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Please tell me how this is about you personally?....



14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord....

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.


Please explain it, line by line.

The same Holy Spirit that was poured out at Pentecost is in ALL who have been born again by believing in Christ. It is the Holy Spirit that gives spiritual life to those who were once spiritually dead in trespasses and sins. If we have not the Spirit in us, we are none of His.

You're assuming "their own land" is the promised land of old. I gave you verses from Hebrews that prove the faithful saints of old NEVER looked for, nor desired land promised on this earth. Their own land shall not be on this earth in this age. The land all the faithful desire is found in heaven. The heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. Not a physical place, but a spiritual place, the Kingdom of God within the faithful.

The one nation all believers shall be is not a physical nation, but spiritual, being a holy nation, we are a purchased people unto God, who have come out of darkness and into His marvelous light according to grace through faith. Israel of old was once the only nation to possess the Kingdom of God. But because of their hardness of heart, and refusal to believe Christ, whom they rejected, the Kingdom was taken from them, and became one holy nation for whosoever is of faith in Christ.

1 Peter 2:9 (KJV) But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Matthew 21:43 (KJV)
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
 

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Stop your avoidance please, if you can. Address the actual biblical evidence above for once.

The disciples did not fully grasp the spiritual meaning of the kingdom of God. They often come to these wrong conclusions. They were very parochial and earthly minded. After Pentecost, this all changed.
Is that what Jesus was saying here?....

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
 

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Is that what Jesus was saying here?....

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Do you even have the ability to address counter-arguments? It seems not. You are so entangled in what you've been taught you cannot even think outside your indoctrinated box. Have a look at the context and it will be clear. I already outlined that. I'm not going to repeat it.

Premils avoid because to address would demolish their whole thesis and force them to be Amils.
 

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7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know....


It is not for them to know until after Acts 2 or in their lifetimes?

In their lifetimes.
 

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The same Holy Spirit that was poured out at Pentecost is in ALL who have been born again by believing in Christ. It is the Holy Spirit that gives spiritual life to those who were once spiritually dead in trespasses and sins. If we have not the Spirit in us, we are none of His.

You're assuming "their own land" is the promised land of old. I gave you verses from Hebrews that prove the faithful saints of old NEVER looked for, nor desired land promised on this earth. Their own land shall not be on this earth in this age. The land all the faithful desire is found in heaven. The heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. Not a physical place, but a spiritual place, the Kingdom of God within the faithful.

The one nation all believers shall be is not a physical nation, but spiritual, being a holy nation, we are a purchased people unto God, who have come out of darkness and into His marvelous light according to grace through faith. Israel of old was once the only nation to possess the Kingdom of God. But because of their hardness of heart, and refusal to believe Christ, whom they rejected, the Kingdom was taken from them, and became one holy nation for whosoever is of faith in Christ.

1 Peter 2:9 (KJV) But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Matthew 21:43 (KJV)
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
You just debunked this....


14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord....

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.
 

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7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know....


It is not for them to know until after Acts 2 or in their lifetimes?

In their lifetimes.

The one thing they do not mention (or does Christ or any NT writer teach) is some sin-curse goat-infested death-blighted future millennium.

The main issue is not so much what did the disciples mean, it is rather: what was Jesus actually teaching here? Before and after the question the topic was expressly the coming empowerment of the spiritual kingdom of God at Pentecost.

Bible students can speculate all they want as to what was going on in the disciples’ heads. They could debate over whether they were grasping the spiritual thrust of Christ’s teaching about them being part of a spiritual renewal in Israel and further afield, or whether they anticipated the Pharisaical hope of the Messiah overthrowing the Romans and reigning on a physical throne in Jerusalem. Notwithstanding, the most important aspect of this text is not the disciples question, it is Christ’s response.
 

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Do you even have the ability to address counter-arguments? It seems not. You are so entangled in what you've been taught you cannot even think outside your indoctrinated box. Have a look at the context and it will be clear. I already outlined that. I'm not going to repeat it.

Premils avoid because to address would demolish their whole thesis and force them to be Amils.
What is there to argue about here?....

OT Prophet(s).....

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord....

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.


Question about what the Prophet(s) said...


6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?


Answer about what the Prophet(s) said...


7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.


Are you still puzzled?
 

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You just debunked this....


14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord....

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.
Not so! The king has already introduced His kingdom to planet earth. Wherever you find the king, you find the kingdom. Christ ushered in the kingdom of God when He came. Jesus said in Matthew 11:12,from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth (biazo) violence, and the (biastes) violent take it by force.”

Jesus said, in Luke 16:16, “The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man (biazo) presseth into it.”

We should immediately note: for men to be able to press into the kingdom and for it to suffer violence it must already exist. The Greek word biazo here means to force, to crowd oneself into, or to seize. The kingdom of God is shown here to be a present reality that the righteous enter upon salvation. This has been the case since John the Baptist. The spiritual kingdom Christ brought was very-much alive and active from the beginning of Christ’s earthly ministry.

Sadly, the overwhelming majority of Jews missed their promised Messiah when He came. He just didn’t fit their expectation of who and what the Messiah was to be. Also, they had an erroneous political racial perception of what the kingdom was. They had a carnal earthly view of Messiah and His kingdom. They believed that the first thing He would do was subjugate all national Israel’s enemies, starting with the Romans. When Christ appeared at His first advent, the Jews imagined He would reinstate the now defunct earthly throne of Israel and reign victorious over the physical nation, restoring their ancient borders. The only problem was: they had a defective hyper-literalist understanding of Old Testament prophesies and a misconception of how the kingdom would look.

Matthew 3:1-2 records, “In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand (or eengiken or ‘is made near’ or ‘approaches’).”

Matthew 4:12, 17 records, “when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee…From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand (or eengiken).”

Mark 1:14-15 records, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand (or eengiken).”

Jesus told the disciples as the kingdom advances, And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand (or eengiken)(Matthew 10:7).

The kingdom of God exists wherever the king – the Lord Jesus Christ – exercises His spiritual jurisdiction. His kingdom embodies all those who possess the indwelling Holy Spirit – those who are born-again of the Spirit of God. Christ’s kingdom is therefore found wherever there are citizens of that Kingdom.
 

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The one thing they do not mention (or does Christ or any NT writer teach) is some sin-curse goat-infested death-blighted future millennium.

The main issue is not so much what did the disciples mean, it is rather: what was Jesus actually teaching here? Before and after the question the topic was expressly the coming empowerment of the spiritual kingdom of God at Pentecost.

Bible students can speculate all they want as to what was going on in the disciples’ heads. They could debate over whether they were grasping the spiritual thrust of Christ’s teaching about them being part of a spiritual renewal in Israel and further afield, or whether they anticipated the Pharisaical hope of the Messiah overthrowing the Romans and reigning on a physical throne in Jerusalem. Notwithstanding, the most important aspect of this text is not the disciples question, it is Christ’s response
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


Wrong!
 

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Not so! The king has already introduced His kingdom to planet earth. Wherever you find the king, you find the kingdom. Christ ushered in the kingdom of God when He came. Jesus said in Matthew 11:12,from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth (biazo) violence, and the (biastes) violent take it by force.”

Jesus said, in Luke 16:16, “The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man (biazo) presseth into it.”

We should immediately note: for men to be able to press into the kingdom and for it to suffer violence it must already exist. The Greek word biazo here means to force, to crowd oneself into, or to seize. The kingdom of God is shown here to be a present reality that the righteous enter upon salvation. This has been the case since John the Baptist. The spiritual kingdom Christ brought was very-much alive and active from the beginning of Christ’s earthly ministry.

Sadly, the overwhelming majority of Jews missed their promised Messiah when He came. He just didn’t fit their expectation of who and what the Messiah was to be. Also, they had an erroneous political racial perception of what the kingdom was. They had a carnal earthly view of Messiah and His kingdom. They believed that the first thing He would do was subjugate all national Israel’s enemies, starting with the Romans. When Christ appeared at His first advent, the Jews imagined He would reinstate the now defunct earthly throne of Israel and reign victorious over the physical nation, restoring their ancient borders. The only problem was: they had a defective hyper-literalist understanding of Old Testament prophesies and a misconception of how the kingdom would look.

Matthew 3:1-2 records, “In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand (or eengiken or ‘is made near’ or ‘approaches’).”

Matthew 4:12, 17 records, “when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee…From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand (or eengiken).”

Mark 1:14-15 records, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand (or eengiken).”

Jesus told the disciples as the kingdom advances, And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand (or eengiken)(Matthew 10:7).

The kingdom of God exists wherever the king – the Lord Jesus Christ – exercises His spiritual jurisdiction. His kingdom embodies all those who possess the indwelling Holy Spirit – those who are born-again of the Spirit of God. Christ’s kingdom is therefore found wherever there are citizens of that Kingdom.
When did this happen?...

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord....

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

Please describe line by line.

Thanks.
 

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20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


Wrong!

You have no support for your error elsewhere in Scripture. You force a private interpretation on this text. Amil has multiple Scripture.
When did this happen?...

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord....

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:


22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

Please describe line by line.

Thanks.
See above. This happened when Christ came 2000 years ago. He is Israel's only king. He united these two divided peoples with the truth of the Gospel. This is already fulfilled.
 

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Anybody who thinks that all of Jewish Israel will be saved, are wrong because Jesus said those who were born in the kingdom, will be thrown out. Matthew 8:13
But Matthew 8:12 tells us that many will come from the East and West to sit at the table with Abraham.

These scriptures put it in a nutshell; Those people who belong to the Synagogue of Satan, Revelation 3:9, Romans 2:29, are not God's people, it is every person who believes in God and Jesus who keeps the Commandments, people from every tribe, race, nation and language, who belong to the Kingdom. Matthew 21:43
That they are; mainly, descendants of Jacob - from the 10 Northern tribes, is Gods secret, only He knows who and where they are. Amos 9:9
This is proved by how Jesus said: I have come to save the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Matthew 15:24

The separation of Israel, the Northern 10 Tribes, now the Christian peoples and the 2 tribes of Judah and Benjamin, the Jewish people, is fundamental theology.

But those who choose to believe in the incredible idea of a 'rapture to heaven' of the Church, cannot abide these truths, as they must have the Jews here, going thru tribulation, while they sit on the clouds; watching the earthly dramas. Totally unbelievable! and unbiblical.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


Here's the deal.

Jesus will appear visibly to them, causing all to believe, then give them His Spirit.

Not as tough for God as you surmise.
 

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You have no support for your error elsewhere in Scripture. You force a private interpretation on this text. Amil has multiple Scripture.

See above. This happened when Christ came 2000 years ago. He is Israel's only king. He united these two divided peoples with the truth of the Gospel. This is already fulfilled.
Do I need a duplicate copy of this in 1 Peter or something to get you to believe this?...


20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 

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Anybody who thinks that all of Jewish Israel will be saved, are wrong because Jesus said those who were born in the kingdom, will be thrown out. Matthew 8:13.

That happened 2000 years ago.

God will not let a grudge remain to debunk His promise to the fathers.

He is a promise keeper.....


14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
 

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There is only ONE reason that satan tries with everything he has to destroy Israel in the tribulation per this.....


12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


...to make God a liar to the fathers, ending any chance for this.....


20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


....now you know what the OT prophets frightened satan so much about.

Don't league up with satan and mouth his disapproval of the Millennial Kingdom of Jesus Christ in Jerusalem.
 

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You just debunked this....

I know I did! In fact your whole doctrinal view has been resoundingly debunked throughout this thread! It's time for you to respond to arguments brought against your unbiblical doctrine. I do understand why you don't want to, because then you too would become Amil.
 
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38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, ...

Good to know we are saved without remission of our sins, huh?

Who taught you that stuff???

Acts skippers?

They taught you to skip Acts and go straight to the epistles(letters to the Acts 2:38 adherers) and find an alternate plan?

Did you know that Romans 10:9 was written to post salvation saints to edify and confirm their faith?

Did you know that for nearly 44 years now, I have practiced Romans 10:9 to reaffirm my faith in the power of the Acts 2:38 experience I had in 1979?

If you have not been baptized in the name of Jesus, no epistle(Rom through Rev) applies to you.
Sounds like your involved in the cult of "Oneness Pentecostalism" in Jesus name only
 

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You still don't get it.

That was 2000 years ago.

Future national Israel will be saved, whether you Amils and preterists like it or not.

Now take this....


After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
No, you still don't get it. You have the wrong Israel in mind. And you noticeably won't even address the fact that there are two Israels. Why is that? Are you afraid of what you might discover by looking into the differences between the two Israels?
 
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Not all, but some?...


26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Now repeat after me...

All.
Are you being dense on purpose or is it an act? All spiritual Israel shall be saved. I am not saying that "all" means some. Unlike you, I am properly understanding which Israel that is talking about.
 
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