Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

[dad]

He did address that city. He died there.

In your opinion, maybe. However, there are heads on the beast that represent kings. These were not kings of Jerusalem!

 

[shilohsfoal]

Why make statements you can't back up?

Show me one Saint who dies in Ezekiel 38.

 

[shilohsfoal]

In your opinion, maybe. However, there are heads on the beast that represent kings. These were not kings of Jerusalem!

The heads are hills, not kings. But there are 7 kings. 5 are fallen and 1 was when revelation was written. Then came a 7th that endured a short space.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Why make statements you can't back up?

Show me any one person who lives in Israel that can be killed in Ezekiel 38 other than Gog and his allies.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Why make statements you can't back up?

Egypt is destroyed long before Gog invades Israel in Ezekiel 38.Not many people understand why, but understanding the ten horns of the beast and understanding Egypt as being one of he countries ruled by one horn of the beast I've come to understand why Egypt does not accompany Gog in his endeavors. Egypt is going to be destroyed by the armed forces of the king if the north about the same time the first resurection takes place. No one will be able to set foot in Egypt for 40 years. After 40 years the radiation will not be as bad and the Egyptians will be able to return to lower Egypt, but it will always be the basest of all kingdoms never able to rise up against the nations again.

This is what happens to Egypt before the resurection in Ezekiel 37.
Ezekiel 29:9 The land of Egypt will become a desolate wasteland. Then they will know that I am the LORD. Because you said, 'The Nile is mine; I made it,'
Ezekiel 29:10 therefore I am against you and against your rivers. I will turn the land of Egypt into a ruin, a desolate wasteland from Migdol to Syene, and as far as the border of Cush.
Ezekiel 29:11 No foot of man or beast will pass through, and it will be uninhabited for forty years.

And this is who is responsible for the deaths of millions of Egyptians.

Daniel 11:42 He will extend his power over many countries, and not even the land of Egypt will escape.

Yea, theres plenty of proof the tribulation takes place before Gog invades Israel. The biggest one is you are unable to show me one Israeli being able to die in Ezekiel 38-39.Its because no one can kill them.Not a single one.

 

[dad]

Show me one Saint who dies in Ezekiel 38.

That has to do with anything discussed here about when the battle invading the nation of Israel is?

 

[dad]

The heads are hills, not kings.

Says who? In Revelation is says there are five kings, not hills.

But there are 7 kings. 5 are fallen and 1 was when revelation was written. Then came a 7th that endured a short space.

[/QUOTE] Right, and so? You need to have some sort of point. How does that tell us what Babylon is exactly, that you think we all should know? I think the general idea is that this whore represents a system that spans many kingdoms, and is dealt with in the end. No idea why you mention hills.

 

[dad]

Show me any one person who lives in Israel that can be killed in Ezekiel 38 other than Gog and his allies.

Why? What point are you trying to make there?

 

[shilohsfoal]

That has to do with anything discussed here about when the battle invading the nation of Israel is?

You said Ezekiel 38 sounded like the tribulation.
I said the tribulation was long before Ezekiel 38.You said I could not prove it but you can't show me one Israeli that can be put to death. You can't show me one Saint who can be put to death in Ezekiel 38 or 39.
Not a single one. So where do you see a tribulation?
Tribulation for who, the ungodly?

 

[dad]

Egypt is destroyed long before Gog invades Israel in Ezekiel 38

Proof? You seem to be suggesting that Egypt does not exist when that battle happens. We know, however that Egypt does exist in the days of the AntiChrist. So you need to do more than make statements as if they had any merit.

Not many people understand why, but understanding the ten horns of the beast and understanding Egypt as being one of he countries ruled by one horn of the beast I've come to understand why Egypt does not accompany Gog in his endeavors.

You seem to be claiming that you know that Egypt is one of those last ten kings with the AntiChrist. Was that some sort of revelation or dream? How are we supposed to know where you invent these things?

Egypt is going to be destroyed by the armed forces of the king if the north about the same time the first resurection takes place.

Word salad with no support.

No one will be able to set foot in Egypt for 40 years. After 40 years the radiation will not be as bad and the Egyptians will be able to return to lower Egypt, but it will always be the basest of all kingdoms never able to rise up against the nations again.

Was that some nightmare you had? Maybe someone told you that? Or..?

This is what happens to Egypt before the resurection in Ezekiel 37.
Ezekiel 29:9 The land of Egypt will become a desolate wasteland. Then they will know that I am the LORD. Because you said, 'The Nile is mine; I made it,'

That is not talking about now. Whenever that referred to, we still have Egypt in the time of that last leader and ten kings.
Daniel 11:42
He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

Ezekiel 29:10 therefore I am against you and against your rivers. I will turn the land of Egypt into a ruin, a desolate wasteland from Migdol to Syene, and as far as the border of Cush.
Ezekiel 29:11 No foot of man or beast will pass through, and it will be uninhabited for forty years.

You thought that related to the invasion of Israel in the end or that time?? Sorry, no.

And this is who is responsible for the deaths of millions of Egyptians.

Daniel 11:42 He will extend his power over many countries, and not even the land of Egypt will escape.

It does not say millions die at all. It simply mentions one nation in the area that will not escape the war and troubles.

Yea, theres plenty of proof the tribulation takes place before Gog invades Israel.

Except you have precisely zero so far.

The biggest one is you are unable to show me one Israeli being able to die in Ezekiel 38-39.

If God destroys the armies before they get there, why would you be asking for some sort of casualty numbers? I never mentioned that. Why bring it up?

Its because no one can kill them.Not a single one.

Oh, I see. Yet only a small portion of Israel is alive at the end when they get saved. The rest died! So you are not even in left field here. You are lost in space.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Says who? In Revelation is says there are five kings, not hills.

Right, and so? You need to have some sort of point. How does that tell us what Babylon is exactly, that you think we all should know? I think the general idea is that this whore represents a system that spans many kingdoms, and is dealt with in the end. No idea why you mention hills.[/QUOTE]


Seriously man, you should try to read Revelation some time.

Revelation 17:9 This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.

 

[dad]

You said Ezekiel 38 sounded like the tribulation.

To be prcise, my opinion on that battle is that is may be just before the Tribulation and even kick it off as we are Raptured at this time also possibly. But yes, it is somewhere around that time.

I said the tribulation was long before Ezekiel 38.You said I could not prove it but you can't show me one Israeli that can be put to death.

That sounds to me like 'Unless you can show me there are sic strawberry ice cream factories in Gaza, then the Tribulation cannot have started'. What does one have to do with the other?? Why would we need to show you that people in Israel (and everywhere else) continue to die??

You can't show me one Saint who can be put to death in Ezekiel 38 or 39.

You thought it was a war of the saints??!

Not a single one. So where do you see a tribulation?
Tribulation for who, the ungodly?

I see that invasion as something that changes the world. Nations will know God was at work. Israel will start to realize, or some of them also. I don't think the Bride will be here for that.

 

[dad]

Seriously man, you should try to read Revelation some time.

Revelation 17:9 This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.

Great. I know. You thought that was news? Now what are those mountains? You actually thought they were hills?

 

[shilohsfoal]

Right, and so? You need to have some sort of point. How does that tell us what Babylon is exactly, that you think we all should know? I think the general idea is that this whore represents a system that spans many kingdoms, and is dealt with in the end. No idea why you mention hills.

Seriously man, you should try to read Revelation some time.

Revelation 17:9 This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.[/QUOTE]

The point is you have no clue what's in Revelation or the gospel. You flat out lied when you said it has nothing to do with hills.

Revelation 17:9 This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.

You would rather spend all day arguing and lieing then learning the thuth.

Revelation 17:9 This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Great. I know. You thought that was news? Now what are those mountains? You actually thought they were hills?

Revelation 17:9 NIV: "This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.

Like I said. There's enough information in Revelation to learn who the whore is. If you wanted wisdom you could have had it.
But I've spent enough time in the company of ignorance to last me several months.

 

[dad]

Revelation 17:9 NIV: "This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.

Like I said. There's enough information in Revelation to learn who the whore is. If you wanted wisdom you could have had it.
But I've spent enough time in the company of ignorance to last me several months.

You seem to misunderstand. It is not that I wanted to know what the bible meant, it is that I wanted you to clearly state what you thought it meant!

 

[Timtofly]

Jesus said Gog invades Israel after the 1000 years, not before. You preach that Jesus is wrong and that Gog invades Israel before the 1000 years.

I believe Jesus is right and you are wrong.

Gog is just a generic term. Gog has been attacking and being attacked since before Alexander the Great. The point of Ezekiel is who is also with Gog. John does not place Ezekiel in Revelation any where. John quotes Daniel, and Psalms. John mentions parts of the OD, as Revelation probably contains more of the OD than the other Gospels.

 

[Timtofly]

My bad I meant Ezra but wrote Nehemiah. IN Newhemiah the King granted Nehemiah to go back. Teh decree was later under Ezra- but even though I placed the wrong name- the 483 years ended with Jesus death or right before!

How so? Darius gave the decree around 520BC. That was 516 years before Jesus was born. You are not understanding the issue here. There were 2 sets of weeks, 7 and 62. 49 years and 434 years. The work stopped after 49 years. That is why Artaxerxes had to restart it. So 434 years after the 487 date. That is why only 2 people were still alive waiting, Anna and Simon. Everyone else was dead and forgot about the prophecy. When the wise men showed up, they had to dig through the manuscripts. Then Herod killed those at least 2 years of age to cover the "missed time". But one cannot pinpoint to the exact date. The 69 weeks were already up. Only the life of Christ on earth both as Christ and Prince would complete the 70th week. Revelation 10:6-7 is when time is up.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

48 years of reading without any comprehension of your reading. You should have the gospel memorized after reading it for 48 years let you don't know who is responsible for the blood of prophets and saints.

And thus endeth your useless insulting! You are good at ad-hominins but lousy at holding a discussion. And even worse at understanding Gods Word. I cannot wish you well on this path, it will only fail.