Restoration

[St. SteVen]

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Oops. These two support my view. Unless you can explain how a launderer's soap is like hell. - LOL
Or works burning up for that matter.

You owe an additional two.

 

[Gottservant]

I said to the Lord "Lord I want to recover the nations"

The Lord said "You cannot recover the nations, without first reviving them".

Food for thought.

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus Christ will "Destroy" at his return, not "Restore" as you suggest

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Psalm 2:9KJV
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

The LORD only destroys the wicked, whereas HE rebuilds and restores His Creation including this = "the meek shall inherit the earth".

"The leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations."

 

[David in NJ]

Scripture: Read Jeremiah 16

The Holy Ghost gave me a word today, Restoration.
So much of Prophecy is balanced between wrath and restoration for example the prophecies that speak of the Captivity of Israel, often were followed by restoration of Israel as a whole.

The church is no different, we who were not a people have become a people, Holy unto God, but like Israel we have wondered off course, too many times, and some of us even now face the fiery trials (Tribulation of the saints). Then there is the adversary who is accusing the Brethren, and many like Job are inflicted with sores to test our faith, and to be a testimony of the efficacy of the blood of the cross to save. Some of us live paycheck to paycheck because we refuse to be cutthroat in the workplace, resulting in a lack of promotions.... Whatever the cause of our Lack and pain, along with the wrath of God on the wicked, there is an underlying current of restoration of the righteous.

And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you. (Joel 2:15)

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. (Matthew 17:11)

There are many who deny the Millennial Kingdom is yet to come, That is often caused by the emphasis in their eschatology on wrath and a lack of emphasis on restoration, which go hand in hand in prophetic scripture. There are those who deny the rapture for this same reason. Or those who deny the restoration of Israel for the same reason. God IS love, not wrath, Even His tribulations and plagues are sent out of Mercy for the individual that they should repent of their ways and turn to Him. When the Wrath of God comes is when repentance is no longer found in Mankind (Revelation 9:20) Up until that moment every trial we face, every plague, every natural disaster is done out of the Love of God and His mercy. Then the wrath comes along with the restoration. Never forget the two Go hand in hand.

David's cry in the Psalms was "vindicate me O Lord...." (Psalm 26:1, Psalm 35:24, Psalm 43:1, Psalm 54:1) Have You prayed for the vindication that is to come on us who have scorned and martyred, and robbed and tortured, and kept in poverty, and chosen Humility over gain? That vindication comes from a loving God and a Just God, who will restore to the righteous sons and daughters what was taken from us. God will restore! Amen! (BTW, this is where the name Eliashib comes from in scripture, One of the high priests in the time of the restoration of Jerusalem in the book of Nehemiah.)

What does restoration mean to you?

"The leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations." - Revelation
Simple and yet full of Life.

 

[St. SteVen]

"The leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations." - Revelation
Simple and yet full of Life.

Can there really be a healing of the nations if the wicked are destroyed?

 

[Truth7t7]

The LORD only destroys the wicked, whereas HE rebuilds and restores His Creation including this = "the meek shall inherit the earth".

"The leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations."

Yes the wicked are destroyed, and this existing earth will be "Dissolved" by the Lord's fire in final judgment at the same time

Your suggestion that this earth is restored/rebuilt is wrong, it will be a completely new creation

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

 

[St. SteVen]

Yes the wicked destroyed, and this existing earth will be "Dissolved" by fire also

Your suggestion that this earth is restored/rebuilt is wrong, it will be a completely new creation

Sounds like hairsplitting to me. Any renovation requires demolition first.

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Interesting translation of that scripture.
The physical universe "and the works that are therein shall be burned up."
Not the souls/spirits. They will be restored as well.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes the wicked are destroyed, and this existing earth will be "Dissolved" by the Lord's fire in final judgment at the same time

Your suggestion that this earth is restored/rebuilt is wrong, it will be a completely new creation

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2 Peter 3:10 is the FINAL Judgment/Cleansing of the physical earth.

This does not occur until AFTER Satan is released from prison which has not occurred yet.
Currently, Satan is roaming about seeking whom he may devour.

Read Revelation

 

[Truth7t7]

Sounds like hairsplitting to me. Any renovation requires demolition first.


Interesting translation of that scripture.
The physical universe "and the works that are therein shall be burned up."
Not the souls/spirits. They will be restored as well.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

 

[David in NJ]

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

AMEN to these scriptures - Thank You for posting them

Notice that the fire in these scriptures are not consuming the entire creation = only designated locations/peoples/works.

Peace

 

[Truth7t7]

2 Peter 3:10 is the FINAL Judgment/Cleansing of the physical earth.

This does not occur until AFTER Satan is released from prison which has not occurred yet.
Currently, Satan is roaming about seeking whom he may devour.

Read Revelation

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[Truth7t7]

AMEN to these scriptures - Thank You for posting them

Notice that the fire in these scriptures are not consuming the entire creation = only designated locations/peoples/works.

Peace

Your claim is "False" this entire universe, heavens and earth will be "Dissolved" down to its very "Elements" (The End)

Jesus Is The Lord (Peace)

The Church is instructed in verse 13 below to look for "New Heaven's and Earth"

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[David in NJ]

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Chicken before eggs = allow Scripture to determine the Order as it is presented beginning with Genesis.

Peace

 

[David in NJ]

Your claim is "False" this entire universe, heavens and earth will be "Dissolved" down to its very "Elements" (The End)

Jesus Is The Lord (Peace)

The Church is instructed in verse 13 below to look for "New Heaven's and Earth"

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Of course 2 Peter is True and it will eventually occur.

ALL Judgement Belongs to the LORD:
a.) the LORD created all things for Himself
b.) the LORD our Judge, the LORD our Lawgiver, the LORD our King
c.) Creation, its destruction and the New Heavens and Earth are in His Power and will not occur until that which HE spoke is completed.

Continue to read, study and pray in the Holy Spirit and His Holy Scriptures

 

[Patrick1966]

Such people will pay the penalty and suffer the punishment of everlasting ruin (destruction and perdition) and eternal exclusion and banishment from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

So if their punishment is "everlasting" then the following verse is incorrect, right?

1 Timothy 4:10
English Standard Version
10 For to this end we toil and strive,[a] because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of ALL people, especially of those who believe.

 

[David in NJ]

I have done that, and more already, for example, when you begin to see these things, you will understand who the end time demons are that control the beast and the false prophet are, and that Jesus encountered all three including the serpent (Satan) in the wilderness during His earthly ministry. So, I am not downplaying what you said but trying to Show that God has planned restoration as well as destruction and wrath, and the Point of this post is that prophecy which neglects to focus on both aspects of prophecy is likely to produce a certain eschatology in the person studying prophecy. Case and point being some of the early commentators here, who deny the millennial reign altogether.

Many people here who study prophecy are unable to receive the meat of the Word regarding prophecy, because they are so indoctrinated by their particular sect of Christianity's eschatological positions, rather than being Holy Spirit taught. So were I to say something like the covenant with many is a direct reference to the demon/Principality known as Legion, they would give you 100 reasons why this can't be true, and it gets tiresome to hear it. So instead, I am trying to get to the heart of where preconceived assumptions held by prophecy studiers lead to certain eschatological outcomes. The denial of the restorative nature of prophecy leading to amillennialism.

ALL pre-conceived assumptions have their origin.
ALL doctrinal error assumes correctness based upon limited understanding of the Complete Picture of Scripture.
The spirit of error redirects the hearts/minds of Christians from the whole Truth/Picture via 'Respect of Persons'.

As long as a Christian allow their heart to entertain 'Respect of Persons', they will struggle to SEE the Grand Masterpiece that the LORD has Painted.

TRUE as the saying goes = 'a Picture speaks a thousand words'
In the Realm of Scripture = ALL words Spoken are in Symphonic Harmony with each other IF you can Tune in..................

Peace

 

[Truth7t7]

Of course 2 Peter is True and it will eventually occur.

c.) Creation, its destruction and the New Heavens and Earth are in His Power and will not occur until that which HE spoke is completed.

Your posted response is a big "Diversion", the event will take place at the future second coming, immediately after the tribulation (The End)

 

[David in NJ]

Your posted response is a big "Diversion", the event will take place at the future second coming, immediately after the tribulation (The End)

If you say so it must be correct.

 

[Truth7t7]

ALL pre-conceived assumptions have their origin.
ALL doctrinal error assumes correctness based upon limited understanding of the Complete Picture of Scripture.
The spirit of error redirects the hearts/minds of Christians from the whole Truth/Picture via 'Respect of Persons'.

As long as a Christian allow their heart to entertain 'Respect of Persons', they will struggle to SEE the Grand Masterpiece that the LORD has Painted.

TRUE as the saying goes = 'a Picture speaks a thousand words'
In the Realm of Scripture = ALL words Spoken are in Symphonic Harmony with each other IF you can Tune in..................

Peace

Your response is "Opinion" void of scripture in support

 

[David in NJ]

Your response is "Opinion" void of scripture in support

If you say so it must be correct.