So, it's too hard for you to just pick and choose which posts you want to respond to. You're right. You're not a baby sitter. You're a baby. I'll go back to talking to adults now.
Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?
- Thread starter Spiritual Israelite
- Start date
-
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
jeffweeder
Well-Known Member
This has already begun through those that Jesus chose. They introduced it to their fellow countrymen and then later it went into all the world. Every Israelite should take note that today if you hear his voice, you better listen to it. Dont be like those in the wilderness. What you are proposing Charlie may cause some to sit on the fence until he comes before committing themselves, only then in my opinion it will be too late.
That is not correct! Only part of Israel has fulfilled that calling, by way of the Church!
The original calling of Israel was before and separate from the Church.
That is the calling they will fulfill! Totally and independent from the Church.
We're talking about God's chosen people here, and the Church is not that original chosen!
We (Israelite and Gentile believers) are His chosen now. Being a child of God is not dependent on one's nationality, as Paul indicated in Romans 9:6-8. We are all one in Christ. God does not have two groups of people, He has one and they are those who have faith. God made it so that there was no difference between the Jew and the Gentile but here you are saying there is still a difference.
Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Take Peter's words to heart. He said God "put no difference between" us (Jews) and them (Gentiles). So, don't create a difference between them.
Are you beginning to see the teachings of Dispensationalism creep into the conversation?
Israel and the Church dealt with in separate ways, their salvation at different times, their calling separate from that of the Church?
jeffweeder
Well-Known Member
Israelites did fulfill that calling and are the foundation to our eternal dwelling place with Abraham's seed as the cornerstone
So that I'm on target, are you speaking of Christ being the Seed of Abraham, the Cornerstone?
In Old Testament times, God slew Israelites by the thousands who apostasized into unfaithfulness and disobedience.
Did being chosen save them?
Of course not! Neither is it saving them now, or throughout their history.
Only faith in the Coming Christ could save them.
Only 3 of the original Hebrews who left Egypt of the estimated 2-3 million (including women and children) actually made it to the promised land. The rest died in the wilderness in unbelief over the 40 years.
And that is true for the people of all other nations as well. So, why act as if God has a separate plan for the people of Israel than He has for the people of other nations? He doesn't.
jeffweeder
Well-Known Member
Yes of course. I speak of the end product the NJ. As you were from the foundation of the world.
They were actually chosen in the very beginning of creation to be the mouthpiece of God.
They were to accept Christ as a nation when He came. Then they would announce their Messiah to the world.
In other words, they were chosen by God to evangelize the entire world.
And guess what? They are yet in the future going to do that very thing!
No, they have not! Israel was called as a nation. They will fulfill their calling, as a nation.
They failed the first time, but that failure created the Church!
But they will not fail the second time, we have to much Scripture, overwhelming Scripture to prove other wise.
But, they did do that. You are mistaken. It wasn't a requirement for all of them to accept Christ in order to fulfill the mission God had for Israel.
Colossians 1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, 4 because we have heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and of the love you have for all God’s people— 5 the faith and love that spring from the hope stored up for you in heaven and about which you have already heard in the true message of the gospel 6 that has come to you. In the same way, the gospel is bearing fruit and growing throughout the whole world—just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and truly understood God’s grace.
Paul and other Israelites brought the gospel "throughout the whole world" (the known world at the time) and it was "bearing fruit and growing". So, they did not fail to evangelize the world as you are falsely claiming.
Can someone who Charlie isn't ignoring please tell him this?
jeffweeder
Well-Known Member
Why on earth do think there is a need for Israel to have a 100% conversion rate in order to preach the same message of reconciliation to the world that they preached when they failed the first time??? God didn't fail the first time. He chose 12 of them and they are getting / got the Job done.
jeffweeder
Well-Known Member
But only a remnant will be saved (Romans 9:27). That's not the nation.
Have you noticed in the Scripture that even the original 12 left Israel behind and took that Gospel to various places around the world?
What that tells me is that man cannot convert the stiff-necked Jew. It will take an act of God in punishment for Him to keep the promise made to faithful Abraham.
I'm not going to avoid the fact that it seems the salvation of Israel is not fair. But I won't claim that statement not knowing the mind of God on the matter. I will accept His judgment as always fair and I will one day know why.
Paul goes back to the OT, as he always did, in this case, the words of Isaiah.
He is referring to the remnant down through history who have been saved of Israel. Including the remnant of his day.
We know from Scripture that only 1/3 of the population of Israel at the time of "Jacobs Trouble" the Great Tribulation will survive the anti-christ. Given there are presently app. 7 million in Israel now, that would be well over 4 million dead in Israel with the remaining being the remnant of Israel.
Similar threads
