Bob Carabbio
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It's a pity that the ROMAN CATHOLIC church teaches salvation by faith AND adds "works" to the formula, making Christ of no value.
Bible alone!
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It's a pity that the ROMAN CATHOLIC church teaches salvation by faith AND adds "works" to the formula, making Christ of no value.
Jim B
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Last time!
I NEVER SAID TO WORSHIP MARY!
you deny the virgin birth
You cannot be Christian cos it is Christian doctrine
In Christ and grace and the church
Justification by faith and baptism (not works)
then onwards to sanctification
Prayer virtue fasting alm etc.
Enduring to the end Matt 24:13 when we enter into salvation
This is not rocket science
Redemption:
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part!
Justification:
then when we believe in him and his redemption we are justified in that faith and baptism!
Sanctification:
then we are in Christ and his church by grace faith and baptism we practice good works (prayer, alms, fasting, virtues charity, other sacraments etc.
Salvation:
then when we are faithful to Christ and in his grace at death enter salvation!
Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
(Salvation)
David in NJ
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Hello Bob -
Dwell on this "Whoever works on the Sabbath shall be put death"
Now dwell on this "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already,"
I am NOT advocating no work on Saturday/Sunday as my occupation has me working on these days at times.
So please do not misunderstand me for I am in full agreement with your post.
If we add to the work of Christ we are working on God's Sabbath REST which is CHRIST and CHRIST alone.
the LORD Jesus Christ is the 7th Day of REST
David in NJ
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What you just said is, in fact, is worship of Mary and adding to the Finished Work of God, which is the Blood atonement of Christ.
Naw, think about why those who were supposed to be learned didn't understand His parable's
Not understanding your point , you quote Scripture and yet tell me I need more than scripture .
David in NJ
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I quote the scripture that tells us we need the LORD who is not contained in a Book but stands outside looking into our hearts.
Because if we only needed scripture then we would not need the only begotten Son of God.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,
So we see scripture telling us that we need more then scripture on paper.
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Still can't agree as the volume of the Book was written of Him .
Psalm 40:7 "Then said I, "Lo, I come: In the volume of the book it is written of me,"
From cover to cover, the entire Word of God reflects the coming of the promised Messiah, Jesus Christ. Whatever you need to know about Christ is written within these pages. Our Heavenly Father hid nothing from those that want to study His book, and know all there is to know about the Messiah Jesus Christ. If you don't have Christ's thoughts and instruction through His Word, then how are you going to know what is required to please Him?
Psalm 40:8 "I delight to do Thy will, O my God: Yea, Thy law is within my heart."
Psalm 40:9 "I have preached righteousness in the great congregation: Lo, I have not refrained my lips, O Lord, Thou knowest."
Psalm 40:10 "I have not hid Thy righteousness within my Heart; I have declared Thy faithfulness and Thy salvation:"
Psalm 40:11 "Withhold not Thou Thy tender mercies from me, O Lord: Let Thy loving kindness and Thy truth continually preserve me."
Hebrews 10:6 "In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin Thou hast had no pleasure."
Burning an animal on an altar could please no one, but it was a shadow of something that would come later. It was a type of would happen when Christ willfully was sent to the cross to die. When they would put their animal on the altar, it meant that they had to take their best animal, and through their sacrifice it became a contribution to the Father.
Hebrews 10:7 "Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of Me) to do Thy will, O God."
Everything that Jesus did and said while on earth, was written in the Old Testament, and that why He said over and over, "Haven't you read...", "It is written...", and so on. Every detail was written about Jesus' coming, how His birth would be and where. All parts of His life, and even to the words that the High Priest that caused His death at the time of the crucifixion. How can you not believe in Christ when God so perfectly outlined the coming Messiah that He would send.
Anything outside of scripture however well intended , is a man made doctrine ,period !!
David in NJ
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Is it written in the volume of the Book to for Christ just to be the ink of a pen on the pages of a Book alone?
Hebrews 10:7 "Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of Me) to do Thy will, O God."
Because if we only needed scripture then we would not need the only begotten Son of God.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,
Why dwell among us if all you need was a Book?
Freedom. That's a gift that we exercise, or not. Jesus showed us what it looks like. Paradox surrounds God. At Gethsemane Jesus behavior doesn't fit what we think of as being free. But freedom is the ability to do what ought to be done.
That was the agony in the garden
The greatest act of freedom. He wouldn't have ever died if we didn't kill Him. He chose death for us. We don't have that choice to make.
To be frank, you are making an idol of her . it's important to you that the theology concerning her is errant. It supports your claim to Truth. Your claim depends on it. I love Truth wherever it's found because it belongs to me. I'm not fearful and defensive about it or afraid of pagan religion.
Myth only points, Truth happened!
If all the Christians were gone but the bibles are left.
Would the bible be able to communicate the faith to a world that doesn't know Him.
Would faith in Jesus survive?
If all the bibles in the world disappeared but Christians are still here.
Would it survive?
Would the bible be able to communicate the faith to a world that doesn't know Him.
Would faith in Jesus survive?
If all the bibles in the world disappeared but Christians are still here.
Would it survive?
The Book is the begotten Son of God ,ie THE WORD ,have ye not read ?
If I was on a deserted Island all my life with only His Word ,and He choose to open my eyes and ears I'd be great .
And you have still yet to tell me what I need outside of scripture .
David in NJ
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While you are on the Island reading the Book - Where is HE who opens your eyes?
The Scripture says:
As i was born and raised a RC member i remember praying the rosary with my mother many-many times.
Hail Mary,
Full of Grace, = this is perversion of the Truth = only the LORD is full of Grace
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of our death. = this is perversion of the Truth = only the LORD is our High Priest
This is paganism and idolatry (rosary beads and statues of Mary etc).
Trust JESUS and HIM alone for the Salvation and Forgiveness that only HE can give to you.
Listen to the Apostle Peter - Acts 4:8-12
Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: 9If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
Listen to the Apostle Paul - Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry.
it is only by the grace merited by Christ that we have meritorious works
Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
1) If you keep the old sabbath have you fallen from grace per Gal 5:4
2) not by faith alone but faith and baptism Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38
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