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Peter preaching The Gospel of Jesus Christ to Gentiles per the Book of Acts...and before Paul (Saul) did...

Acts 10:36-44
36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (He is Lord of all:)
37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: Who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with Him.
39 And we are witnesses of all things which He did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; Whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed Him openly;
41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with Him after He rose from the dead.
42 And He commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is He Which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To Him give all the prophets witness, that through His name whosoever believeth in Him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
(KJV)


Same Gospel of believing on Jesus Christ's death and resurrection for the remission of sins that Apostle Paul preached to the Gentiles. Only here, it's Peter called to preach that SAME Gospel to Gentiles.



Acts 11:1-18
1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.

By "also" is meant the SAME Gospel of Jesus Christ which those in Judea and Galilee had accepted prior to it going to Gentiles.


2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,
3 Saying, "Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them."
4 But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,
5 "I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, 'Arise, Peter; slay and eat.'
8 But I said, 'Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.'
9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, 'What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.'
10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.
11 And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me.
12 And the spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:
13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, 'Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.'
15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that He said, 'John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost'
17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, 'Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.'
(KJV)

That IS... the preaching of Christ crucified. Those denying that Scripture evidence are of another spirit altogether.
 

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People replace a twisted meaning of words and confuse that with Jesus Christ the actual person...the living truth.
The bible records Jesus as saying "I am the way, the truth, and the life"

You didn't answer my question. You implied that the "twisted meaning of words" are the words of Christ to apparently make some point. Are you able to verbalize an answer without talking obliquely?
 

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You didn't answer my question. You implied that the "twisted meaning of words" are the words of Christ to apparently make some point. Are you able to verbalize an answer without talking obliquely?

I hope this is clearer...

2Pe_3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
 

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I hope this is clearer...

2Pe_3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

I knew you would respond like that because that is your attitude toward all who try to get a direct answer from you. IMO that technique derives from an attitude of self-righteousness that tries to marginalize the other person as a means of appearing superior and deflect attention from the fact that you refuse to answer the question.

So I will ask you again: How does Christ and his truth differ from the words of Christ?

A loving brother would answer directly. Do you have something to hide?
 

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I knew you would respond like that because that is your attitude toward all who try to get a direct answer from you. IMO that technique derives from an attitude of self-righteousness that tries to marginalize the other person as a means of appearing superior and deflect attention from the fact that you refuse to answer the question.

So I will ask you again: How does Christ and his truth differ from the words of Christ?

A loving brother would answer directly. Do you have something to hide?

He gave a valid answer, even more than one.

But it sounds like you're looking for some far out answer that aligns with some idea from men's doctrines that you learned from some preacher.
 

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He gave a valid answer, even more than one.

How does this answer the question? It doesn't. It's a distraction.

2Pe_3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
 

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The Scripture evidence for the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the Four Gospel Books being the SAME Gospel of Jesus Christ that Apostle Paul preached to both Jews and Gentiles (even at the same time per Acts) has been shown to you over and over, over and over. But you'd still rather believe a doctrine those like C.R.Stam came up with over the simplicity of the written Word of God.

Can't you do any better than that. You still refuse to accept that the gospel of grace was not preached by Jesus and the 12 in Matt., Mark, Luke, John and James. You fail to prove me wrong by using the scriptures. You only offer opinions and accusations.
 

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How does this answer the question? It doesn't. It's a distraction.

2Pe_3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Peter made the point that some have difficulty with Paul's Epistles as with other Scripture, specifically those who are unlearned and unstable.

Your kind of question of how Christ's Words are different from 'Christ and the truth' show that kind of wresting and instability within the Holy Scriptures.

Can't you do any better than that. You still refuse to accept that the gospel of grace was not preached by Jesus and the 12 in Matt., Mark, Luke, John and James. You fail to prove me wrong by using the scriptures. You only offer opinions and accusations.

That's laughable, for accusations of opinion is all... you're giving when I well showed Scripture evidence, even in Acts 10 with Peter preaching to Gentiles about Christ's death and resurrection for the remission of sins, the very same Gospel that Paul preached.
 

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Peter made the point that some have difficulty with Paul's Epistles as with other Scripture, specifically those who are unlearned and unstable.

Your kind of question of how Christ's Words are different from 'Christ and the truth' show that kind of wresting and instability within the Holy Scriptures.

Really? The scriptures call Christ the word of God. Christ called himself the truth. Could you please explain how this is "wresting and instability within the Holy Scriptures". :)
 

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Really? The scriptures call Christ the word of God. Christ called himself the truth. Could you please explain how this is "wresting and instability within the Holy Scriptures". :)

You evidently aren't thinking in the Spirit, for Christ Jesus is The Word, symbolic of The Living Word of Holy Writ, which of course is not different from Truth.
 

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Really? The scriptures call Christ the word of God. Christ called himself the truth. Could you please explain how this is "wresting and instability within the Holy Scriptures". :)
The difference is who is doing the interpreting.
 

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You evidently aren't thinking in the Spirit, for Christ Jesus is The Word, symbolic of The Living Word of Holy Writ, which of course is not different from Truth.

Am I reading your answer correctly? "Christ Jesus is ... symbolic of The Living Word of Holy Writ. Or are you saying something different?
 

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Am I reading your answer correctly? "Christ Jesus is ... symbolic of The Living Word of Holy Writ. Or are you saying something different?


John 1:14-17
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
(KJV)

Aren't you afraid of showing your unfamiliarity with The New Testament Scriptures, in favor of something else?
 

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You guys are a trip.

You didn't answer my question:​

Am I reading your answer correctly? "Christ Jesus is ... symbolic of The Living Word of Holy Writ. Or are you saying something different?
 

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Hyper-dispensatioinalism is worse than "bad". It's an extremist doctrine that even mainstream Dispensationalists don't want any part of.

Why? Because it denies most Books of The Bible as having anything to do with Gentile believers. So it teaches only Paul's Epistles need be heeded for Gentile believers.

The false idea of more than one Gospel of Jesus Christ also ought to raise an immediate flag, not to mention the false idea that The New Covenant hasn't even begun yet!

Thus Hyper-Dispensationalism is a doctrine of devils and false prophets.

This is patently false but typical of those who blindly accuse the mid-Acts position.
Their mantra is "The whole bible is for us but not the whole bible is to us."
Jesus told his disciples to go and preach the gospel of the kingdom and to go only to the lost sheep of Israel.(Mt 10:6) Later when he began to discuss his approaching death and resurrecction they took offense at it. If it was the same gospel, his disciples would already have known about his death and ressurrection.But they didn't and tried to rebuke him.Therefore different gospel.
Just another misguided emotionally charged accusation.
 

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This is patently false but typical of those who blindly accuse the mid-Acts position.
Their mantra is "The whole bible is for us but not the whole bible is to us."
Jesus told his disciples to go and preach the gospel of the kingdom and to go only to the lost sheep of Israel.(Mt 10:6) Later when he began to discuss his approaching death and resurrecction they took offense at it. If it was the same gospel, his disciples would already have known about his death and ressurrection.But they didn't and tried to rebuke him.Therefore different gospel.
Just another misguided emotionally charged accusation.

What amazes me is that some are filled with the same spirit that the Pharisees were. What they are doing is the same as they. They just can't stand it when someone else does not believe what they do. --- As you read what they write you can feel the hate that is behind what they write and yet they will claim that they do not sin. Well, the Pharisees couldn't see that plotting to have Jesus killed was murder and against the Law of Moses either.

Take care, Richard
 

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What amazes me is that some are filled with the same spirit that the Pharisees were. What they are doing is the same as they. They just can't stand it when someone else does not believe what they do. --- As you read what they write you can feel the hate that is behind what they write and yet they will claim that they do not sin. Well, the Pharisees couldn't see that plotting to have Jesus killed was murder and against the Law of Moses either.

Take care, Richard

That's actually a reverse-accusation, because there are quite a few here that have already disagreed strongly... with the false doctrine of a double gospel you've been preaching; and that's not to mention those other points I listed.