Another Premillennial absurdity

[WPM]

Are you familiar with HOW conversations work?
I am waiting for you to answer my question...THEN I will answer yours.

Read the post above before coming out with statements like this. Now, will you answer my questions instead of your usual avoidance?

 

[WPM]

Why are you quoting me scripture that has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with WHAT you will be DOING on the face of the EARTH WHEN God sends Down from Heaven His Wrath and Tribulations?


Here’s few examples of WHAT men on the face of the earth WILL BE DOING when Gods sends Down from Heaven His Wrath and Tribulations...



Rev 1
[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


Rev 7
[8] And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Which part of a fourth of the earth will YOU be?

Rev 18:
[8] Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

Rev 18:
[15] The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
[16] And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
[17] For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
[18] And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
[19] And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

** Sounds simply delightful to be ON the face of the EARTH WHEN Gods SENDS DOWN FROM Heaven His Wrath and Tribulations...
(Rolleyes).... NOT!

** But hey God IS accommodating...ALL will receive what their truth dictates they want.

Funny, you expect to be ON the face of the Earth, during Gods Wrath and Tribulations....but can not answer WHAT you think you will be DOING.

I would say, most LIKELY, being afraid, weeping, crying, wailing, mourning, subject to being killed with the sword, famine, fire or beasts of the earth....

But hey, that is simply based ON Scriptural Teaching....

I just don’t SEE any mention OF Gentiles “Christians” ANYWHERE ON the face of the EARTH, (during God sending down His Wrath and Tribulations upon the face fo the earth).... walking about, hunkered down in a safe place SPEAKING, PREACHING, Sending out BY ANY MEANS, the Word of God....

So, AGAIN, what “DO” you think you will be “DOING” on the face of the Earth, WHEN God is sending down from Heaven UPON the face of the Earth....HIS Wrath and Tribulations?

Does your mum know you are online? This is why i am for parental control.

 

[Taken]

Do you literally believe Christ is coming suddenly and unexpectedly "as a thief in the night" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe the wicked will experience "sudden destruction" from His appearance as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
Do you literally believe the wicked "shall not escape" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
Do you literally believe that "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that "the elements shall melt with fervent heat" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10 & 12)?
Do you literally believe that "the earth also ... shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that "the works that are therein [the earth] shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that the righteous are actually looking "for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness” when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:13)?

QUESTION 1...yes
QUESTION 2...yes
QUESTION 3...yes
QUESTION 4...yes
QUESTION 5...yes
QUESTION 6...yes
QUESTION 7...yes
QUESTION 8...yes

What is YOUR answers to your same 8 questions?

 

[Taken]

Does your mum know you are online? This is why i am for parental control.

Do not speak of my mother whose body is rotting in the earth, whose soul and spirit is resting in peace in Heaven.

That is why I am against people who speak about that which they know not.

 

[jeffweeder]

Why are you quoting me scripture that has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with WHAT you will be DOING on the face of the EARTH WHEN God sends Down from Heaven His Wrath and Tribulations?

I will be trying to snatch people out of the immanent wrath judgment of fire at the end of the tribulation period when Jesus immediately comes...so as to stand in his coming presence in glorification with the rest of the saved on the last day.
Just as Jude advised.

Jude 1
17 But as for you, beloved, remember the [prophetic] words spoken by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. 18 They used to say to you, “In the last days there will be scoffers, following after their own ungodly passions.” 19 These are the ones who are [agitators] causing divisions—worldly-minded [secular, unspiritual, carnal, merely sensual—unsaved], devoid of the Spirit. 20 But you, beloved, build yourselves up on [the foundation of] your most holy faith [continually progress, rise like an edifice higher and higher], pray in the Holy Spirit, 21 and keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously and looking forward to the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ [which will bring you] to eternal life. 22 And have mercy on some, who are doubting; 23 save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy but with fear, loathing even the clothing spotted and polluted by their shameless immoral freedom.

24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling or falling into sin, and to present you unblemished [blameless and faultless] in the presence of His glory with triumphant joy and unspeakable delight, 25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and power, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

 

[Taken]

I will be trying to snatch people out of the immanent wrath judgment of fire at the end of the tribulation period when Jesus immediately comes...so as to stand in his coming presence in glorification with the rest of the saved on the last day.
Just as Jude advised.

Jude 1
17 But as for you, beloved, remember the [prophetic] words spoken by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. 18 They used to say to you, “In the last days there will be scoffers, following after their own ungodly passions.” 19 These are the ones who are [agitators] causing divisions—worldly-minded [secular, unspiritual, carnal, merely sensual—unsaved], devoid of the Spirit. 20 But you, beloved, build yourselves up on [the foundation of] your most holy faith [continually progress, rise like an edifice higher and higher], pray in the Holy Spirit, 21 and keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously and looking forward to the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ [which will bring you] to eternal life. 22 And have mercy on some, who are doubting; 23 save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy but with fear, loathing even the clothing spotted and polluted by their shameless immoral freedom.

24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling or falling into sin, and to present you unblemished [blameless and faultless] in the presence of His glory with triumphant joy and unspeakable delight, 25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and power, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

What you will be doing ON earth When God sends His Wrath and Tribulations down upon the face of the Earth is snatching people out of Gods Wrath?

Interesting but not plausible.

 

[jeffweeder]

What you will be doing ON earth When God sends His Wrath and Tribulations down upon the face of the Earth is snatching people out of Gods Wrath?

Interesting but not plausible.

Why not?
Jude thought it was a good idea.
The Church is all about the ministry of reconciliation to the end...amazing grace available to ones very last breath.
I am with you even until the very end of this age. No abandonment.

 

[Taken]

Why not?
Jude thought it was a good idea.
The Church is all about the ministry of reconciliation to the end...amazing grace available to ones very last breath.
I am with you even until the very end of this age. No abandonment.

The Last Days / Last Times began when the Son of God was manifested ON Earth.

Heb 1:
[2] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

1 Pet 1:
[20] Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

2 Pet 2:
[3] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

CHECK....^^ running the gambit in full force.

The Church is NOT ONCE mentioned as BEING ON the Earth when God is IN Heaven Sending His Wrath and Tribulations from Heaven upon the Face of the Earth.

 

[jeffweeder]

The Church is NOT ONCE mentioned as BEING ON the Earth when God is IN Heaven Sending His Wrath and Tribulations from Heaven upon the Face of the Earth.

Yes we are in the last days of this present age.
On the very last day of this age we are raised and changed to Glory by his appearing a second time, while the unbelieving are judged by the very words spoken by Jesus in this age of grace by that very same appearing.

Both remain on this earth till his departure from heaven on the very last day.

Read slowly and carefully the scriptures below.

Act 3

19 So repent [change your inner self—your old way of thinking, regret past sins] and return [to God—seek His purpose for your life], so that your sins may be wiped away [blotted out, completely erased], so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord [restoring you like a cool wind on a hot day];

20 and that He may send [to you] Jesus, the Christ, who has been appointed for you, 21 whom heaven must keep until the time for the [complete] restoration of all things about which God promised through the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.

22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your countrymen; you shall listen to Him and obey everything He tells you. 23 And it will be that every person that does not listen to and heed that Prophet will be utterly destroyed from among the people.


2Thess 1
4 Therefore, we speak of you with pride among the churches of God for your steadfastness [your unflinching endurance, and patience] and your firm faith in the midst of all the persecution and [crushing] distress which you endure.

5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him].

9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day [that is, glorified through the changed lives of those who have accepted Him as Savior and have been set apart for His purpose], and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed and trusted [and confirmed in your lives].

 

[WPM]

QUESTION 1...yes
QUESTION 2...yes
QUESTION 3...yes
QUESTION 4...yes
QUESTION 5...yes
QUESTION 6...yes
QUESTION 7...yes
QUESTION 8...yes

What is YOUR answers to your same 8 questions?

You do not believe all that. Why can you not tell the truth? Life continues on after Christ returns in your theology. Mortals and sinners survive and flourish. The earth continues deying and decaying. There is no replacement of the current arrangement. You are deluding yourself.

 

[WPM]

The Last Days / Last Times began when the Son of God was manifested ON Earth.

Heb 1:
[2] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

1 Pet 1:
[20] Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

2 Pet 2:
[3] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

CHECK....^^ running the gambit in full force.

The Church is NOT ONCE mentioned as BEING ON the Earth when God is IN Heaven Sending His Wrath and Tribulations from Heaven upon the Face of the Earth.

Once again, you are contrading yourself. One post demolishes another. This is the opposite to what you previously said. The last days have been going since the First Advent. It will end at the last day when Jesus comes.

Are we the redeemed?
Are we the elect?
Are we the saints?

 

[Taken]

Yes we are in the last days of this present age.
On the very last day of this age we are raised and changed to Glory by his appearing a second time, while the unbelieving are judged by the very words spoken by Jesus in this age of grace by that very same appearing.

Both remain on this earth till his departure from heaven on the very last day.

Read slowly and carefully the scriptures below.

Act 3

19 So repent [change your inner self—your old way of thinking, regret past sins] and return [to God—seek His purpose for your life], so that your sins may be wiped away [blotted out, completely erased], so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord [restoring you like a cool wind on a hot day];

20 and that He may send [to you] Jesus, the Christ, who has been appointed for you, 21 whom heaven must keep until the time for the [complete] restoration of all things about which God promised through the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.

22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your countrymen; you shall listen to Him and obey everything He tells you. 23 And it will be that every person that does not listen to and heed that Prophet will be utterly destroyed from among the people.


2Thess 1
4 Therefore, we speak of you with pride among the churches of God for your steadfastness [your unflinching endurance, and patience] and your firm faith in the midst of all the persecution and [crushing] distress which you endure.

5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him].

9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day [that is, glorified through the changed lives of those who have accepted Him as Savior and have been set apart for His purpose], and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed and trusted [and confirmed in your lives].

Acts 3:
[19] Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Already accomplished.

[20] And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Already accomplished.

[21] Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Applies to Jesus Christ.

[22] For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren,...

Already accomplished.

like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

Already accomplished. Waiting for rising up signal.

2 Thes 1:
[4] So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

Applies to the Apostles.

[5] Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God,

Already accomplished.

[5}...for which ye also suffer:

Yep, routinely Liberty thieves on the prowl.

[6] Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

Applies to God.

[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Applies to those who reject the Lord God.

Not sure what message you are trying to convey.
I don’t hope to accomplish what is already accomplished in me.
Fully aware men on earth cause men on earth troubles.
Fully aware of the fate of men who have and will reject the Lord God.

 

[Taken]

Once again, you are contrading yourself. One post demolishes another. This is the opposite to what you previously said. The last days have been going since the First Advent. It will end at the last day when Jesus comes.

Are we the redeemed?
Are we the elect?
Are we the saints?

Per your usual, again making false accusations.

WE? LOL, uh no, I do not speak for you.

Me “redeemed”?
According to Gods Word; Prepared; washed, sanctified, justified.
Risen Up...not yet.

Me “elect”?
I am not Israel,
As Gods elect...yes

Me “saint” ?
Yes

You...suspect.

 

[jeffweeder]

Acts 3:
[19] Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Already accomplished.

[20] And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Already accomplished.

[21] Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Applies to Jesus Christ.

[22] For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren,...

Already accomplished.

like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

Already accomplished. Waiting for rising up signal.

2 Thes 1:
[4] So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

Applies to the Apostles.

[5] Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God,

Already accomplished.

[5}...for which ye also suffer:

Yep, routinely Liberty thieves on the prowl.

[6] Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

Applies to God.

[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Applies to those who reject the Lord God.

Not sure what message you are trying to convey.
I don’t hope to accomplish what is already accomplished in me.
Fully aware men on earth cause men on earth troubles.
Fully aware of the fate of men who have and will reject the Lord God.

May the New Year bring you much needed revelation and happiness.

 

[WPM]

Per your usual, again making false accusations.

WE? LOL, uh no, I do not speak for you.

Me “redeemed”?
According to Gods Word; Prepared; washed, sanctified, justified.
Risen Up...not yet.

Me “elect”?
I am not Israel,
As Gods elect...yes

Me “saint” ?
Yes

You...suspect.

The Church is described as the “saints” in Revelation 5:8, 8:3, 8:4, 11:18, 13:7, 13:10, 14:12, 15:3, 16:6, 17:6, 19:8 and 20:9.

The New Testament uses the term “saint” some 59 times, repeatedly describing Christians who walk in newness of life. The objective Bible student can quickly discern that this name consistently pertains to true believers in the New Testament.

The Church is described in Revelation as the “redeemed” in Revelation 5:9, 14:3 and 14:4.

The New Testament makes it abundantly clear that Christians alone are “redeemed” through the blood of Jesus Christ (Luke 1:68, 24:21, Gal 3:13, 4:5. Titus 2:14 and 1 Peter 1:18). The unregenerate have not partook in this life-changing experience.

The Church is also known in Revelation, like elsewhere in Scriptures, as the “brethren” Such references are found in Revelation 6:11, 12:10, 19:10, 22:9.

The Church is referred to in Revelation 17:14 as the “chosen (or elect), and faithful.”

The word rendered “chosen” in the King James Version is the Greek word eklektos, and is the same word used in Matthew and Mark to describe the elect that are gathered unto Christ at His coming after the tribulation. It is the same word that is used 23 times in the New Testament to denote the redeemed, blood-bought, members of Christ’s Church!

The Church is described as “servants” in Revelation 1:1, 2:20, 7:3, 10:7, 11:18, 19:2, 19:5, 22:3 and 22:6.

The Church is described as those “in / with white robes,” who are washed in the blood of the Lamb in Revelation 3:4, 5, 18, 4:4, 6:11, 7:9, 13, 14, and 19:8, 14.

The Church is described as “kings and priests” in Revelation 1:6, 5:10 and 20:6.

God’s people are described as “souls” twice in Revelation, both in a heavenly context, both thus relating to the disembodied saints, in Revelation 6:9 and 20:4.

The disembodied saints are also known as “fellowservants” in Revelation 6:11.

The Church is also described as a “woman” in Revelation 12:1,4, 6,13,15,16 and 17.

The Church is also described as “the temple” in Revelation 3:12, 11:1 and 2. Notwithstanding, there are other passages in Revelation that could link the temple to the Church.

The Church in heaven is described in Revelation 14:13 as “the dead which die in the Lord.”

The Church is described in Revelation 15:2 as “them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark.”

The Church is also known in Revelation as “he/him that overcometh” (speaking in generic terms) – Revelation 2:7, 11, 17, 26, 3:5, 12, 21 and 21:7.

The saints are described in Revelation 16:15 as “he that watcheth, and keepeth their garments.”

The Church is also expressed in Revelation 18:4 as “my people,” in Revelation 21:3 as “his people” and Revelation 19:1 as “much people in heaven.”

Revelation 7:9 describes God’s people in heaven as “a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues.” Revelation 5:9 says: “out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.”

The Church is also described as “the bride” of Christ in Revelation 18:23, 21:9, 22:17, and similarly as “the Lamb's wife” in Revelation 19:7 and 21:9.

Revelation 12:17, 14:12 and 21:14 describes the Church as “they that do/keep God’s commandments.”

The Church is also described as “the armies which were in heaven” in Revelation 19:14.

Revelation 21:24 describes the Church as “them which are saved.”

Revelation 21:27 describes the Church as “they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.”

Most of the above are familiar terms used to describe the universal Church of Jesus Christ are found elsewhere in the Bible (Old and New Testament) describing God’s people the Church. These are general terms that are commonly used and perfectly understood by all sensible Christians as describing God’s chosen people throughout the centuries and throughout the nations.

There are many different references throughout the whole book of Revelation to the existence, testimony and endurance of Christians during the tribulation period. These saints are described as those that possess “the faith of Jesus” (Revelation 14:1), and consequently carry “the testimony of Jesus” (Revelation 1:2, 9, 12:17, 19:10), and are “the witness of Jesus” (Revelation 20:4). They exhibit the “patience of Jesus” (Revelation 1:9), and many become the “martyrs of Jesus” (Revelation 17:6). Frankly, if these aren’t Christians, what are they?

A passage that ably supports this supposition and locates the Christian in the tribulation period is Revelation 14:12-13, which says, “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.”

The “patience of the saints” here in Revelation 14:12 must surely be linked to the “patience of Jesus” in Revelation 1:9.

The means by which these saints overcome the devil, the world and the flesh during great tribulation is the exact same as that employed by Christians throughout history. Those Christians that carry “the testimony of Jesus” in the tribulation are seen to conquer Satan by “the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony” (Revelation 12:11), again, confirming their sure unitary position within the redeemed Church of Jesus Christ.

 

[Taken]

You do not believe all that. Why can you not tell the truth? Life continues on after Christ returns in your theology. Mortals and sinners survive and flourish. The earth continues deying and decaying. There is no replacement of the current arrangement. You are deluding yourself.

Liberal? Democrat? Anti-Christ?

Do not speak your own forked tongued speech FOR ME.

The Lord...
The Lamb of God...
Christ...
Jesus...
is not limited by your insistence to repeatedly reveal your lack of Spiritual Understanding.

AND I am not accountable for your insistence to repeatedly SPEAK FOR ME.

 

[Taken]

May the New Year bring you much needed revelation and happiness.

GAG.

 

[WPM]

Liberal? Democrat? Anti-Christ?

Do not speak your own forked tongued speech FOR ME.

The Lord...
The Lamb of God...
Christ...
Jesus...
is not limited by your insistence to repeatedly reveal your lack of Spiritual Understanding.

AND I am not accountable for your insistence to repeatedly SPEAK FOR ME.

Because you cannot speak the truth. You boast everything that is contrary to the sacred text. The texts I presented show that the coming of Christ as a thief in the night is the end of this current world. You deny that yet you claim the opposite when your theology is exposed. Why can you not tell the truth?

How can any survive the events of 1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10? Yet, you have millions of wicked living and prospering after the coming of Christ.

 

[Taken]

The Church is described as the “saints” in Revelation 5:8, 8:3, 8:4, 11:18, 13:7, 13:10, 14:12, 15:3, 16:6, 17:6, 19:8 and 20:9.

The New Testament uses the term “saint” some 59 times, repeatedly describing Christians who walk in newness of life. We are therefore looking at true believers in Christ.

The Church is described in Revelation as the “redeemed” in Revelation 5:9, 14:3 and 14:4.

The Church is also known in Revelation, like elsewhere in Scriptures, as the “brethren” Such references are found in Revelation 6:11, 12:10, 19:10, 22:9.

The Church is referred to in Revelation 17:14 as the “chosen (or elect), and faithful.”

The word rendered “chosen” in the King James Version is the Greek word eklektos, and is the same word used in Matthew and Mark to describe the elect that are gathered unto Christ at His coming after the tribulation. It is the same word that is used 23 times in the New Testament to denote the redeemed, blood-bought, members of Christ’s Church!

The Church is described as “servants” in Revelation 1:1, 2:20, 7:3, 10:7, 11:18, 19:2, 19:5, 22:3 and 22:6.

The Church is described as those “in / with white robes,” who are washed in the blood of the Lamb in Revelation 3:4, 5, 18, 4:4, 6:11, 7:9, 13, 14, and 19:8, 14.

The Church is described as “kings and priests” in Revelation 1:6, 5:10 and 20:6.

God’s people are described as “souls” twice in Revelation, both in a heavenly context, both thus relating to the disembodied saints, in Revelation 6:9 and 20:4.

The disembodied saints are also known as “fellowservants” in Revelation 6:11.

The Church is also described as a “woman” in Revelation 12:1,4, 6,13,15,16 and 17.

The Church is also described as “the temple” in Revelation 3:12, 11:1 and 2. Notwithstanding, there are other passages in Revelation that could link the temple to the Church.

The Church in heaven is described in Revelation 14:13 as “the dead which die in the Lord.”

The Church is described in Revelation 15:2 as “them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark.”

The Church is also known in Revelation as “he/him that overcometh” (speaking in generic terms) – Revelation 2:7, 11, 17, 26, 3:5, 12, 21 and 21:7.

The saints are described in Revelation 16:15 as “he that watcheth, and keepeth their garments.”

The Church is also expressed in Revelation 18:4 as “my people,” in Revelation 21:3 as “his people” and Revelation 19:1 as “much people in heaven.”

Revelation 7:9 describes God’s people in heaven as “a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues.” Revelation 5:9 says: “out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.”

The Church is also described as “the bride” of Christ in Revelation 18:23, 21:9, 22:17, and similarly as “the Lamb's wife” in Revelation 19:7 and 21:9.

Revelation 12:17, 14:12 and 21:14 describes the Church as “they that do/keep God’s commandments.”

The Church is also described as “the armies which were in heaven” in Revelation 19:14.

Revelation 21:24 describes the Church as “them which are saved.”

Revelation 21:27 describes the Church as “they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.”

Most of the above are familiar terms used to describe the universal Church of Jesus Christ are found elsewhere in the Bible (Old and New Testament) describing God’s people the Church. These are general terms that are commonly used and perfectly understood by all sensible Christians as describing God’s chosen people throughout the centuries and throughout the nations.

There are many different references throughout the whole book of Revelation to the existence, testimony and endurance of Christians during the tribulation period. These saints are described as those that possess “the faith of Jesus” (Revelation 14:1), and consequently carry “the testimony of Jesus” (Revelation 1:2, 9, 12:17, 19:10), and are “the witness of Jesus” (Revelation 20:4). They exhibit the “patience of Jesus” (Revelation 1:9), and many become the “martyrs of Jesus” (Revelation 17:6). Frankly, if these aren’t Christians, what are they?

A passage that ably supports this supposition and locates the Christian in the tribulation period is Revelation 14:12-13, which says, “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.”

The “patience of the saints” here in Revelation 14:12 must surely be linked to the “patience of Jesus” in Revelation 1:9.

The means by which these saints overcome the devil, the world and the flesh during great tribulation is the exact same as that employed by Christians throughout history. Those Christians that carry “the testimony of Jesus” in the tribulation are seen to conquer Satan by “the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony” (Revelation 12:11), again, confirming their sure unitary position within the redeemed Church of Jesus Christ.

Yipes....
I am quite familiar with what Scripture (using a word you seem to LIKE....aka LITERALLY) says...your commentary on MEANING is suspect.

The two witnesses (rev 12:11) are NEVER called “Christians”.

Rev 14:1 is NOT a reference to “Christians”. They are the Tribes of ISRAEL!

Do you even KNOW it was an UNBELIEVER who coined the term Christian?

Not news....God began APPOINTING “mortal Priests” ... Beginning with Aaron....and mortal kings over the kingdom of ISRAEL, Beginning with Saul.

Are you hoping God will appoint you, (a mortal), to be a king, or priest, during the Tribulation? Or perhaps during Christ’s 1,000 year reign.? Or perhaps in Gods Restored new world?

 

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Because you cannot speak the truth. You boast everything that is contrary to the scared text. The texts I presented show that the coming of Christ as a thief in the night is the end of this current world. You deny that yet you claim the opposite when your theology is exposed. Why can you not tell the truth?

How can any survive the events of 1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10? Yet, you have millions of wicked living and prospering after the coming of Christ.

Your claims are utterly foolish. And sad as that is, you have accomplished to make me laugh at your repetitive foolishness.

It is a LIE for you to say I denied Christ comes as a thief in the night....
IF you were HONEST, you could QUOTE ME making that claim.

Since I said no such thing....you can NOT quote me saying that...
which reveals your DISHONESTY.