For those who think Christ is not God.

[Truther]

What do you make of the Isaiah passage? Where YHWH says that He is the only savior?

Much love!

Exactly my point.

YHWH was inside Jesus.

YHWH assisted Jesus to not sin and get to the cross from inside Jesus' body per Luke 4:1.

God was INSIDE Christ, reconciling the world to Himself.

The 2 cannot be separated, because God is inside Christ.

God is a Spirit and cannot die, but He can definitely enter His human son and go with him until his son becomes sin.

Only for that short time did God depart from within Jesus.

 

[Johann]

Just use the KJV. It is bullet proof.

I'm tenacious and need to look up words and the morpholody, that is my character, a Berean.
J.

 

[marks]

Good, don't even suggest anyone's silly, biased, redefinitions.

Primarily I rely on my Koine Greek class, though it was many years ago, and a number of various study helps, grammars, lexicons, interlinears, things like that.

Much love!

 

[Truther]

What do you mean?

Much love!

A commentary dump to redefine a simple verse.

 

[Truther]

I'm tenacious and need to look up words and the morpholody, that is my character, a Berean.
J.

A berean is not a redefinitionist, but a KJV vindicator.

 

[Johann]

God is a Spirit and cannot die, but He can definitely enter His human son and go with him until his son becomes sin.

...and did Christ "became" sin, in the sense that sin interpenetrated Jesus?
J.

 

[Truther]

Primarily I rely on my Koine Greek class, though it was many years ago, and a number of various study helps, grammars, lexicons, interlinears, things like that.

Much love!

Egad!

They ruined you my friend.

 

[Truther]

...and did Christ "became" sin, in the sense that sin interpenetrated Jesus?
J.

Yes!

He was MADE sin for us.

 

[marks]

You just talked yourself out of the Bible.

Does that mean you are not going to address any of this?

No man has seen God at any time, but the Son has made Him known.

YHWH met with Abraham. YHWH spoke with Moses face to face. YHWH dined with the elders of Israel. "I have seen the King, YHWH of armies!", from Isaiah. YHWH shall stand upon the mount of Olives. YHWH will in the latter days stand upon the earth, and Job will see Him with his own eyes. YHWH is the one and only Savior. Immanuel, God with us.

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[Johann]

A berean is not a redefinitionist, but a KJV vindicator

Guess that's me, swimming against the stream and not With the stream.
I am not a KJV-onlyist, that's for sure.
J.

 

[Truther]

Does that mean you are not going to address any of this?

No man has seen God at any time, but the Son has made Him known.

YHWH met with Abraham. YHWH spoke with Moses face to face. YHWH dined with the elders of Israel. "I have seen the King, YHWH of armies!", from Isaiah. YHWH shall stand upon the mount of Olives. YHWH will in the latter days stand upon the earth, and Job will see Him with his own eyes. YHWH is the one and only Savior. Immanuel, God with us.

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Bingo...

9 For in him(JESUS) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.


God will reign through Jesus!

 

[marks]

You just talked yourself out of the Bible.

I can't help but notice that instead of responding to my content, you made a personal comment about me. I don't even really know what you meant, and you seem pleasant and all, but just the same, that's falling back on an "ad hominem", "to the man" argument. In debate, it's considered a fallacy. In this context, I only point it out because I feel it diverts from the topic. You've stopped discussing the content by switching over to discuss me. Which you are certainly free to do so, this is a pretty open forum.

Much love!

 

[Johann]

He was MADE sin for us.

So sin "entered" Christ?
And you don't read Leviticus?
J.

 

[Truther]

Guess that's me, swimming against the stream and not With the stream.
I am not a KJV-onlyist, that's for sure.
J.

Well, haven't you noticed that you have got in the endless redefinition rut?

 

[face2face]

“But made Himself of no reputation.” The meaning of the words is
explained in those which immediately follow. So far was the Son from tenaciously insisting upon His personal rights as a member of the blessed Trinity, He voluntarily relinquished them.
J.

A beautiful hymn you reference. Jesus being in the form of God is the same as Paul's words concerning him being the exact image of God's person. He was God's Son after-all and obedient to His Will. Do you think being the actual Son of God would come with certain entitlements?

The formula being presented is Son to Servant not God to Servant.

Hebrews 1:3 & Philippians 2:7-10

Jesus cannot be said to be the image of something He already is! When we say image, we suggest two distinct things: firstly, the thing imaged and the thing imaging it. If the Son is the image of God’s hypostasis, then the hypostasis of God must be something which the Son does not share or have; it must be rather something which He is like. You would say "The Son shares the Divine essence", however, hypostasis here cannot mean essence. It must be taken then in its alternative sense of “person”, which of course establishes the Biblical principle of God manifestation i.e Jesus manifested, revealed, made known the Character, or Person of God perfectly...to which, on some level you must agree.

What the author of the Epistle is saying is that the Son is exactly like the Father in person and hence the Son is able to do as Phil 2 teaches - empty himself of all entitlements of being His Son to become a Servant with no reputation.

It's interesting watching Christians diminish Jesus's Sonship as though it was of no importance. Jesus is a created being you cannot avoid this truth. After all he was made of a Woman for good reason...to share in corrupting flesh and blood and be tempted in all points as you are.

Jesus was being made perfect (Hebrews 5:9) he was a work of God and had to be made perfect, he wasn't already perfect as you suggest. So that he could become a High Priest who could deal with the things of God and mediate between God and Man - having been a man himself he is qualified to do so.

It's sad that you seek to remove his victory over human nature & death by making him a god and stating it was some god acting out obedience to himself. It's repulsive when you open up the trinity and see all of its filthy notions. Such a repugnant stain on Divine Truth.

The true Jesus Christ is awe inspiring what you make him is a fraud.

 

[Johann]

Well, haven't you noticed that you have got in the endless redefinition rut?

My "doctrine" is sound, biblical.
J.

 

[Truther]

So sin "entered" Christ?
And you don't read Leviticus?
J.

Worse.

Christ was MADE sin for us.

God abandoned him on the cross for this.

 

[marks]

Bingo...

9 For in him(JESUS) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

This is true now, but only following His incarnation into human flesh.

Before that time, YHWH dined with the elders of Israel, Who was that?

YHWH ate with Abraham and Sarah, Who was that?

And so forth . . .

Much love!

 

[Truther]

I can't help but notice that instead of responding to my content, you made a personal comment about me. I don't even really know what you meant, and you seem pleasant and all, but just the same, that's falling back on an "ad hominem", "to the man" argument. In debate, it's considered a fallacy. In this context, I only point it out because I feel it diverts from the topic. You've stopped discussing the content by switching over to discuss me. Which you are certainly free to do so, this is a pretty open forum.

Much love!

Nothing personal at all You are cool as a cucumber to me.:)

I just notice when I get bombed with commentary over a verse or 2 as fishy teaching.

The Bible is a simple, 1st century book written to simple humans to be simply understood.

You or I can't say, it means this, this or this...

 

[marks]

Nothing personal at all You are cool as a cucumber to me.:)

I just notice when I get bombed with commentary over a verse or 2 as fishy teaching.

The Bible is a simple, 1st century book written to simple humans to be simply understood.

You or I can't say, it means this, this or this...

Who's bombing you with anything? Do you mean that I pointed out the words? Don't you want to know things like this?

And I agree with you, "simply understood". Absolutely!

Much love!

 

[Truther]

This is true now, but only following His incarnation into human flesh.

Before that time, YHWH dined with the elders of Israel, Who was that?

YHWH ate with Abraham and Sarah, Who was that?

And so forth . . .

Much love!

This is great stuff!

It was Jesus Christ.

Jesus was also the 4th man in the fire in Babylon.

He was born before Adam and Eve's kids.