22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

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The Light

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Thanks for your review. I appreciate it and understand how much work went into this presentation.
You are welcome. Not many people understand how to read Revelation. Revelation reads just like Genesis 7. In Genesis 7 there is but one flood and yet we are given three different views of the same flood with different information in each view. And so it is with Revelation. We get one view of the tribulation period in the first 5 seals, then the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal and then the wrath of God begins at the 7th seal and ends in Revelation 11 with the 7th trumpet. In Revelation 13 and 14 we start all over. You get a different view of the tribulation period, then the coming of Jesus at the end of Revelation 14 and then another view of the wrath of God with the vials. Same time frames, with different information.
 

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Not so fast. Do you agree that the grammatical antecedent of the "he's" in verse 27 is the prince in verse 26?
I don't agree with anything, your the teacher, who's the prince, your eschatology is self proclaimed solid, will you now be silent?
 

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You have cut-and-pasted a lot of this 67 times. There should be a rule against that. We might as well deal with a robot. We might actually get more variety, interaction and sense from one of them.
The reformed tag team gang, smiles!

You have no response because there isn't any

Jesus Is The Lord!


The scripture doesn't change, will the bad guy be present on earth until the future consummation 100% "YES"!!!

It surely didn't take place in your preterist reformed eschatology in 66-70AD that you promote and claim, it's a future event unfulfilled, it's that simple, read it again and again


Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled


This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation


1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 

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What you suppose is meant by "earth"? Because the Greek word can also mean "land".
The 144,000 are redeemed from the earth, which is land so it makes no matter. They are the first fruits of the coming harvest. We see this harvest in Revelation 7 as part of the great multitude. We get another view of this harvest in Revelation 15.

So, the first fruits of the harvest are 144,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel. That means the harvest should be Israel. In other words if the first fruits are pumpkins, the harvest should be pumpkins.

Let's check the harvest and see if it is Israel. We see Jesus comes for the harvest at the end of Revelation 14.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

And what is the harvest?

Revelation 15
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

Those that are harvested are singing the song of Moses so I would say they are of the 12 tribes of Israel.

Note: The twelve tribes across the earth are the seed of the woman. The believers from 12 tribes are harvested in the second rapture at the 6th seal which we get another view of in Revelation 14. The 1st rapture is the Church before the 70th week of Daniel.(Revelation 4 & 5) The nation of Israel itself, the woman, goes through the wrath of God in a place of protection.

There are two raptures (harvests) The fig tree has two harvests. One will be like the days of Noah, where Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood. That will be the Church. The second rapture will be like the days of Lot where the very day Lot left Sodom destruction came. These are facts which we can prove though most do not understand.

Jacob had two wives. He married one and had to work 7 more years for his beloved Rachel.
 

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The 144,000 are redeemed from the earth, which is land so it makes no matter. They are the first fruits of the coming harvest. We see this harvest in Revelation 7 as part of the great multitude. We get another view of this harvest in Revelation 15.

So, the first fruits of the harvest are 144,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel. That means the harvest should be Israel. In other words if the first fruits are pumpkins, the harvest should be pumpkins.

Let's check the harvest and see if it is Israel. We see Jesus comes for the harvest at the end of Revelation 14.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

And what is the harvest?

Revelation 15
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

Those that are harvested are singing the song of Moses so I would say they are of the 12 tribes of Israel.

Note: The twelve tribes across the earth are the seed of the woman. The believers from 12 tribes are harvested in the second rapture at the 6th seal which we get another view of in Revelation 14. The 1st rapture is the Church before the 70th week of Daniel.(Revelation 4 & 5) The nation of Israel itself, the woman, goes through the wrath of God in a place of protection.

There are two raptures (harvests) The fig tree has two harvests. One will be like the days of Noah, where Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood. That will be the Church. The second rapture will be like the days of Lot where the very day Lot left Sodom destruction came. These are facts which we can prove though most do not understand.

Jacob had two wives. He married one and had to work 7 more years for his beloved Rachel.
Your claim of two raptures is laughable, there is one rapture at the second coming, and you push the false teaching in the 6th seal pre-wrath, "Really"!

Johnny new Come lately, a farce!
 
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So, the first fruits of the harvest are 144,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel. That means the harvest should be Israel. In other words if the first fruits are pumpkins, the harvest should be pumpkins.
The fact is, your fairy tale harvest Is pumpkins, happy pagan Halloween, smiles!
 
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I don't agree with anything, your the teacher, who's the prince, your eschatology is self proclaimed solid, will you now be silent?
You quote Daniel 9:27 and highlight "he shall make it desolate", but don't know who "he" is?
 

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Post 3759.
Please reval your "prince", run around the bush 3 times, suspense, nail biting!

Qoute Covantee: post # 3759 Not so fast. Do you agree that the grammatical antecedent of the "he's" in verse 27 is the prince in verse 26?
 

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Please reval your "prince", run around the bush 3 times, suspense, nail biting!

Qoute Covantee: post # 3759 Not so fast. Do you agree that the grammatical antecedent of the "he's" in verse 27 is the prince in verse 26?
You're the one quoting Daniel 9:27. Is "he" in "he shall make it desolate" the prince in verse 26?
 

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You're the one quoting Daniel 9:27. Is "he" in "he shall make it desolate" the prince in verse 26?
Please reveal your "prince" I can't take the suspense, 4 times running about the bush, no direct response in Diverision, let the forum know, waiting!
 

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Please reveal your "prince" I can't take the suspense, 4 times running about the bush, no direct response in Diverision, let the forum know, waiting!

How about you reveal who "he" is, and I'll reveal who "prince" is.
 

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How about you reveal who "he" is, and I'll reveal who "prince" is.
YOUR ESCAHTOLOGY IS ROCK SOLID, PLEASE REVEAL THE "Prince", the forum is waiting in. Suspense, nail biting!
 

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YOU ESCAHTOLOGY IS ROCK SOLID, PLEASE REVEAL THE "Prince", the forum is waiting in. Suspense!
What are you afraid of? I told you not to be afraid. You weren't listening.

Who can believe you when you can't even identify "he"?
 

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What are you afraid of? I told you not to be afraid. You weren't listening.

Who can believe you when you can't even identify "he"?
Your eschatology is silent, sit on the bench of dreams and fairy tales, no confidence!

Who is your "prince"?
 
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