For those who think Christ is not God.

[Johann]

I can lead a horse to water

No, you can't lead me.
J.

 

[Truther]

Though no analogy exists by which we may illustrate the mysterious
person of Christ, there is a most remarkable type in <020302>Exodus 3:2-6. The
“flame of fire” in the midst of the “bush,” was an emblem of the presence
of God indwelling the Man Christ Jesus. Observe that the One who
appeared there to Moses is termed, first, “the angel of the LORD,” which
declares the relation of Christ to the Father, namely, “the angel
(messenger) of the covenant.” But secondly, this angel said unto Moses, “I
am the God of Abraham,” that is what He was absolutely in Himself. The
fire — emblem of Him who is a “consuming fire” — placed itself in a bush
(a thing of the earth), where it burned, yet the bush was not consumed. A
remarkable foreshadowing this was of the “fullness of the Godhead,”
dwelling in Christ (<510209>Colossians 2:9). That this is the meaning of the type
is clear, when we read of “The good will of him that dwelt in the bush”
(


<053316>Deuteronomy 33:16).
The great mystery of the Trinity is that one Spirit should subsist eternally
as three distinct Persons: the mystery of the person of Christ is that two
separate spirits (divine and human) should constitute but one person.

The
moment we deny the unity of His person we enter the bogs of error.

Christ
is the God-man. The humanity of Christ was not absorbed by His deity, but
preserves its own characteristics. Scripture does not hesitate to say,
“Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and
man” (<420252>Luke 2:52).


Christ is both infinite and finite, self-sufficient and dependent at the same
time, because His Person embraces, two different natures, the divine and
the human.
In the incarnation the second Person of the Trinity established a personal
union between Himself and a human spirit, soul, and body. His two natures
remained and remain distinct, and their properties or active powers are
inseparable from each nature respectively.

J.

Have you ever seen these verses?...

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me...

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

 

[Johann]

So you are trying to say that Jesus on earth was only a "nature" of God?

Read again, this time with the correct lenses, few, very few will stand up for the Deity of Y'howshua HaMashiach and for those who do, I salute them.
J.

 

[Johann]

Have you ever seen these verses?...

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me...

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Three in Person, echad.
J.

 

[Truther]

Read again, this time with the correct lenses, few, very few will stand up for the Deity of Y'howshua HaMashiach and for those who do, I salute them.
J.

The deity in Jesus was this....

4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

 

[Johann]

Have you ever seen these verses?...

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me...

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

This alone should convince you that Christ Jesus is God.
J.

 

[Truther]

Three in Person, echad.
J.

4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

Or..

4 And GOD being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

Or...

4 And GOD'S HUMAN NATURE being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,


Pick one.

 

[Truther]

This alone should convince you that Christ Jesus is God.
J.

No, it convinces me that Jesus was full of the Holy Ghost.

He was not God until the Col 2:9 effect happened to him, bodily, after his God raised him from the dead.

This is the first time any follower of Jesus proclaimed him as God(Thomas per John 20 first said it).

 

[Johann]

4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

Or..

4 And GOD being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

Or...

4 And GOD'S HUMAN NATURE being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,


Pick one.

Luk 4:1 Ἰησοῦς Iēsous|G2424|N-NMS|Jesus δὲ de|G1161|Conj|then, πλήρης plērēs|G4134|Adj-NMS|full Πνεύματος Pneumatos|G4151|N-GNS|of [the] Spirit Ἁγίου Hagiou|G40|Adj-GNS|Holy, ὑπέστρεψεν hypestrepsen|G5290|V-AIA-3S|returned ἀπὸ apo|G575|Prep|from τοῦ tou|G3588|Art-GMS|the Ἰορδάνου, Iordanou|G2446|N-GMS|Jordan καὶ kai|G2532|Conj|and ἤγετο ēgeto|G71|V-IIM/P-3S|was led ἐν en|G1722|Prep|by τῷ tō|G3588|Art-DNS|the Πνεύματι Pneumati|G4151|N-DNS|Spirit ἐν en|G1722|Prep|into τῇ tē|G3588|Art-DFS|the ἐρήμῳ erēmō|G2048|Adj-DFS|wilderness,

J.

 

[Johann]

He was not God until the Col 2:9 effect happened to him, bodily, after his God raised him from the dead.

Wait till @marks read this, be prepared.
J.

 

[Truther]

Luk 4:1 Ἰησοῦς Iēsous|G2424|N-NMS|Jesus δὲ de|G1161|Conj|then, πλήρης plērēs|G4134|Adj-NMS|full Πνεύματος Pneumatos|G4151|N-GNS|of [the] Spirit Ἁγίου Hagiou|G40|Adj-GNS|Holy, ὑπέστρεψεν hypestrepsen|G5290|V-AIA-3S|returned ἀπὸ apo|G575|Prep|from τοῦ tou|G3588|Art-GMS|the Ἰορδάνου, Iordanou|G2446|N-GMS|Jordan καὶ kai|G2532|Conj|and ἤγετο ēgeto|G71|V-IIM/P-3S|was led ἐν en|G1722|Prep|by τῷ tō|G3588|Art-DNS|the Πνεύματι Pneumati|G4151|N-DNS|Spirit ἐν en|G1722|Prep|into τῇ tē|G3588|Art-DFS|the ἐρήμῳ erēmō|G2048|Adj-DFS|wilderness,

J.

LOL

 

[Truther]

Wait till @marks read this, be prepared.
J.

He has.

I have made it clear to folks on this forum that Jesus was made God by default after his God raised him from the dead, made him an omnipresent quickening spirit and fully indwelled him, bodily, with all that He(God) consists of.

God is inside Jesus.

There is one God and one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.

...=2, (one divine and one human).

 

[Johann]

He has.

Did @marks read this?
What was he's reply?
J.

 

[Pearl]

We all know why you cannot cite the verse that says you have to believe Jesus is God to be saved; it does not exist.

I have never, ever, made that claim. God looks into our hearts.

 

[Pearl]

which world was Jesus speaking of?

Jesus is the Alpha and Omega - the beginning and the end. So what does that mean to you? How many beginnings are there?

 

[Pearl]

Since johann refuses to answer I’ll ask you

As Jesus was on the cross he said my God my God why have you forsaken me.

Was Jesus talking too and forsaking himself?

Ask your leaders. They will give you their version. But at that moment Jesus felt forsaken by God because he carried the sin of the whole world on himself and sin separates us from God - even Jesus.

 

[Pearl]

which world was Jesus speaking of?

How many worlds do you know of?

 

[farouk]

Jesus is the Alpha and Omega - the beginning and the end. So what does that mean to you? How many beginnings are there?

@Pearl He is indeed eternal: the terms Alpha and Omega indeed show it...

 

[Pearl]

@Pearl He is indeed eternal: the terms Alpha and Omega indeed show it...

If Jesus wasn't eternal we could not have the promise of eternal life.

 

[Waiting on him]

Jesus is the Alpha and Omega - the beginning and the end. So what does that mean to you? How many beginnings are there?

Was your beginning from your mothers womb or when you first believed?