22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[Truther]

What ain't proper?

I don't even remember what we are bickering about now...LOL

 

[Truther]

Who told you that I have not obeyed that? Why are you acting as if you are God and judging others when you don't know us at all? There is something very seriously wrong with you. You need professional help.

Did you get baptized in the water by immersion, in the name of Jesus?

Yes or no?

 

[Truther]

How does the day of the Lord come like a thief in the night in this scenario?

2 Peter 3:8 has nothing to do with Revelation 20 whatsoever. What Peter was indicating in 2 Peter 3:8-9 is that the Lord is not being slow in keeping the promise of Christ's second coming as some think because He exists outside of time. To Him, there's no difference between one day and a thousand years so it isn't possible that He is being slow to fulfill that promise. That is what 2 Peter 3:8-9 means. That has absolutely nothing to do with Revelation 20 or with the day of the Lord. It's ridiculous to think that a thousand year period of time can be said to come like a thief in the night (to come suddenly and unexpectedly).

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

 

[Truther]

You don't believe that he that is saved from sin shall be saved from hell?

Do you believe that he that is saved from sin shall go to hell?

I believe that WHEN I was saved from sin, I was simultaneously saved from hell as I was baptized in the name of Jesus.

 

[Truther]

I think the problem here is you Amil fellers think Rev 20 should be before Rev 19.

 

[St. Joseph]

He that believeth AND IS baptized shall be saved...

Like the miricles and tongues, that was a sign to early church. Baptism would be a work necessary for salvation. But we are saved by grace through faith,not baptism

 

[covenantee]

I believe that WHEN I was saved from sin, I was simultaneously saved from hell as I was baptized in the name of Jesus.

They are sequential. You must first be saved from sin before you can be saved from hell.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The RCC is the mother of all Acts 2:38 skippers.

Say "hi" to your daughters for me.

They all follow the RCC in Acts skipping.

Sooooo, you couldn't refute a SINGLE point from post #7202.
EPIC fail.

Game.
Set.
MATCH.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The lamb was slain from the foundation of the world(Rev 13:8) and there have been various methods to commemorate this event.

In the OT, the sacrifice was the commemoration to get God to not hold them accountable for sinning.

In the NT, we obey Acts 2:38 to have our sins remitted.

When Jesus returns to earth, the commemorative sacrifices will return and the blood will be recognized that way.

Folks that don't participate will be troubled by God per Zech 14.

The Law and Grace were both instituted from the garden of Eden. Tree of knowledge and tree of life.

You didn't specifically address anything I said. This is a waste of time.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I don't even remember what we are bickering about now...LOL

So, this is all just a game to you. How old are you, 10?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I think the problem here is you Amil fellers think Rev 20 should be before Rev 19.

Weak argument. Do you think that what is described in Revelation 12 chronologically follows what is described in Revelation 11?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Okay, maybe we're actually getting somewhere here. So, you agree with me that the way in which the day of the Lord comes like a thief in the night is when Jesus comes and destroys His enemies, right?

What does 2 Peter 3:10-12 indicate about the scope of destruction that occurs at that time? It will be global and will even burn up the earth, right? That's why Revelation 19:17-18 talks about the destruction of all people "both free and bond, both small and great".

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Did you get baptized in the water by immersion, in the name of Jesus?

Yes or no?

Yes, I did. I was baptized in a lake. But, that is not the topic of this thread, so I don't really want to derail this thread with that topic. Feel free to create a new thread in the Christian Theology forum or Controversial Topics forum and I'd be glad to discuss why your understanding of water baptism in relation to salvation is wrong there.

 

[WPM]

Did you get baptized in the water by immersion, in the name of Jesus?

Yes or no?

Are you United Pentecostal Church?

 

[WPM]

Did you get baptized in the water by immersion, in the name of Jesus?

Yes or no?

Stop derailing this topic.

 

[covenantee]

I don't even remember what we are bickering about now...LOL

Remember huh.

 

[Truth7t7]

No, Peter's cult...

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

I am not modern oneness, nor was Peter etc.

They taught God inside Christ.

The latter incarnationist movement beginning in the 4th century taught God alongside little Christ, the 6' ish man.

Trins and oneness are incarnationist cousins.

The RCC presides over them as their mother.

Oneness Pentecostalism, The Cult Of (Robert T. McAlister) In 1913

 

[Truth7t7]

Did you get baptized in the water by immersion, in the name of Jesus?

Yes or no?

Oneness Pentecostalism, The Cult Of (Robert T. McAlister) In 1913

 

[rwb]

He that believeth AND IS baptized shall be saved...

He that believeth and is baptized by the Holy Spirit shall be saved! He that believeth without baptism of the Holy Spirit, is of their father, the Devil.

James 2:19 (KJV) Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

We are baptized in water as a means of becoming separated from the world of unbelief. After water baptism we belong outwardly to the body (physically) of Christ, the church. The water only cleanses outwardly but cannot cleanse our conscience. Only baptism of the Holy Spirit, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience has the power to set us free from the penalty of death that is the result of sinning. We can be plunged, dipped, poured or sprinkled with water, but unless the water is pure and undefiled of the Holy Spirit, our sins shall still condemn us. There is no physical water on earth that can change our hearts and give us full assurance of faith.

Hebrews 10:22 (KJV) Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

 

[Truther]

Like the miricles and tongues, that was a sign to early church. Baptism would be a work necessary for salvation. But we are saved by grace through faith,not baptism

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God ..