For those who think Christ is not God.

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Is Christ God?

  • God

    Votes: 32 78.0%
  • Lesser than God

    Votes: 7 17.1%
  • A mere Son/Man of God.

    Votes: 2 4.9%

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Waiting on him

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Matthew 27:46 KJV
[46] And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Was Jesus forsaking and talking too himself?

a simple yes or no will suffice.
 

Waiting on him

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No idea what your point is.
Yes or no, is Jesus declaring the Jews are the world?


John 18:20 KJV
[20] Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.
 

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Jesus was God with us, according to Matthew. If you have the Spirit of Christ with-in you, you have God with you in faith.

Jesus was the Word of God in beginning and created all things; then was born in the flesh.
 
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@Johann Unbelief can seem amazing but the work of the Spirit is truly essential first...

I fully concur farouk, I'm referring to believers who don't believe that Messiah is God.
I desperately need some more study tools that's for sure.
Shalom my brother and to family
J.
 
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There He was transfigured before them. - His - face shone like the sun, and His - clothes became as white as the light. 3 Suddenly - Moses and Elijah appeared before them, talking with Jesus. 4 - - Peter - said - to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If You wish, I will put up three shelters—1 one for You, - one for Moses, and one for Elijah.” 5 While Peter was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and - a voice from the cloud said, “This is My - beloved - Son, in whom I am well pleased.2 Listen to Him!” 6 When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown - - - - in terror. 7 Then - Jesus came over and touched them. “Get up,” He said. “ - Do not be afraid.” 8 And when they looked up - -, they saw no one except - - Jesus. 9 As they were coming down - the mountain, - Jesus commanded them, “Do not tell anyone - about this vision until - the Son - of Man has been raised from the dead.” 10 - The disciples asked Him, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” 11 - - - Jesus replied, “Elijah does indeed come, and he will restore all things. 12 But I tell you that Elijah has already come, and - they did not recognize him, but have done to him whatever they wished. In the same way, the Son - of Man will suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that He was speaking to them about John the Baptist.


Mat 17:2. Μετεμορφ.] was transfigured, in the way about to be described. That is to say, His external aspect was changed (“non substantialis, sed accidentalis fuit transformatio,” Calovius); His face gleaming like the sun, and His raiment being so white that it shone like light. He appeared in outward heavenly δόξα, which μεγαλειότης (2Pe 1:16) was the foreshadowing of His future glorified state (Joh 12:16; Joh 12:23; Joh 17:5; Joh 21:24; 2Co 3:18; Mat 13:43). The analogy presented by Exo 34:29 comes short in this respect, that, whereas the brightness on the face of Moses was the result of God’s having appeared before him, in the case of Christ it proceeded from His own divine nature and life, the δόξα of which radiated from within.
ὡς τὸ φῶς] The aspect of it, therefore, was luminous, radiant.
H. Meyer.
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The transfiguration was not God changing into God or something like that.

It was a human being transfigured by his God.
 

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Yes or no, is Jesus declaring the Jews are the world?


John 18:20 KJV
[20] Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.
The world is the world. And as its creator Jesus would know that.
 

Waiting on him

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Jesus was God with us, according to Matthew. If you have the Spirit of Christ with-in you, you have God with you in faith.

Jesus was the Word of God in beginning and created all things; then was born in the flesh.
John proclaims the beginning to be when that Light entered the World.
 
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Jesus was the Word of God in beginning and created all things; then was born in the flesh.

...did Christ Jesus ceased to be God in the flesh?
I have to ask questions now as we are commanded to try the spirits (no offense)
J.
 

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There were no teleprompters of that time how did Jesus speak openly too the world? He spoke only too Jews.
I really don't get what you are trying to say. It seems to have nothing to do with the aim of the OP.
 

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The one born in Bethlehem’s manger was “the mighty God” (<230906>Isaiah
9:6), “Immanuel” (<400123>Matthew 1:23), “the great God and our Savior”

Uh, that's what the Scriptures is trying to say..
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Notice for the first time in your life there are 2 tenses in Isaiah 9:6....

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: (present tense)

Add 33 years of life unto the resurrection....

....and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (future tense)


He was not a baby mighty God, but made a resurrected mighty God.

The everlasting Father fully indwells Jesus, bodily, making Jesus the express image of the Father, AKA Jesus is the Father by default.
 

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...did Christ Jesus ceased to be God in the flesh?
I have to ask questions now as we are commanded to try the spirits (no offense)
J.

God in the flesh -> In. / The Holy Spirit comes in -> to the believer. In.

Jesus asked why God forsake him, when sin had entered into the body of Jesus for the sacrifice of the world.

You think for yourself on these things, may the Holy Spirit guide.
 

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This is just wasting my time.

Acts 7:51
“You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit!
 
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Truther

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Really?

Because I didn't know you thought that. I do not agree, naturally.

Do you recognize Jesus as YHWH?

Much love!
No, Jesus is full of YHWH per Col 2:9.

YHWH is not full of YHWH.
 

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You "reasoning" is becoming very erratic.
Do you believe Y'hoshuwa is YHVH?
J.
No, not the same person...

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

2 Persons....God and the man...