When You See the Abomination of Desolation Stand in the Holy Place

[VictoryinJesus]

I'm not sure.

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I think that was the issue Paul was addressing in 2 Thessalonians 2, that some were troubled concerning being gathered to Jesus, because some were saying the Day of the LORD had come.

That would to them be like saying the rapture happened already, why are you still here? Paul was saying, Don't be troubled, it's not the Day of the LORD yet, here's how you'll know.

Much love!

I think Paul was saying some have not the knowledge of Christ and by overturning their faith you destroy your brother and walk not charitable toward him. but instead destroy him who is weak and Christ died for, with your meat. For some the darkness is not yet past, but they remain in darkness still. But then there is you are not of darkness where that day overcomes you as a thief, but are of the Light so walk there in the measure that has been given. How we make it about the rapture, I don’t know? How we make it about His return, I don’t know. Return to me, and I will return to you…face to face.
2 Corinthians 3:14-17 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. [15] But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. [16] Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail (that which is to be taken out of the way) shall be taken away. [17] Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

 

[Waiting on him]

I think Paul was saying some have not the knowledge of Christ and by overturning their faith you destroy your brother and walk not charitable toward him. but instead destroy him who is weak and Christ died for, with your meat. For some the darkness is not yet past, but they remain in darkness still. But then there is you are not of darkness where that day overcomes you as a thief, but are of the Light so walk there in the measure that has been given. How we make it about the rapture, I don’t know? How we make it about His return, I don’t know. Return to me, and I will return to you…face to face.
2 Corinthians 3:14-17 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. [15] But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. [16] Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail (that which is to be taken out of the way) shall be taken away. [17] Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

If Indeed Christ is in you, then He has returned.

 

[marks]

than to claim stars are the humans in Genesis 6.

Um, you aren't attributing this to me, are you?

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

In the first couple of chapters of revelation, Jesus is instructing the church’s in seven epistles, Informing these churches in the first century that the time is at hand. He’s giving one last warning……. Get ready.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

If Indeed Christ is in you, then He has returned.

“He has returned” otherwise there is no foundation to stand upon that cannot be overturned, neither hell prevails against the foundation no man can lay but that is Christ “in you” the Hope of glory. He that is in you is greater than him that is in the world.

 

[marks]

Christ is about ready to set up the Millennium reign.

I don't see that there in that passage.

Following this part about the 144M, the angels fly, giving the Gospel, warning against worshiping the beast, and taking his mark. I don't see this at the beginning of the millennium.

Much love!

 

[amadeus]

If Indeed Christ is in you, then He has returned.

Amen! Should we we then waiting for something else? Tomorrow perhaps?

"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" John 11:26

"Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." Matt 6:34

"This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it." Psalm 118:24

 

[Jay Ross]

Mark, I posted this list of question which others have also asked you to respond to.

You made this claim which does not gel with the scriptures but it does gel with your understanding of when things happen.

"This is in context of their full regeneration when that covenant is fulfilled. I think we can know from other places that is when Jesus returns."​

Perhaps to clarify your understanding: -

When is Israel redeemed?
What major event occurs after which Israel will all be saved?
After what event does God establish His Everlasting Kingdom here on the earth?
What other event(s) happen(s) in the heavens around the time that God establishes His Everlasting Kingdom?
When does the God Magog armies assemble surrounding Jerusalem.
When do the kings of the earth assemble at Armageddon for the great day of the Lord's to receive His wrath?
When is Jesus scheduled to formally return in Great power and Glory?
I look forward to hearing your opinions on these.

Shalom

Hi Jay,

Having had this discussion with you at various other times, I'm going to forego it at this time. We have very different ways of reading the Bible, which produce very different understandings.

Perhaps it would be more fruitful to look at how we work out timing and sequence, however, we've had that discussion too.

Much love!

Your responses previously have shown that you have a very complex understanding of the end time, which is what your "simple reading" of the scriptures produces, that puts the above simple questions onto a timeline that scripture does not support, but which you claim is biblically based.

Marks I could have asked you who or what entities are the five beasts described in Daniel 7:1-12, 15-18? to which you would have humanised your answer and given a list of people who have figured over the 2,600 years or so since Daniel wrote Daniel 7

I could have also asked you who or what entities are for the two beasts of Daniel 7:19-26, Revelation 9:13-21, 11:7, 12:7-9, ch.13, 17:7-18, 19:17-21, 20:1-3, 9-10 to which you would have given your opinion based on your understanding of the scriptures. You have pointed to human figures that have risen up over the centauries to have dominance within the history of the world but they would not have been the beasts described above in the scriptures listed.

You claim that you have understanding, but both you and I know that your understanding of the end times is the workings of your own mind influenced by your own desires to gain redemption your way.

So be it. Your "slip" is showing for all of the world to see.

 

[Timtofly]

Galatians 4:14 KAnd my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

who serves the tabernacle of God if not angels of God? Those of the resurrection Which neither marry or are given in marriage but are new creatures. Who is the tabernacle of God in whom they serve night and day? Only asking as said earlier (not by you) virgins can’t bear first fruits but isn’t that the miraculous that God can do the impossible?

Depends on the translation. YLT

14 and my trial that [is] in my flesh ye did not despise nor reject, but as a messenger of God ye did receive me -- as Christ Jesus;

 

[marks]

You claim that you have understanding, but both you and I know that your understanding of the end times is the workings of your own mind influenced by your own desires to gain redemption your way.

And this is to attract me into a response?

And when we've hashed this out over and over for years?

And this is what you have to say?

Not interested, I'm sorry!

Much love!

 

[quietthinker]

I don't know about that. The passage seems pretty specific to the descendants of the man. Other passages too, if I'm remembering correctly.

And there are the passages of the land grants during the millennium, and at the at end of Isaiah 59, it's about their children, and their children's children.

And here in Jeremiah, the message is, I won't cast them off for the things they have done. So then, what other reason would there be? He promises to save them anyway.

Much love!

This is Jewish idiom. Salvation is for man ie, the human race. God does not segregate or seperate by ethnicity.

 

[Jay Ross]

And this is to attract me into a response?

And when we've hashed this out over and over for years?

And this is what you have to say?

Not interested, I'm sorry!

Much love!

But your slip is still showing in your prolific need to post volumes daily to justify your warped beliefs to yourself.

We both came to this forum and began posting around the same time. Since then you have posted nearly 16,200 post while I on the other hand have only posted around 3,900. A quarter of the number that you have posted.

Our interactions are limited to the fringes of our respective times as there is around a 12 hour difference between our local times, and because of this and your need to post prolifically, our interactions become lost in the noise of the posts that occur when I usually have closed my eyes to rest.

Now, as to whether or not we have been able to hash these questions and others out, over the time that we have interacted with each other, has not happened because of your complex understanding of the scriptures.

It seems to me that you are a master puppeteer with your mind lost in a bear trap.

Now, I am not the only one who has attempted to set you straight in your beliefs with respect to the end times.

Mark I am content in my relationship with Christ and God, and I will be happy to be even the keeper of the most lowly job in the Everlasting Kingdom that is still to come.

Have a good day now Mark, and may the peace of God rest with you as you keeping searching for the answers that you want to know.

Shalom

 

[marks]

But your slip is still showing in your prolific need to post volumes daily to justify your warped beliefs to yourself.

I don't talk about you this way. But out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, and your post above is indicative of your desire to trash me.

You say you want to talk doctrine and interpretation, but you can't seem to stop yourself from this.

Much love!

 

[marks]

This is Jewish idiom. Salvation is for man ie, the human race. God does not segregate or seperate by ethnicity.

Except He did make a distinction. And He calls it out as by seed, ancestry.

There is nothing that excludes the rest of humanity in that God still will keep His promise to Israel.

It seems to me this is one of those places we come to and say, while it says "seed", it doesn't really mean that. When Paul was talking about Christ being the promised seed in that context, he was MOST particular.

Much love!

 

[marks]

has not happened because of your complex understanding of the scriptures.

I think the main issue has been, over the course of many years here and elsewhere, that you apply a timing formula that I don't. So that where I read 2300 days, and read it as our basic 24 hour day, you take it to mean 2300 years. Is that not correct? If I'm mistaken, I apologize. Am I mistaken? It puts us on pretty different hermanuetic tracks.

And of course there are other disagreements as well, but to me that is the more significant.

Complex understanding? I think we both have that. Prolific posts? What does that have to do with anything? I have a wide and varied interest in anything Bible, and I have some available time to spend in that regard.

My mind lost in a bear trap? For me, such a comment shows your ignorance of me, but no matter! I do like to say, though, that I have a mind like a steel trap, or bear trap, if you will! If anything slightly disturbs it, it snaps shut, and is very hard to open again!

;)

But only in fun!

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

In Matthew 24 Jesus is having a private conversation with His disciples whom have just asked him what the signs of the end would be. He tells them among the signs they will see the AOD spoken of in Daniel.

none of the signs listed apply to modern times.

 

[quietthinker]

Except He did make a distinction. And He calls it out as by seed, ancestry.

There is nothing that excludes the rest of humanity in that God still will keep His promise to Israel.

It seems to me this is one of those places we come to and say, while it says "seed", it doesn't really mean that. When Paul was talking about Christ being the promised seed in that context, he was MOST particular.

Much love!

yes, Jesus is the seed....not Abraham's physical descendants. All are invited but only a few choose to come.....others excuse themselves.....and so all Israel will be saved. Do you get it?

 

[marks]

yes, Jesus is the seed....not Abraham's physical descendants. All are invited but only a few choose to come.....others excuse themselves.....and so all Israel will be saved. Do you get it?

Yes, I understand the view, but I disagree with it.

Tell me, do you find any significance in saying in one place, the seed of Abraham, and in another place, the seed of Israel? Are those interchangeable to you? Or do you see something different being said.

Much love!

 

[quietthinker]

Yes, I understand the view, but I disagree with it.

Tell me, do you find any significance in saying in one place, the seed of Abraham, and in another place, the seed of Israel? Are those interchangeable to you? Or do you see something different being said.

Much love!

have I said 'the seed of Israel'?

 

[marks]

have I said 'the seed of Israel'?

No, Jeremiah did.

Much love!