22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[quietthinker]

37,114 views to date on this thread. What do you think this reveals where peoples focus and interest is?
Jesus is left in the dust for the sake of their constructs!

 

[Truth7t7]

The verse did not say that. So why do you?

Of Course The Verses State Just That

The Future Human Man Will Be A King As Daniel 11:36 Shows, Daniel 11:37 Shows he Will Be A Hebrew/Jew In Decent, His Hebrew/Jewish Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew God As It States Clearly (God Of His Fathers) The True Hebrew God Of The Bible

That Was Simple And Very Easy To Understand, I Hope And Pray This Simple Biblical Truth Before Your Eyes Is Seen

Jesus Is The Lord

Daniel 11:36-37KJV
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Examples: God Of His Fathers

(2 Kings) 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

(2 Chronicles) 21:10KJV
10 So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.

 

[Truth7t7]

37,114 views to date on this thread. What do you think this reveals where peoples focus and interest is?
Jesus is left in the dust for the sake of their constructs!

How do you obtain the 37,114 views on this thread, where is this info found?

 

[quietthinker]

How do you obtain the 37,114 views on this thread, where is this info found?

click on 'New Posts or Trending Topics' at the top....the dark bar. Available posts listed have the information.

 

[Truth7t7]

click on 'New Posts or Trending Topics' at the top....the dark bar. Available posts listed have the information.

I can see how many replies but not how many views?

 

[quietthinker]

I can see how many replies but not how many views?

its all there

 

[Rita]

its all there

I can’t see the amount of views either !

 

[Rita]

Lol, okay I can see it now. @Truth7t7 if you go to the list of threads in this forum it shows you how many views xx

 

[CadyandZoe]

Yes it does.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

But not for 1000 years after Christs return.

Yes. Of course. I miscommunicated. That's what I meant and thanks for the clarification.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Where in the Bible does it teach that the day of the Lord is exactly 1000 years?

No where does it give the length of that time period. Thus, your claim that the duration of the DoL is very brief is speculative at best.

 

[Truth7t7]

Lol, okay I can see it now. @Truth7t7 if you go to the list of threads in this forum it shows you how many views xx

Still haven't figured it out, I see replies not views?

 

[David Boyer]

Not so. You know that. You have nothing to support your thesis.

Where do you get off saying what I know?
You must be a mind reader.
I know that I read that Rev 20:1 is from an Earthly perspective and that would make all of Rev 20 an Earthly based part of the vision.

 

[Truth7t7]

Where do you get off saying what I know?
You must be a mind reader.
I know that I read that Rev 20:1 is from an Earthly perspective and that would make all of Rev 20 an Earthly based part of the vision.

Does the Angel have a literal "Key" and "Chain"?

God has the ole Iron and Lock Smith's at work in heaven, or possibly a membership account at Home Depot or Ace Hardware?

Revelation 20:1KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

 

[David Boyer]

Does the Angel have a literal "Key" and "Chain"?

God has the ole Iron and Lock Smith at work in heaven, or possibly a membership account at Home Depot or Ace Hardware?

Revelation 20:1KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Yep. What it is made of I don't know. But God showed a "key" and "a great chain" to John.
So either John lied about the key and chain, or God's Angel fooled(lied to) John... which one do you believe?
If it was a symbolic key and chain only... then John was lying or ignorant... which would say that God tried to be obscure with John(lied to John).
I think Revelation is the clearest book possibly in the Bible. Simple language... easy to understand and clear.

 

[CadyandZoe]

You are totally not getting the spiritual nature of the kingdom of God today. You really need to read up on the New Testament and see what Jesus actually described instead of what you've been taught.

@Marilyn C

Nothing Marilyn said discounts spirituality. I don't know what you think a "spiritual" kingdom is, but the Bible clearly teaches us that a spiritual kingdom is a physical kingdom populated by spiritual people. Jesus is a spiritual person. He is a physical person. His apostles were spiritual people. They were physical people. Jesus followers are spirit filled, physical people.

The kingdom of God exists wherever the king – the Lord Jesus Christ – exercises His spiritual jurisdiction.

Right. And nothing at all whatsoever that Marilyn said contradicts that idea. When Jesus rules on earth his kingdom will exist on earth.

The Lord revealed in this passage that the kingdom of God – His kingdom – was not a literal earthly domain neither could it be viewed like other kingdoms with their outward splendor, impressive power and magnitude. It is, rather, a spiritual kingdom, which can only be spiritually entered.

Jesus said in John 18:36, “My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.”

[/quote]

The verse you quote doesn't mean what you think. Jesus is talking about the source of his kingdom, not the nature of his kingdom. Jesus says absolutely nothing at all about the nature of the kingdom in his answer to Pilate. You are reading things into the text that aren't there.

As it says in Ephesians 6:12, “we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places”

We fight an invisible enemy. He works in secret. He has to. If he was visible we would immediately recognize him. That is not that he does not work in and through humans, he does.

This passage doesn't speak to the issue. We wrestle against rulers of spiritual darkness, yes, but the battle field is still earth.

2 Corinthians 10:3-5 says,

“For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.”

To enter into spiritual victory you must pull down everything that is not of God and that does not accord with His Word. Every doubt, every fear, every sin, every hurt, every judgmental thought and every bit of unforgiveness must be evicted. The strongholds must be identified and then pulled down.

We are still on earth. Even our spiritual battles take place on earth. If our spiritual battles take place on earth, then it doesn't follow, therefore, that Jesus must rule from heaven. He rules wherever he is, whether on earth or in heaven.

We are not fighting a physical battle with physical weapons but rather a spiritual battle with spiritual weapons.

No kidding Sherlock. We are having a spiritual battle with spiritual weapons while living ON THE EARTH.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yep. What it is made of I don't know. But God showed a "key" and "a great chain" to John.
So either John lied about the key and chain, or God's Angel fooled(lied to) John... which one do you believe?
If it was a symbolic key and chain only... then John was lying or ignorant... which would say that God tried to be obscure with John(lied to John).
I think Revelation is the clearest book possibly in the Bible. Simple language... easy to understand and clear.

So you believe Satan will literally be bound by lock, key, chain, God's in the Iron and locksmith business?

 

[David Boyer]

So you believe Satan will literally be bound by lock, key, chain, God's in the Iron and locksmith business?

His Son was a carpenter... so... Yep.

 

[Truther]

So you believe Satan will literally be bound by lock, key, chain, God's in the Iron and locksmith business?

Satan will be bound in a bottomless pit for 1000 years.

Do you think there are no chains of darkness, but only here?

 

[Truther]

Yep. What it is made of I don't know. But God showed a "key" and "a great chain" to John.
So either John lied about the key and chain, or God's Angel fooled(lied to) John... which one do you believe?
If it was a symbolic key and chain only... then John was lying or ignorant... which would say that God tried to be obscure with John(lied to John).
I think Revelation is the clearest book possibly in the Bible. Simple language... easy to understand and clear.

Only preterists suggest the book of Rev is a lie(metaphor).

 

[Truther]

Yes the time was at hand then not some 2000 years later

The time ceased to be at hand?

When?