Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

[jeffweeder]

Bye, and while I'm at it, if you have any friends here, or anywhere else who believes they can prove their theory of Replacement Theology, tell them Charle24 would like to have conversation with them concerning that subject!

It's my favorite subject next to justification by faith alone!

Sorry, don't know anyone who believes that nonsense.

 

[Charlie24]

Sorry, don't know anyone who believes that nonsense.

Ahhh, the revised version of the Replacement Theology, even better!

 

[jeffweeder]

Ahhh, the revised version of the Replacement Theology, even better!

Luke
28 In that place there will be weeping [in sorrow and pain] and grinding of teeth [in distress and anger] when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out and driven away. 29 And people will come from east and west, and from north and south, and they will sit down [and feast at the table] in the kingdom of God.

Who is left out?
Are you from the south?:)

Not replacement, but inclusion. See you there (if you know much of anything.)

 

[Marty fox]

Bye, and while I'm at it, if you have any friends here, or anywhere else who believes they can prove their theory of Replacement Theology, tell them Charle24 would like to have conversation with them concerning that subject!

It's my favorite subject next to justification by faith alone!

Its not replacement theology but covenant theology.

 

[Charlie24]

Luke
28 In that place there will be weeping [in sorrow and pain] and grinding of teeth [in distress and anger] when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out and driven away. 29 And people will come from east and west, and from north and south, and they will sit down [and feast at the table] in the kingdom of God.

Who is left out?
Are you from the south?:)

Not replacement, but inclusion. See you there (if you know much of anything.)

Yes from the south, no on the inclusion! You are giving the Church the credit due to Israel.

You receive mercy because of Israel, you are saved so Israel can be saved.

We all receive the mercy of God, as was His plan. But you deny Israel their heritage with God.

He doesn't like that!

 

[Charlie24]

Its not replacement theology but covenant theology.

Yes, and what is covenant theology but Israel joined with the Church, and that is true in the times of the Gentiles.

But the national salvation of Israel is is a separate time and separate way of the Church.

 

[jeffweeder]

Yes, and what is covenant theology but Israel joined with the Church, and that is true in the times of the Gentiles.

But the national salvation of Israel is is a separate time and separate way of the Church.

What separate way are Israel saved?

Acts 13:46
And [at the same time] Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and confidently, saying, “It was necessary that God’s message [of salvation through faith in Christ] be spoken to you [Jews] first. Since you repudiate it and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, now we turn to the Gentiles.

1 Corinthians 15:11
So whether it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed and trusted in and relied on with confidence.
12 Now if Christ is preached as raised from the dead, how is it that some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?


One Gospel and one way

 

[Truth7t7]

Bye, and while I'm at it, if you have any friends here, or anywhere else who believes they can prove their theory of Replacement Theology, tell them Charle24 would like to have conversation with them concerning that subject!

It's my favorite subject next to justification by faith alone!

No such thing as "Replacement Theology" it's a phrase in propaganda put out by those who follow John N. Darby's dispensationalism

 

[Truth7t7]

You don't see the problem in your logic? 1st you claim the earth will be annihilated. And then you define the new creation as being the same old earth eternally in existence. You're stuck with a contradiction!

Your claims are "False" read it again, a New Earth In A New Creation

The Earth will remain forever, its called "New Earth" not Pluto, Mars, Jupiter, Moon, Saturn, but "Earth"

A New Creation, Behold, I Make All Things New

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Your claims are "False" read it again, a New Earth In A New Creation

The Earth will remain forever, its called "New Earth" not Pluto, Mars, Jupiter, Moon, Saturn, but "Earth"

A New Creation, Behold, I Make All Things New

You're not resolving your contradiction.

 

[Marty fox]

Yes, and what is covenant theology but Israel joined with the Church, and that is true in the times of the Gentiles.

But the national salvation of Israel is is a separate time and separate way of the Church.

But not all Israel are Israel.

 

[Truth7t7]

You're not resolving your contradiction.

No contradiction whatsoever, your a Millennialist that doesn't want his Zionist dream to dissappear, so you disregard the biblical truth before your eyes, it's that simple

The Earth will remain forever, its called "New Earth" not Pluto, Mars, Jupiter, Moon, Saturn, but "Earth"

A New Creation, Behold, I Make All Things New

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

 

[covenantee]

You don't understand why God will keep His promise to Abraham and his seed.

Already kept.

Galatians 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

2 Corinthians 1
20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

 

[Randy Kluth]

No contradiction whatsoever, your a Millennialist that doesn't want his Zionist dream to dissappear, so you disregard the biblical truth before your eyes, it's that simple

The Earth will remain forever, its called "New Earth" not Pluto, Mars, Jupiter, Moon, Saturn, but "Earth"

A New Creation, Behold, I Make All Things New

You haven't resolved your contradiction yet.... I'm assuming you can't?

 

[Charlie24]

What separate way are Israel saved?

Acts 13:46
And [at the same time] Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and confidently, saying, “It was necessary that God’s message [of salvation through faith in Christ] be spoken to you [Jews] first. Since you repudiate it and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, now we turn to the Gentiles.

1 Corinthians 15:11
So whether it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed and trusted in and relied on with confidence.
12 Now if Christ is preached as raised from the dead, how is it that some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?


One Gospel and one way

Of course all are saved by one Gospel. As Paul has said, during this time of Gentiles, Israel is in blindness. God is dealing with the Gentiles, although a handful of Jews are being saved.

But God will save all of Israel and use the Gentiles to do it. Do you have an objection to God saving all of Israel?

 

[Charlie24]

No such thing as "Replacement Theology" it's a phrase in propaganda put out by those who follow John N. Darby's dispensationalism

Well, I guess we will find out about that.

 

[Charlie24]

But not all Israel are Israel.

Paul said they will be. So it must be yet future.

 

[Charlie24]

Already kept.

Galatians 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

2 Corinthians 1
20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Has this been kept yet?

Gen. 17:7-8
"And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God."

 

[covenantee]

Has this been kept yet?

Gen. 17:7-8
"And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God."

It has.

Hebrews 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

 

[Charlie24]

It has.

Hebrews 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Here lies the problem with you guys! You think that since a handful of Israel are in this everlasting covenant that the promise is kept.

The Scripture plainly tells us that all of Israel will be saved, and that will be when God has kept His promise to Abraham.

They will all, every single one of them, as God said, "all of thee" will come under the covenant in Christ's Blood.

Then will the condition be met for the everlasting land promise.