Who does scripture say are God's people?
Galatians 3:26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?
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Galatians 3:26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
I'm not trying to be rude by saying this, but I can post as much as I want. It's up to you what you want to respond to or not.
What I said in post #130. I showed there how Paul indicated that it was the remnant of believers in Israel that were God's chosen, but not the unbelievers. God's chosen do not include unbelievers as you had claimed.
You can see in that post (#130) how I broke down what Paul said in Romans 11:1-7. So, if you disagree with my understanding of what he said, then please show me how you interpret that passage.
If you flood me it's over! I don't tolerate such rude behavior.
What exactly is your question? Just ask it clearly so I know what to say.
Are you saying you think the olive tree represents the nation of Israel? That can't be right. We Gentile believers are not grafted into the nation of Israel. We have been grafted into spiritual Israel which consists of Jew and Gentile believers. The Israelite unbelievers were cut off of the olive tree, so it can't represent the nation of Israel. They were not cut off from the nation of Israel, they were cut off from the kingdom of God (Matthew 21:43).
What is your problem? Why do you have to be so overly emotional like this as if I'm attacking you or something, which I am not? I told you what I would like you to address in post #142.
I am getting caught up on this thread and going through all the posts I missed since I made the original post yesterday. Is there something wrong with that?
Gentile believers are grafted in with Israelite believers. Israelite unbelievers were cut off.
Romans 11:17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
You seem to act as if all of Israel is part of the olive tree, but it's only believers who are in it, as is the case for Gentiles as well.
Where is this taught? Scripture says there is neither Jew nor Gentiles and that we are all one in Christ (Galatians 3:26-29). It does not teach that anyone is inferior.
There have been many Israelites that God has called to salvation and that have been saved after hearing the gospel for the past almost 2,000 years now. Why do you act as if God has postponed their salvation? There were 3,000 of them saved on the day of Pentecost alone, so their salvation was never postponed.
Already been through all of that. For you to bring it up, you must have read it!
Paul said some of Israel have been broken off the tree, then he said God is able to graft them back in "to their own olive tree."
Now who did Paul say the olive tree represents?
You have the wrong Israel in mind. Did you read my original post in this thread? I showed there which Israel consists only of saved people. That is Spiritual Israel, not the nation of Israel.
Why would Paul say that all of the nation of Israel would be saved shortly after having said this:
Romans 11:13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them.
He was hoping that SOME of them would be saved, but then later said ALL of them would be saved? That doesn't make sense. How did he go from hoping some of them would be saved to saying all of them would be saved in such a short time? No, he wouldn't contradict himself like that.
He doesn't like that you try to cause division amongst God's people even though He sent His Son to bring His people all together as one.
The nation of Israel is saved "after" the times of the Gentiles have completed.
Have you not read (Rom. 11:25), "Israel has been partially blinded until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."
So your theory is incorrect! National Israel is saved apart from the Gentiles. By the same Gospel but in a much different way.
jeffweeder
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Even the new king of England refers to himself as defender of the faith's rather than defender of THE faith.
Read what? I'm still getting caught up on all the posts made since I made my original post yesterday. I haven't had time to check this thread again until now.
It represents the kingdom of God that they were first part of before they were cut off. All Israelites were supposed to be in it, but those who rejected Christ had it taken away from them and they were cut off because of unbelief (Romans 11:20).
Matthew 21:42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: “‘The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? 43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.
The kingdom of God was taken away from Israelite people like the Pharisees and scribes and was given to those who accept Christ, including Jew and Gentile believers.
It can't represent the nation of Israel. No one was cut off from the nation of Israel because of unbelief. Instead, they were cut off from the kingdom of God. The Israel of God. Spiritual Israel.
You believe that God has two separate groups of people with one being the nation of Israel and one being the church. But, the fact of the matter is that God has one people who all belong to Christ and ethnicity or nationality has nothing to do with it.
Did you read my original post in this thread? If so, did you see what I said about Romans 9:6-8? It seems that you don't understand who God's people really are. Romans 9:6-8 makes it very clear that being a child of God has nothing to do with one's nationality.
You have the wrong Israel in mind. Can you tell me how you interpret this passage:
Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.
Everlasting land promise? Read Hebrews 11:8-16. Abraham and the Old Testament saints had a much better understanding of what God was promising them than what you do.
I'm not going to warn you again about multiple posting! I give you time to respond and you will do the same, one post at a time, or it's over.
If you read Hebrews 11:8-16 you can see that God had in mind to give them much more land than just the land of Canaan. Like Peter said in 2 Peter 3:13, we are looking forward to the new heavens and new earth where righteousness dwells. That is what is promised for God's people, not just a piece of land.
And if you read Galatians 3:16-29, and if you believe Paul, then you will see that the covenant made with Abraham and his seed was made with Abraham and his seed, which is Christ (Galatians 3:16) and was expanded to include those who belong to Christ as well (Galatians 3:29). You need to allow the New Testament to interpret the Old Testament for you.
You are not obligated to respond to all of my posts at the same time. I can post as much as I want. You can't tell me what to do. Why are you acting as if I told you to respond to all my posts immediately or else? This is the time I have to be on this forum and read posts so this is when I'm going to respond to posts. I don't know when the next time will be.
You're coming across as whiny and very childish here. Just respond to whatever posts you want and ignore the rest and come back to them later (or not). Is that too hard?
You have much to learn about proper communication! I'm not a baby sitter, so ignore seems to be the correct option!
Are you saying Jews like the Pharisees and scribes that Jesus called hypocrites and that He told their father was the devil are among God's chosen?
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