Do you believe Jesus, or your experience?

[BloodBought 1953]

I can teach them the tweak in their understanding that will make all the difference in the world to receiving the answers to their prayers they so desire. They are so close to the truth that it would not take much to bring them in line with the Truth. And I have with my WoF friend in NC and now she is in line with the Scriptures. But our friend in CA where we are all from won't hear it from either of us. And I'm very afraid for her, because her motives are all about getting rich, and manipulating others.

But then there are others that are so far from the Truth and any amount of faith in God's gifts and sinlessness that the Spirit would have to tear down all their false doctrines to the basement and rebuild from scratch. And boy, do these people hate me on these forums! Whew. But they are of the world and don't know it, and that is why they hate me as prophesied by Jesus.

I don’t “ Hate” you—— I just know that you are “ Batty”.....and Delusional....


Having said that, you do make a great “ Springboard” to get the Truth of Paul’s Gospel Of Grace out there to the Newbies......for that I thank you....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."



This side of the Cross, in this wondrous Age Of Grace , Believers are ALREADY Forgiven.....The impetus for Forgiving others is no longer something done out of Fear... it is like this—— if God can forgive a Wretch like me, why shouldn’t I forgive others.....like so many other things that are done when they are rooted in the Holy Spirit....we do it out of Love and we do it because we Want to.....

 

[Brakelite]

Believe Jesus... Or experience. I believe both. My experience is His doing as a result of believing His promises. I look back on my experiences and see how well and faithfully He has dealt with me in the past, thank Him for His providential care, and use those experiences as a strengthening of faith and a ground for confidence in tomorrow.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Can you just imagine if for just 1 week every single thought, word, deed, action was recorded for the whole world to see those who claim sinlessness. They would be humiliated and come to grips with their self deceit .

Or as I always say—- “Just let me talk to your Spouse for Three minutes! We will see how “ perfect” you are....lol....what a joke!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Or as I always say—- “Just let me talk to your Spouse for Three minutes! We will see how “ perfect” you are....lol....what a joke!

Oops

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Believe Jesus... Or experience. I believe both. My experience is His doing as a result of believing His promises. I look back on my experiences and see how well and faithfully He has dealt with me in the past, thank Him for His providential care, and use those experiences as a strengthening of faith and a ground for confidence in tomorrow.

Very well said.....you are a blessed man....

 

[ChristisGod]

Or as I always say—- “Just let me talk to your Spouse for Three minutes! We will see how “ perfect” you are....lol....what a joke!

Yes

 

[amadeus]

It is almost frightening that you think God's level of acceptance is so low. No wonder Jesus will say to many, "I never knew you."

Even so, sister! What does God expect from us?

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." Rom 12:1-2

 

[Tong2020]

Believe Jesus... Or experience. I believe both. My experience is His doing as a result of believing His promises. I look back on my experiences and see how well and faithfully He has dealt with me in the past, thank Him for His providential care, and use those experiences as a strengthening of faith and a ground for confidence in tomorrow.

I’d say, believe Jesus. I will never be wrong with that. But experiences, I really could not be so sure of all my experiences, as I am sure with Jesus. You know, Satan os the father of lies and master of deception, who transforms himself even into an angel of light.

Tong
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[amadeus]

Yes. You've been infected with the negative aspects of some false teachings, but won't do anything about it.

There seems to be from what I have seen in my own experiences what I call a "negative faith". Jesus spoke of this, did he not? Does it exist also in many who stand in apparently Christian circles today?

Can believers live without sin?

"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us." I John 1:8

No, it cannot be about what we claim. It must about what we are and what we are not. While the old man lives in us and man is able to quench the Holy Spirit we can and too often do succumb to the temptations before us. Jesus overcame the temptations and provided the means for everyone of us to do the same... not after the dirt has been thrown on our faces but now.

Does the bible teach that believers can live without sin?

"Live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh."Galatians 5:16

We have the same means that Jesus had, the same Holy Spirit, the same Power available, do we not? The difference between us and Jesus is that we have a history in each of our lives of sin. We have in each of our lives bad habits already formed which when followed always lead us to sin. Jesus had no such history and from day one as a man Jesus had access to or was the Word of God quickened by the Holy Spirit.

Does the Father want us to live without sin?

He has predestined us "to be conformed to the image of His Son"(Romans 8:29), who is sinless. So the answer must be 'Yes, He does.' This may be is a 'work in progress' for many of us, but if we say it cannot be completed in our present life before they shovel the dirt over us, are we not expressing a negative which Jesus never did? Are we trusting in ourselves or in God in us?

Mr 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

Did Jesus limit God's power to work in us on anything until after physical death?

It may be for many a work in progress, but as soon as we say we won’t see it complete in our present life, we have expressed our faith in that negative position:

“According to your faith be it unto you.” Matt 9:28

Jesus was speaking in that verse to two blind men who had a positive faith.

In Matt chapter 6 Jesus speaks of those who give alms, who pray prayers and who fast for the wrong reasons: “they have their rewards” (6:2, 6:5 and 6:16). We don’t want those rewards, do we?

Their rewards are where their hearts are. Their faith is where they are. If we have now faith that we cannot overcome before the dirt is thrown over our faces, then we cannot.

Did Jesus die just to save us in the future, or to provide for a life now without Sin?

"He gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for Himself a people that are His very own, eager to do what is good." Titus 2:14

Our salvation isn't just for the future: if it's genuine, it makes a difference to our lives here and now. Jesus died to make the Holy Spirit available to us, to make it possible for us to overcome even as Jesus himself did overcome...

Not perfect? What is perfect? Should we look to a man’s definition of what it means to be perfect?

According to Job 1:1 “There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.”

I believe that David as led by the Spirit speaks to his son about being perfect:

“And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.” I Chron 28:9

Solomon may have failed, but must we?

If you believe that we can not live without sin, do you then believe that we have to sin?

The ‘old man’ alone cannot help himself. He will sin. What happens if the old man is finally killed before the flesh dies?

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify [this means “kill”] the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” Rom 8:13

“Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.” Col 3:5-8

Paul doesn’t say before your body of flesh dies. He says now!

Can we not do it? Why do we not ask for help and continue to ask for it until we get all of the help that is needed? What is impossible for God?

If we continue to say it is impossible... then it certainly is... according to our own negative faith!

 

[amadeus]

Yes, there are two.

The apostles received the Spirit to be born again from Jesus when He blew His Spirit into them in John 20. They were then told to wait in Jerusalem for the powerful baptism of the Holy Spirit for ministry and received it on the Day of Pentecost. This is how Peter was told by revelation that Joel 2 was being fulfilled that day.

The 120 disciples with the apostles received Christ's Spirit for sinlessness on the Day of Pentecost making them belong to Christ, Romans 8:9, and in Acts 4:29-31 they received the baptism of the Holy Spirit for boldness and ministry with signs and wonders.

"And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him.
And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly." Mark 8:22-25

How many touches are required to overcome the world completely as Jesus did and to receive a "face to face" vision?

 

[marks]

I envy women who have not had to deal with the anatomy most men were born with, as it makes it easier for them to live the perfected life, though it is certainly something all us are commended to strive for (and by "the perfected life" I don't mean sinlessness, but rather "perfected" in the Biblical sense of arriving at full maturity where sin no longer has dominion over one's life in a practical sense, but has been brought under submission to the Spirit).

This reminds me of a time . . .

I was giving a Bible study in the assisted living home, so my audience was 70's and up. Maria was as spry as they come, sharp as a whip, she had been a school teacher, choir director, and when I said, "I think it's easier for women to be more spiritual then for men", she shot forward, and her clear voice rang out, "ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND???"



I loved Maria!! I can't wait to see her again.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Believe Jesus... Or experience. I believe both. My experience is His doing as a result of believing His promises. I look back on my experiences and see how well and faithfully He has dealt with me in the past, thank Him for His providential care, and use those experiences as a strengthening of faith and a ground for confidence in tomorrow.

Romans 5:3-5 KJV
3) And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4) And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5) And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

God intends us to have the witness of our past experiences, to fuel our expectation of the good that is to come.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Why do we not ask for help and continue to ask for it until we get all of the help that is needed? What is impossible for God?

There's a really good bottom line, imo! And to the rest, yes and amen!

Much love!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Yes

As “ Dear Abbey” used to say — “ We ALL have Secret thoughts that would shame Hell” .....Jesus Taught that you will be judged by your thoughts .....if you even “look upon a woman with Lust” you are the same as an Adulterer......If you are a human being , you are guilty of sinful thoughts every day....this foolish lady fools no one but herself......a sincere, but misguided Soul.....she is in my prayers....

 

[Hidden In Him]

This reminds me of a time . . .

I was giving a Bible study in the assisted living home, so my audience was 70's and up. Maria was as spry as they come, sharp as a whip, she had been a school teacher, choir director, and when I said, "I think it's easier for women to be more spiritual then for men", she shot forward, and her clear voice rang out, "ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND???"



I loved Maria!! I can't wait to see her again.

Much love!

LoL. In some ways it's a lot harder, especially for married woman. I cannot fathom having to work hard all day at a job and then come home to attend to kids all night, plus clean house, do dishes, wash clothes etc. simply because the husband is "head of the household." If that were me, I would tell the "head of the household" he may have his head on a platter some day if I get too stressed out, LoL. It's why I put almost no demands on my wife. If she wants to clean, she can clean. If she wants to cook, she can cook (and they do it much better and with more joy when they want to, as opposed to when they feel they have to). If she doesn't wanna cook or clean, she's not my slave, and she can relax in her own house and enjoy her own time as she sees fit. It's why she always says she's so glad to be home when she gets here. Work is where we sometimes have no choice but to knuckle under, but that needs to end for both husband and wife the minute they walk through the front door of their own house.

Anyone who doesn't like that sort of "theology" can just eat it, LoL. The vast number of abuses that have been perpetrated upon Christian women in the name of "submission" needs to end. Christ died for the church, and He gave His life to teach her and lead her into eternal life with Him. Christian husbands need to focus on the same, and get over earthly needs or do it themselves if she isn't up to it. I still cringe to this day when I hear someone preaching on "submission." Gives me the creeps.

 

[Brakelite]

I’d say, believe Jesus. I will never be wrong with that. But experiences, I really could not be so sure of all my experiences, as I am sure with Jesus. You know, Satan os the father of lies and master of deception, who transforms himself even into an angel of light.

Tong
R4680

The experience of sanctification whereby we are become new creatures... Loving righteousness and hating sin... Thirsting for truth... Being provided for in every situation, and having had guidance and comfort and support and peace, having the fruit of the Spirit manifest itself in even testing situations, no longer prone to anger or jealousy or bitterness, being content even in comparison with your neighbors seemingly having nothing... All these and more testify to God working intimately and faithfully in my life. I give Him all glory and honor and praise, and reject utterly any idea that the devil would have any advantage over Christ in me, the hope of glory.

 

[Brakelite]

The experience of Romans 7 is the experience of a convicted but unconverted man.
The experience of Romans 8 is that of a converted man with the choice always and the power available to walk in the Spirit.. In the mind of Christ and shunning walking according to the flesh. Walking in the flesh is submission to the carnal mind and is never obedient to the law of God. Walking in the Spirit however fulfills the righteousness of the law.
Can we walk in the Spirit at all times and therefore overcome sin? Yes. If we want to.

 

[amadeus]

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Can we walk in the Spirit at all times and therefore overcome sin? Yes. If we want to.

Amen!
"Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded." James 4:8

 

[marks]

Anyone who doesn't like that sort of "theology" can just eat it, LoL.

Two commandments, trust Jesus, and love others, and that's loving others. I trust Jesus that I will have sufficient time and strength and wisdom to be able to care for and nurture my wife in whatever way she needs. To do all things well for her, in whatever way that may be.

We're to be the servant of all, and that begins at home.

Much love!