians 4:3, Revelation 3:5, 17:8 (X2), 20:12 (X2), 20:15, 22:19 (X2).

It would help if you actually read the Bible before running off your mouth.

 

[WPM]

It's impossible to take the rants of a Catholic seriously when there are so many false doctrines in Catholicism.

Putting the pope and Mary on pedestals the way they do is a complete joke and not supported whatsoever by scripture. Purgatory is a joke and not something taught anywhere in scripture. Their beliefs regarding eating the actual body of Jesus and drinking His actual blood are a pathetic joke. Their belief that only the pope and other Catholic leaders can interpret scripture is a joke. The way their leaders dress all high and mighty while they act holier than thou is a joke. The way they equate tradition with scripture is a joke. I could go on and on with this, but it's not worth my time. Anyone with even a little bit of discernment can see how outrageous and ridiculous many of the things they believe are. But, we're supposed to take them seriously when they talk about what is counted as scripture and what isn't? Impossible.

Bro, this is so true! Well put! But you need the Holy Spirit to see all this!!!

 

[rwb]

Satan Is Let loose for a little season to gather the nations to battle, your claim he's bound until the 7th trump and the kingdom is complete would be "False"

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

If Satan is bound and is loosed so he can no longer deceive the nations to battle, then when he is loosed, we should read of a great battle coming against the Kingdom of God, Christians, then. But there is no battle according to Rev then. John writes that under the power of Satan leads Gog and Magog after he is set free, then the nations gather together upon the whole earth, surround the saints of God and the beloved city, but instead of battle, fire comes down from God out of heaven and devours them. Where is this battle you say Satan is freed to lead the nations into against Christ and Christians?

Everyone knows this great battle you say will come against the saints of God after the loosing of Satan is not waiting for him to be set free, because it has been on-going from the beginning, especially in these last days, or since the first advent of Christ when He established His Church on earth and tells His Church shall be built and the gates of hell shall not prevent it.

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Exactly! A thousand years symbolizes time from Christ's first advent until the days when the seventh angel begins to sound the final trumpet that THIS symbolic time, written a thousand years have expired. Because this was the allotted time Christ gave His Church on earth to build His spiritual Kingdom as His Gospel is proclaimed unto all the earth under the power of the Holy Spirit. The battle between the forces for good, and the forces for evil, a time of "great tribulation" is literally taking place now in this symbolic time written a thousand years. The seventh trumpet sounds because the spiritual Kingdom of God is complete, so Satan can then be loosed for his utter destruction, along with all who in this age of this symbolic time follow him.

A thousand years symbolically speaks of time, the age of Gospel grace, when the saints of Christ have lived and reigned with Christ and shall reign with Christ on the earth during their lifetimes. Writing a thousand years is symbolically showing the time within the lifetimes of every saint who has lived and reigned and who shall reign with Christ while alive on this earth. A thousand years is a specific time, but still literally time none-the-less.

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

I agree, those premillennialists who promote one thousand years of time after the final trumpet begins to sound have not understanding of "A thousand years" but claim there will be ONE thousand years of more time on this earth after Christ returns.

Yes, Satan is now bound and though bound is still waging a great spiritual and physical battle upon the Church as she faithfully fulfills her task for proclaiming the Gospel unto all nations. This battle is bringing "great tribulation" upon the Church that will not end before the days the last/seventh trumpet begins to sound (1) the Kingdom of God is complete (2) the loosing of Satan from his pit for a "little season."
Satan shall not be loosed before time, written symbolically as a thousand years expires! According to John Satan shall NOT be loosened before that very specific time is expired.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

Where can we find in either of these two chapters this great battle actually takes place? Both chapters speak only of the destruction of spiritual wickedness, unclean spirits gathering them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon, also written surrounding the saints and holy city, which believers are spiritually called (see Rev 21:2). The vials of wrath being poured upon the earth effect those who blaspheme the name of God, and are against the kingdom of the beast who are "three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."

No battle of Armageddon ever takes place. And when the seventh angel pours out his vial into the air, "there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done." Rather than destruction of the beast by fire out of heaven, the fierceness of God's wrath as great hail out heaven to destroy Babylon, that is the antithesis of the Kingdom of God.

Revelation 16:19-21 (KJV) And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

 

[Truth7t7]

Where is this battle you say Satan is freed to lead the nations into against Christ and Christians?

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[WPM]

If Satan is bound and is loosed so he can no longer deceive the nations to battle, then when he is loosed, we should read of a great battle coming against the Kingdom of God, Christians, then. But there is no battle according to Rev then. John writes that under the power of Satan leads Gog and Magog after he is set free, then the nations gather together upon the whole earth, surround the saints of God and the beloved city, but instead of battle, fire comes down from God out of heaven and devours them. Where is this battle you say Satan is freed to lead the nations into against Christ and Christians?

Everyone knows this great battle you say will come against the saints of God after the loosing of Satan is not waiting for him to be set free, because it has been on-going from the beginning, especially in these last days, or since the first advent of Christ when He established His Church on earth and tells His Church shall be built and the gates of hell shall not prevent it.



Exactly! A thousand years symbolizes time from Christ's first advent until the days when the seventh angel begins to sound the final trumpet that THIS symbolic time, written a thousand years have expired. Because this was the allotted time Christ gave His Church on earth to build His spiritual Kingdom as His Gospel is proclaimed unto all the earth under the power of the Holy Spirit. The battle between the forces for good, and the forces for evil, a time of "great tribulation" is literally taking place now in this symbolic time written a thousand years. The seventh trumpet sounds because the spiritual Kingdom of God is complete, so Satan can then be loosed for his utter destruction, along with all who in this age of this symbolic time follow him.

A thousand years symbolically speaks of time, the age of Gospel grace, when the saints of Christ have lived and reigned with Christ and shall reign with Christ on the earth during their lifetimes. Writing a thousand years is symbolically showing the time within the lifetimes of every saint who has lived and reigned and who shall reign with Christ while alive on this earth. A thousand years is a specific time, but still literally time none-the-less.



I agree, those premillennialists who promote one thousand years of time after the final trumpet begins to sound have not understanding of "A thousand years" but claim there will be ONE thousand years of more time on this earth after Christ returns.

Yes, Satan is now bound and though bound is still waging a great spiritual and physical battle upon the Church as she faithfully fulfills her task for proclaiming the Gospel unto all nations. This battle is bringing "great tribulation" upon the Church that will not end before the days the last/seventh trumpet begins to sound (1) the Kingdom of God is complete (2) the loosing of Satan from his pit for a "little season."
Satan shall not be loosed before time, written symbolically as a thousand years expires! According to John Satan shall NOT be loosened before that very specific time is expired.


Where can we find in either of these two chapters this great battle actually takes place? Both chapters speak only of the destruction of spiritual wickedness, unclean spirits gathering them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon, also written surrounding the saints and holy city, which believers are spiritually called (see Rev 21:2). The vials of wrath being poured upon the earth effect those who blaspheme the name of God, and are against the kingdom of the beast who are "three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."

No battle of Armageddon ever takes place. And when the seventh angel pours out his vial into the air, "there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done." Rather than destruction of the beast by fire out of heaven, the fierceness of God's wrath as great hail out heaven to destroy Babylon, that is the antithesis of the Kingdom of God.

Revelation 16:19-21 (KJV) And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

But it is "time" (period) that shall come to an end at the sound of the last trumpet, not merely a thousand years of time, as you keep suggesting. In fact, in none of the seventh angel references does it even mention the thousand years.

 

[rwb]

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Your understanding doesn't hold since this great battle you say Satan is being set free to wage NEVER develops!

 

[Truth7t7]

Where can we find in either of these two chapters this great battle actually takes place? Both chapters speak only of the destruction of spiritual wickedness, unclean spirits gathering them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon, also written surrounding the saints and holy city, which believers are spiritually called (see Rev 21:2).

Read It Real Slow This Time, Kings Of The Earth, And Of The Whole World

Your claims are "False" those gathered are the kings of the earth and whole world by evil spirits, your claim wickedness and unclean spirits are gathered, and is Pinocchio's nose is growing again!

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[Truth7t7]

Your understanding doesn't hold since this great battle you say Satan is being set free to wage NEVER develops!

Your living in a fantasy world, it's descriptive in detail in Revelation Chapter 16, the kings and world are being gathered to Armageddon

Revelation chapters 16, 19, 20, are all parallel readings of the same event

Ok let's play a game, let's close our eyes and pretend like it doesn't exist, big smiles!

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[rwb]

But it is "time" (period) that shall comes to an end at the sound of the last trumpet, not merely a thousand years of time, as you keep suggesting. In fact, in none of the seventh angel references does it even mention the thousand years.

No, it's not merely ONE thousand years of time. But it is time symbolically written as that which began with the first advent of Christ and will end in the days when the seventh angel begins to sound. No, the trumpet sounding of the seventh angel does not mention the thousand years. It does however mention the mystery of God He hath declared to His prophets is finished. Since the mystery made known is that Gentiles of faith would be saved with Jews of faith to complete the Kingdom of God. That means the time that should be no longer is the time, symbolically written a thousand years will have expired. That means that after the Kingdom of God is complete, then Satan will be set free to continue in what he has been doing through his minions all along. It seems the main purpose for allowing Satan this "little season" of freedom is for his and his followers utter destruction, which all the world will witness on the last day of human history on this earth.

 

[rwb]

But it is "time" (period) that shall comes to an end at the sound of the last trumpet, not merely a thousand years of time, as you keep suggesting. In fact, in none of the seventh angel references does it even mention the thousand years.

John cannot write that ALL of time shall end when the seventh angel begins to sound. Because that would mean time that is symbolically written a thousand years expires. But when this time symbolically written a thousand years expires, Satan is loosed for a little season of TIME. All of time cannot end, but there still be a little season of time on earth given Satan.

 

[WPM]

No, it's not merely ONE thousand years of time. But it is time symbolically written as that which began with the first advent of Christ and will end in the days when the seventh angel begins to sound. No, the trumpet sounding of the seventh angel does not mention the thousand years. It does however mention the mystery of God He hath declared to His prophets is finished. Since the mystery made known is that Gentiles of faith would be saved with Jews of faith to complete the Kingdom of God. That means the time that should be no longer is the time, symbolically written a thousand years will have expired. That means that after the Kingdom of God is complete, then Satan will be set free to continue in what he has been doing through his minions all along. It seems the main purpose for allowing Satan this "little season" of freedom is for his and his followers utter destruction, which all the world will witness on the last day of human history on this earth.

John cannot write that ALL of time shall end when the seventh angel begins to sound. Because that would mean time that is symbolically written a thousand years expires. But when this time symbolically written a thousand years expires, Satan is loosed for a little season of TIME. All of time cannot end, but there still be a little season of time on earth given Satan.

I think you are overly complicating things bro and creating something that is uncorroborated by other Scripture.

It is notable when you look at the seventh vial being poured out by the seventh angel in Revelation 16, that this angel is active in pouring out judgment upon earth prior to the second coming. This obviously speaks to an end-time assignment and fulfilment for this particular angel. He is manifestly active before the end of time. I have no difficulty recognizing “the days of the voice of the seventh angel” as referring to the intensified end-time persecution of the Church and also God’s judgment on the wicked systems of this world just before Jesus comes. This would fit in with Satan’s little season followed by a climactic return.

This sees the customary preceding natural signs in the sky and upon earth (Revelation 16:18), the judgment and downfall of Babylon (Revelation 16:19) and then the glorious return of Christ (Revelation 16:20). But the end is ushered in by the actual trumpet blast, not merely “the days of the voice of the seventh angel.” That relates exclusively to the last trump that introduces Christ's appearing. While “the days of the voice of the seventh angel” include the coming of Christ, it also embraces the days preceding that climactic day.

 

[rwb]

Your living in a fantasy world, it's descriptive in detail in Revelation Chapter 16, the kings and world are being gathered to Armageddon

Revelation chapters 16, 19, 20, are all parallel readings of the same event

Ok let's play a game, let's close our eyes and pretend like it doesn't exist, big smiles!

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

If you understood the purpose for Satan to be bound is for building the spiritual Kingdom of God, not so that he cannot wage a great battle upon this earth.

 

[rwb]

I think you are overly complicating things and creating something that is uncorroborated by other Scripture.

It is notable when you look at the seventh vial being poured out by the seventh angel, that this angel is active in pouring out judgment upon earth prior to the second coming. This obviously speaks to an end-time assignment and fulfilment. I have no difficulty recognizing “the days of the voice of the seventh angel” as referring to the intensified end-time persecution of the Church and also God’s judgment on the wicked systems of this world. This would fit in with Satan’s little season followed by a climactic return.

This sees the customary preceding signs in the sky and upon earth (Revelation 16:18), the judgment and downfall of Babylon (Revelation 16:19) and then the glorious return of Christ (Revelation 16:20). The end accompanies the trumpet blast. While “the days of the voice of the seventh angel” include the coming of Christ, it also embraces the days preceding that climactic day.

You cannot have all time ending when the final trumpet sounds when Satan is still given a little season of time. I agree the days (plural) of the seventh trumpet sounding shall be of great climatic, intensified persecution upon Christ and Christians, because that's when Satan shall have his freedom for a time. My point for repeating what I believe I have rightly understood from Scripture is that Amils err when saying ALL time shall be no longer when the seventh angel begins to sound. I believe I have given a sound biblical argument for why it is only time for bringing the Gospel of salvation that is finished, because then the Kingdom of God is complete. IOW when the seventh trumpet begins to sound there will be no more saved, no more Gospel preached, the church on earth will appear to be dead, spiritually without light or life during this little season given to Satan. The coming of Christ will be visibly seen after Satan has his little season, and his final destruction will indeed be the greatest climactic event the world shall ever know.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I may not have explained very clearly, but this is exactly what I've been arguing.

No, it isn't. Based on what you've been saying, you do not agree with what I said. So, maybe I didn't explain clearly enough this time? Anyway, we're just not understanding each other on this, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.