Another Premillennial absurdity

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The second coming brings a close to the day of salvation. Repeated Scripture shows that now is the only day of salvation. After showing us the destruction of this earth, the works that are in it, the heavens, the elements when Jesus comes, and after describing the longsuffering of God in the days of Noah before the destruction of all the wicked, Peter responds to the mockers scoffing at the apparent delay in Christ's return: “the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation” (2 Peter 3:15). See also Romans 2:4. He was reaffirming that salvation is limited to this side of the second coming. A sign of the end is that the Gospel must “be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come" (Matthew 24:14). The second coming brings the curtain down on the great commission. Once the ark door closes it is too late (Matthew 25:10-13, 28:19-20 and Act 3:19-21).

The age to come has no room for "mortals" (Luke 20:34-36, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 and Revelation 21-22) or the unregenerate (Psalm 37:9-11, Luke 17:26-30, 1 Corinthians 6:9, I Thessalonians 5:2-3, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10). This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

John 6:39-44, 54, John 11:21-27, John 12:48, Ephesians 1:10 and Revelation 10:5-7 would seem to suggest that time reaches its fullness at the climactic return of Christ. This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

Luke 20:34-36, Acts 3:19-21, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 ,1 Peter 1:3-5 and Revelation 21:1-5 all show that the end of the bondage of corruption occurs when Jesus comes. This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

1 Corinthians 13:12, Ephesians 4:13 and Revelation 10:5-7 show that the curtain coming down on the mystery of God, thus confirming we are at the end of time and entering into eternity when all will finally be revealed. This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

Repeated Scripture locates the replacement of the current heavens and earth with the new heavens and earth and incorruption at the second coming. Job 14:12-14, Isaiah 13:9-11, Isaiah 34:1-4, 8, Isaiah 65:17-21, Isaiah 66:22-24, Joel 2:3, Joel 2:10-11, Malachi 4:1-3, Matthew 24:29-30, Matthew 24:35-44, Mark 13:24-26, Luke 21:25-27, Romans 8:18-23, 1 Corinthians 15:23-24, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-13, Hebrews 1:10-12, Revelation 6:13-17, Revelation 16:15-20, Revelation 19:11-16 and Revelation 20:11-15 shows us that this occurs at the second coming. This is indeed the end of time, the end of corruption, the end of the wicked, the end of sin, the end of death, the end for the devil. It is the beginning of eternity. It is the beginning of perfection. It is the beginning of incorruption. It is the beginning of a new arrangement.

It seems like whatever angle you examine the second coming it appears to be climactic, final and glorious.

REPEAT your SIMPLE QUESTION, and I will give you a SIMPLE ANSWER.

I fail to see a question.

 

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Everyone knows why you will not provide us with a proof text for your beliefs. That is because you do not have one. It is a man-made Jesuit doctrine that must be taught to you. You would never find it of yourself.

Until you bring something of substance it is pointless engaging with you. I will ignore your gibberish you write. It is unintelligible and horrible grammar.

I have MANY beliefs....is there a SPECIFIC belief I have you have SPECIFICALLY asked me about?

 

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Everyone knows why you will not provide us with a proof text for your beliefs. That is because you do not have one. It is a man-made Jesuit doctrine that must be taught to you. You would never find it of yourself.

Until you bring something of substance it is pointless engaging with you. I will ignore the gibberish you write. It is unintelligible and horrible grammar.

Awesome to know you have concluded EVERYONE is a skilled mindreader.
LOL

 

[WPM]

I have MANY beliefs....is there a SPECIFIC belief I have you have SPECIFICALLY asked me about?

Where in Scripture teaches a rapture of the Church, followed by seven-year tribulation, followed by a third coming of the Lord?

 

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Where in Scripture teaches a rapture of the Church, followed by seven-year tribulation, followed by a third coming of the Lord?

LOL....Again THREE separate topics...
LOL....Again OBVIOUSLY lacking comprehension, WHEN two are NOT in agreement, attempting to JUMBLE multiple topics together ONLY adds to confusion. Rolleyes!

Catching UP of Christ’s Church, applies to Catching UP of THOSE “IN” Christ.

1 Thes 4:
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them (dead IN Christ) in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

“US” are they “IN” Christ ALREADY DELIVERED FROM the WRATH to COME.
“US” are they “IN Christ”, Listening, Hearing, Waiting, Responding to THE SIGNAL, and caught UP....BEFORE the WRATH is sent down from Heaven.

1 Thes 1:
[10] And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

A following Tribulation of Wrath...(Chaos, Destruction, Death,) from Heaven...

Rom 1
[18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

“A” Seven Year Tribulation is not expressly taught in Scripture.

The Length of TIME regarding the end times Tribulation requires a mans WISDOM to seek express TIMES revealed and basic knowledge of ADDITION!

If you lack the ability to discover express TIMES and basic knowledge of ADDITION...that would your problem of lacking WISDOM.

A THIRD COMING of the Lord?

No I will not ANSWER to something I never claimed.

 

[-Phil]

Thanks for your opinion beliefs are beliefs...
This subject has run it’s course.

Opinions are thoughts. Believed, they’re beliefs.
There’s nothing wrong with this!

 

[WPM]

LOL....Again THREE separate topics...
LOL....Again OBVIOUSLY lacking comprehension, WHEN two are NOT in agreement, attempting to JUMBLE multiple topics together ONLY adds to confusion. Rolleyes!

Catching UP of Christ’s Church, applies to Catching UP of THOSE “IN” Christ.

1 Thes 4:
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them (dead IN Christ) in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

“US” are they “IN” Christ ALREADY DELIVERED FROM the WRATH to COME.
“US” are they “IN Christ”, Listening, Hearing, Waiting, Responding to THE SIGNAL, and caught UP....BEFORE the WRATH is sent down from Heaven.

1 Thes 1:
[10] And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

A following Tribulation of Wrath...(Chaos, Destruction, Death,) from Heaven...

Rom 1
[18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

“A” Seven Year Tribulation is not expressly taught in Scripture.

The Length of TIME regarding the end times Tribulation requires a mans WISDOM to seek express TIMES revealed and basic knowledge of ADDITION!

If you lack the ability to discover express TIMES and basic knowledge of ADDITION...that would your problem of lacking WISDOM.

A THIRD COMING of the Lord?

No I will not ANSWER to something I never claimed.

So, if is not taught in Scripture where do you get it?

From the Left Behind series.

 

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So, if is not taught in Scripture where do you get it?

From the Left Behind series.

Did I say NOT Taught IN Scripture? Uh no. Why ask me about something I did not say?

The “Left Behind series”? Uh, Why ask me about something I did not say?

 

[Truth7t7]

Perhaps you have missed the teachings...OF HIS TIMES.
I have not SEEN you give YOUR belief of WHO ARE the “kings” OVER WHICH the King shall rule.

Perhaps you could ELABORATE. Who are the “kings” over which IN HIS TIMES...the KIng shall rule?

Perhaps you could ELABORATE. When are “HIS TIMES”....that King shall rule over other kings?

1Tim.6​

1. [15] Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

Rev.17​

1. [14] These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, andKing of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Rev.19​

1. [16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS

Jesus Christ returns in "Fire" and "Destruction" of the wicked, there isn't going to be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth following, you have been shown this biblical truth "Several Times" to your willful disregard to the holy scripture before your eyes

Jesus Christ will "Reveal In "Fire" and "Destruction" of the wicked world (The End)

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Revelation 19:15KJV
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[WPM]

Did I say NOT Taught IN Scripture? Uh no. Why ask me about something I did not say?

The “Left Behind series”? Uh, Why ask me about something I did not say?

You are advocating a doctrine that you admit is extra-biblical. We all know that. You are just reminding us of it. It should be rejected. It is a Jesuit infiltration of the truth faith.

 

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@WPM
You seem to be struggling...

Gods KNOWLEDGE is taught in Scripture. (Men can believe it OR NOT).

The UNDERSTANDING of Gods Knowledge (according TO God), IS given men,
(FROM God)....(WHEN a man WITH God, seeks, asks Gods FOR “HIS” understanding of “HIS” knowledge, God GIVES that individual what he seeks.)

WHEN a man UNDERSTANDS the KNOWLEDGE (according TO God), that man has gained WISDOM.

I have no clue what you READ, what you BELIEVE, what you UNDERSTAND....
IF it is According to YOU, or you have adopted joe blows beliefs, joe blows understanding....YOU know what you personally do.

On this open forum, I don’t observe YOU standing FOR anything particular regarding Gods Word. Primarily what I observe is YOU making up BELIEFS that others DO not CLAIM and then standing AGAINST the others.

Gaslighting....then carrying on about an other not playing according to YOUR games.

 

[WPM]

@WPM
You seem to be struggling...

Gods KNOWLEDGE is taught in Scripture. (Men can believe it OR NOT).

The UNDERSTANDING of Gods Knowledge (according TO God), IS given men,
(FROM God)....(WHEN a man WITH God, seeks, asks Gods FOR “HIS” understanding of “HIS” knowledge, God GIVES that individual what he seeks.)

WHEN a man UNDERSTANDS the KNOWLEDGE (according TO God), that man has gained WISDOM.

I have no clue what you READ, what you BELIEVE, what you UNDERSTAND....
IF it is According to YOU, or you have adopted joe blows beliefs, joe blows understanding....YOU know what you personally do.

On this open forum, I don’t observe YOU standing FOR anything particular regarding Gods Word. Primarily what I observe is YOU making up BELIEFS that others DO not CLAIM and then standing AGAINST the others.

Gaslighting....then carrying on about an other not playing according to YOUR games.

Hello! Of course, Gods Knowledge is taught in Scripture. We all believe that. But Pretrib is NOT. It is a man-made invention, as you now seem to admit.

 

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Jesus Christ returns in "Fire" and "Destruction" of the wicked, there isn't going to be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth following, you have been shown this biblical truth "Several Times" to your willful disregard to the holy scripture before your eyes

Jesus Christ will "Reveal In "Fire" and "Destruction" of the wicked world (The End)

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Revelation 19:15KJV
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

The FACT IS: Human EYES CAN NOT SEE the Spirit of God.
The FACT IS: The Son of Man was sent to EARTH, Human EYES SAW Him.
The FACT IS: The Son of Man shall RETURN FOR ALL earthly men’s EYES to SEE.

The FACT IS: Christ IS SPIRIT, Christ IS Gods POWER....
And really?
You expect to be STANDING ON the FACE of the EARTH LOOKING UP TO “SEE” the Spirit of God?

Congrats...

I expect TO BE WITH the Son of Man (UNSEEN by the Eyes of men “remaining” ON the FACE of the Earth )...when the Son of Man Returns.

The Son of Man RETURNS with Clouds.

Rev 1:
[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

It is NOT for men STANDING ON the FACE of the Earth TO SEE what IS IN the clouds that come WITH Him.

IF you studied THE FIRST GREAT Wrath, Tribulation, Death, Destruction, sent down from Heaven.....and
IF you BELIEVED what WAS shall be AGAIN....
WHERE the SAVED were...WAS NOT ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH!!
WHERE the SAVED were...WAS LIFTED UP ABOVE THE FACE OF THE EARTH!!

Gen 6:
[7] And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Gen 7:
[17] And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

If you expect to be on the face of the Earth, DURING Gods SECOND Great Tribulation....okie dokie.

Not for me to spoil your hopes....Enjoy.

 

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Hello! Of course, Gods Knowledge is taught in Scripture. We all believe that. But Pretrib is NOT. It is a man-made invention, as you now seem to admit.

What ARE YOU going to be DOING ON EARTH, when God sends DOWN from Heaven HIS Wrath and Tribulations?

Huh?

 

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Hello! Of course, Gods Knowledge is taught in Scripture. We all believe that. But Pretrib is NOT. It is a man-made invention, as you now seem to admit.

Stop with your patently false implications.
I said, nor indicated, any such thing!

 

[jeffweeder]

What ARE YOU going to be DOING ON EARTH, when God sends DOWN from Heaven HIS Wrath and Tribulations?

Huh?

Jude 1
17 But as for you, beloved, remember the [prophetic] words spoken by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. 18 They used to say to you, “In the last days there will be scoffers, following after their own ungodly passions.” 19 These are the ones who are [agitators] causing divisions—worldly-minded [secular, unspiritual, carnal, merely sensual—unsaved], devoid of the Spirit. 20 But you, beloved, build yourselves up on [the foundation of] your most holy faith [continually progress, rise like an edifice higher and higher], pray in the Holy Spirit, 21 and keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously and looking forward to the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ [which will bring you] to eternal life. 22 And have mercy on some, who are doubting; 23 save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy but with fear, loathing even the clothing spotted and polluted by their shameless immoral freedom.

24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling or falling into sin, and to present you unblemished [blameless and faultless] in the presence of His glory with triumphant joy and unspeakable delight, 25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and power, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

 

[WPM]

What ARE YOU going to be DOING ON EARTH, when God sends DOWN from Heaven HIS Wrath and Tribulations?

Huh?

Hello! God rescues all His elect to the air and destroys all the wicked on earth. The wrath of God is the end of the world!

 

[WPM]

The FACT IS: Human EYES CAN NOT SEE the Spirit of God.
The FACT IS: The Son of Man was sent to EARTH, Human EYES SAW Him.
The FACT IS: The Son of Man shall RETURN FOR ALL earthly men’s EYES to SEE.

The FACT IS: Christ IS SPIRIT, Christ IS Gods POWER....
And really?
You expect to be STANDING ON the FACE of the EARTH LOOKING UP TO “SEE” the Spirit of God?

Congrats...

I expect TO BE WITH the Son of Man (UNSEEN by the Eyes of men “remaining” ON the FACE of the Earth )...when the Son of Man Returns.

The Son of Man RETURNS with Clouds.

Rev 1:
[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

It is NOT for men STANDING ON the FACE of the Earth TO SEE what IS IN the clouds that come WITH Him.

IF you studied THE FIRST GREAT Wrath, Tribulation, Death, Destruction, sent down from Heaven.....and
IF you BELIEVED what WAS shall be AGAIN....
WHERE the SAVED were...WAS NOT ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH!!
WHERE the SAVED were...WAS LIFTED UP ABOVE THE FACE OF THE EARTH!!

Gen 6:
[7] And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Gen 7:
[17] And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

If you expect to be on the face of the Earth, DURING Gods SECOND Great Tribulation....okie dokie.

Not for me to spoil your hopes....Enjoy.

Do you literally believe Christ is coming suddenly and unexpectedly "as a thief in the night" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe the wicked will experience "sudden destruction" from His appearance as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
Do you literally believe the wicked "shall not escape" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
Do you literally believe that "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that "the elements shall melt with fervent heat" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10 & 12)?
Do you literally believe that "the earth also ... shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that "the works that are therein [the earth] shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that the righteous are actually looking "for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness” when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:13)?

 

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Jude 1
17 But as for you, beloved, remember the [prophetic] words spoken by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. 18 They used to say to you, “In the last days there will be scoffers, following after their own ungodly passions.” 19 These are the ones who are [agitators] causing divisions—worldly-minded [secular, unspiritual, carnal, merely sensual—unsaved], devoid of the Spirit. 20 But you, beloved, build yourselves up on [the foundation of] your most holy faith [continually progress, rise like an edifice higher and higher], pray in the Holy Spirit, 21 and keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously and looking forward to the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ [which will bring you] to eternal life. 22 And have mercy on some, who are doubting; 23 save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy but with fear, loathing even the clothing spotted and polluted by their shameless immoral freedom.

24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling or falling into sin, and to present you unblemished [blameless and faultless] in the presence of His glory with triumphant joy and unspeakable delight, 25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and power, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

Why are you quoting me scripture that has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with WHAT you will be DOING on the face of the EARTH WHEN God sends Down from Heaven His Wrath and Tribulations?


Here’s few examples of WHAT men on the face of the earth WILL BE DOING when Gods sends Down from Heaven His Wrath and Tribulations...



Rev 1
[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


Rev 7
[8] And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Which part of a fourth of the earth will YOU be?

Rev 18:
[8] Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

Rev 18:
[15] The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
[16] And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
[17] For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
[18] And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
[19] And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

** Sounds simply delightful to be ON the face of the EARTH WHEN Gods SENDS DOWN FROM Heaven His Wrath and Tribulations...
(Rolleyes).... NOT!

** But hey God IS accommodating...ALL will receive what their truth dictates they want.

Funny, you expect to be ON the face of the Earth, during Gods Wrath and Tribulations....but can not answer WHAT you think you will be DOING.

I would say, most LIKELY, being afraid, weeping, crying, wailing, mourning, subject to being killed with the sword, famine, fire or beasts of the earth....

But hey, that is simply based ON Scriptural Teaching....

I just don’t SEE any mention OF Gentiles “Christians” ANYWHERE ON the face of the EARTH, (during God sending down His Wrath and Tribulations upon the face fo the earth).... walking about, hunkered down in a safe place SPEAKING, PREACHING, Sending out BY ANY MEANS, the Word of God....

So, AGAIN, what “DO” you think you will be “DOING” on the face of the Earth, WHEN God is sending down from Heaven UPON the face of the Earth....HIS Wrath and Tribulations?

 

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Do you literally believe Christ is coming suddenly and unexpectedly "as a thief in the night" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe the wicked will experience "sudden destruction" from His appearance as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
Do you literally believe the wicked "shall not escape" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
Do you literally believe that "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that "the elements shall melt with fervent heat" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10 & 12)?
Do you literally believe that "the earth also ... shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that "the works that are therein [the earth] shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that the righteous are actually looking "for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness” when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:13)?

Are you familiar with HOW conversations work?
I am waiting for you to answer my question...THEN I will answer yours.