22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[Truther]

Twisting Scripture again! This is talking about divine knowledge not the reality and power of the new covenant. You are so blind to the truth. You twist text after text to support your error. This is exactly what the Cults do, they twist Scripture to support their heresy.

Nope, chapter 13 is speaking of the gifts of chapter 12 that are partial.

 

[WPM]

...and y'all don't try to say there is a little covenant now and another big one on the way...LOL

What are "a little covenant now and another big one on the way"? What are you talking about?

 

[St. Joseph]

Question for all.

Has all blind been healed yet?

Are all deaf healed yet?

Are all wars ended yet?

Has this happened yet?


31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


If you answered no, you are on the right track.

Also the pouring out of the Spirit that Joel spoke of has not happened yet either.
The lion has not laid down with the lamb yet as well.

 

[WPM]

No, I obeyed Acts 2:38 to be included in the future covenant to future national Israel per Jer 31.

Too bad it is only a partial one though.

The fully revealed covenant I was included into is my blessed hope.

Where in Scripture does it teach "we only get a partial experience now"?

You totally butcher God's Word. You have your own Bible on the go. That is why you cannot exegete the real Bible.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The covenant that you posted has not happened yet per this...


31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Luke 22:20 and Hebrews 8:6 say that it has. But, I guess you have no regard for the New Testament.

 

[Truther]

No, I don't believe that because scripture does not teach that. So, you would rather insist on taking that as literally as possible instead of accepting what scripture teaches in Hebrews 8:6-13 which is that Jeremiah 31:31-34 has its fulfillment in the new covenant which was established long ago by the blood of Christ? Why do you not allow Hebrews 8:6-13 to tell you how that passage should be understood?

That verse is not referring to literally all Israelites any more than the following passage is referring to literally all people:

Acts 2:15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17 “‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.

Is this talking about God pouring out His Spirit on literally all people? No. But, with the way you interpret scripture, that is what we would have to conclude. It's not talking about literally all people, but rather is talking about all believers. That is what Jeremiah 31:31-34 is talking about, also.

You take a hyper-literal approach to interpreting scripture without looking at context and without checking to see if your interpretation of one given passage contradicts any other passages or not.

Busted!!!

Call God a liar, eh?

 

[Truther]

Where in Scripture does it teach "we only get a partial experience now"?

You totally butcher God's Word. You have your own Bible on the go. That is why you cannot exegete the real Bible.

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

 

[Truther]

Also the pouring out of the Spirit that Joel spoke of has not happened yet either.
The lion has not laid down with the lamb yet as well.

They imply God lied and to not take it literal.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Also the pouring out of the Spirit that Joel spoke of has not happened yet either.
The lion has not laid down with the lamb yet as well.

Congratulations on proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are completely lacking in discernment. Did you not read this:

Acts 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

This was long ago on the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit was being poured out on people in Jerusalem and Peter quoted Joel 2:28-32 and said regarding what was happening that day: "THIS is THAT which was spoken by the prophet Joel. But you contradict Peter and say "THIS" is NOT "THAT which was spoken by the prophet Joel". Shameful.

 

[Truther]

What are "a little covenant now and another big one on the way"? What are you talking about?

Some teach that God made a covenant to future national Israel as it says, then cannot figure out what we are in.

They teach "multiple covenants", as if God made one with the Acts church separately.

I have seen it all I think.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

They imply God lied and to not take it literal.

You apparently believe that every word of scripture should be taken as literally as possible. Why did Paul indicate that we need spiritual discernment to understand scripture then (1 Cor 2:9-16)? For no reason?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What are "a little covenant now and another big one on the way"? What are you talking about?

He is just making things up as he often does. We are wasting our time with these kids.

 

[Truther]

Congratulations on proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are completely lacking in discernment. Did you not read this:

Acts 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

This was long ago on the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit was being poured out on people in Jerusalem and Peter quoted Joel 2:28-32 and said regarding what was happening that day: "THIS is THAT which was spoken by the prophet Joel. But you contradict Peter and say "THIS" is NOT "THAT which was spoken by the prophet Joel". Shameful.

Are you saying the lion lays down with the lamb now?

Or, is what Peter quoted in Acts 2 marking only the beginning of that future event?

 

[Truther]

He is just making things up as he often does. We are wasting our time with these kids.

Oh, sorry, the adults are in the room with their PHD's.

LOL

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Some teach that God made a covenant to future national Israel as it says, then cannot figure out what we are in.

They teach "multiple covenants", as if God made one with the Acts church separately.

I have seen it all I think.

Who are teaching multiple covenants? The new covenant, established long ago by the blood of Christ, applies to all believers both Jew and Gentile. It is the covenant by which people are saved.

 

[St. Joseph]

They imply God lied and to not take it literal

Its hard not to take literal. Sun turn to darkness. Moon turn to blood.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Are you saying the lion lays down with the lamb now?

Or, is what Peter quoted in Acts 2 marking only the beginning of that future event?

Of course it was the beginning. You are acting as if it is all future. But, it's also not talking about God pouring out His Spirit on literally all people even though it says He would pour out His Spirit on all people. The context is all believers. Obviously, He doesn't pour out His Spirit on unbelievers. We need to be able to discern these things instead of just interpreting everything hyper-literally.

 

[Truther]

You apparently believe that every word of scripture should be taken as literally as possible. Why did Paul indicate that we need spiritual discernment to understand scripture then (1 Cor 2:9-16)? For no reason?

Yes!!!

God speaks literally.

He is not the riddler.

Stop thinking when He speaks and obey Acts 2:38.

 

[WPM]

Also the pouring out of the Spirit that Joel spoke of has not happened yet either.

More lies. Why have a Bible when you just rabbit what Scofield taught you. He has deceived you. Let the NT interpret the Old instead of letting your Dispensatanist teachers fool you..

Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joe 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
You are as misguided as he is.

Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Act 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven...
Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

 

[Truther]

Its hard not to take literal. Sun turn to darkness. Moon turn to blood.

Yep.

God can turn anything into anything.

Some folks even think God can make our tangible world but the New Jerusalem city is not tangible.

It's like we live in reality and the afterlife is non-reality.

No faith at all.