When You See the Abomination of Desolation Stand in the Holy Place

[Marty fox]

Then you also have to decide that Jesus switched from the desolation of Jerusalem to the Second Coming. This first century event did not fulfill the Second Coming nor the entire Gentile church being added until the very end.

Jesus did not even say the AoD was at the time of the Jerusalem desolation. The AoD is the last event before the end. It also happens after the Second Coming.

The 70AD event including the whole 7+ years of Roman escalation, did not bring an end to the growth of the church. It did not stop any rule of Christ on the earth. It did not even promote the church over dead OT economy. This event did not even make it into the Scriptures, as fulfilling any prophecy.

The only record of Jews fleeing was given to us by Josephus. Josephus hardly counts as the inspired Word of God that God deems a fulfillment of His Word.

It was not the second coming Jesus was talking about it was a coming in judgement on the clouds just like in the verse below

Isaiah 19:1
New International Version
A prophecy against Egypt: See, the LORD rides on a swift cloud and is coming to Egypt. The idols of Egypt tremble before him, and the hearts of the Egyptians melt with fear.

Jesus did tie it to that time when He said that it would happen within that generation and it did. Jesus predicted this prophecy with a date and it happened proving without a doubt that He is God.

The Jews would of remembered His words when they saw the temple destroyed and many would of realized that He was the messiah

 

[Waiting on him]

It was not the second coming Jesus was talking about it was a coming in judgement on the clouds just like in the verse below

Isaiah 19:1
New International Version
A prophecy against Egypt: See, the LORD rides on a swift cloud and is coming to Egypt. The idols of Egypt tremble before him, and the hearts of the Egyptians melt with fear.

Jesus did tie it to that time when He said that it would happen within that generation and it did. Jesus predicted this prophecy with a date and it happened proving without a doubt that He is God.

The Jews would of remembered His words when they saw the temple destroyed and many would of realized that He was the messiah

Revelation 11:8 KJV
[8] And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

 

[Marty fox]

Revelation 11:8 KJV
[8] And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

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Was this meant for me?

 

[marks]

Jesus pointed out that angels cannot have offspring,

Is that so?

You didn't quote any Scriptures, are you thinking of these?

Here, Jesus addresses this:

Matthew 22:29-30 KJV
29) Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30) For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Some key points are these. They "neither marry, nor are given in marriage". This is a comment on their activity, and not their capability. And the angels specified are the angels of God in heaven. Any thoughts on why the need to specify?

Mark 12:25 KJV
25) For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Luke gives us just a little bit more:

Luke 20:34-36 KJV
34) And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35) But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36) Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Again, Jesus is referring to behavior and not capability. However, He does follow up that statement with one about capability, Neither can they die anymore, having been resurrected.

They will not marry, and they cannot die. That's what's being said here.

There is no statement concerning having children, or the ability to reproduce.

Question . . . will your resurrection body be missing parts which you now have?

The only thing said as explanation for these statements, that in the next world they won't marry is that they will live forever. So there will be no need to reproduce, so we won't be doing that.

Much love!

 

[marks]

No, and no.

That's good!

:)

 

[marks]

No matter how anyone wishes to spin it, Jesus in Matthew 24 tells His disciples privately that they will witness the AOD.

Jesus is not a liar or a false prophet.

What is the AOD which they witnessed? How was this fulfilled?

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

What is the AOD which they witnessed? How was this fulfilled?

Much love!

I personally believe that it was them witnessing their brother hanging on a stick.
Was the beginning of sorrows.

 

[Waiting on him]

Is that so?

You didn't quote any Scriptures, are you thinking of these?

Here, Jesus addresses this:

Matthew 22:29-30 KJV
29) Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30) For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Some key points are these. They "neither marry, nor are given in marriage". This is a comment on their activity, and not their capability. And the angels specified are the angels of God in heaven. Any thoughts on why the need to specify?

Mark 12:25 KJV
25) For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Luke gives us just a little bit more:

Luke 20:34-36 KJV
34) And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35) But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36) Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Again, Jesus is referring to behavior and not capability. However, He does follow up that statement with one about capability, Neither can they die anymore, having been resurrected.

They will not marry, and they cannot die. That's what's being said here.

There is no statement concerning having children, or the ability to reproduce.

Question . . . will your resurrection body be missing parts which you now have?

The only thing said as explanation for these statements, that in the next world they won't marry is that they will live forever. So there will be no need to reproduce, so we won't be doing that.

Much love!

The 144k Jewish men redeemed, not defiled with women, virgins, first fruits,, etc,,,

 

[Waiting on him]

Matthew 24:8-9 KJV
[8] All these are the beginning of sorrows. [9] Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
All still part of a private conversation.

 

[Waiting on him]

Hopefully I can be forgiven for my being so intolerant, the problem is that the modern church has became so self centered and earthly they can’t see the simple truth right before their eyes.

I get it to let go of these futuristic carnal doctrine would be radical.

 

[amigo de christo]

I just noticed this. I think the false church is more "the harlot", while I see the antichrist as the beast ruler.

Much love!

That appears to be the pattern my friend . EVEN the FP is the one who points to the beast and causes the world to worship the beast .
This harlots religoin that has began is doing just that . Putting all hopes in humanity and in men and worshipping the creation rather than GOD .
Its all leading to that final climatic moment .

 

[VictoryinJesus]

25) For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
26) And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
27) Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold

Yet in my flesh shall I see God: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold: Job 42:5-12 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. (Did Job see God?) when he said “I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear…but now mine eye seeth thee.”

[6] Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes. [7] And it was so, that after the Lord had spoken these words unto Job, the Lord said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath. [8] Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job. [9] So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went, and did according as the Lord commanded them: the Lord also accepted Job. [10] And the Lord turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before. [11] Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold. [12] So the Lord blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses.

 

[Timtofly]

No matter how anyone wishes to spin it, Jesus in Matthew 24 tells His disciples privately that they will witness the AOD.

Jesus is not a liar or a false prophet.

Even Judas will witness it when it happens. All today will witness it as well as all who have lived in Christ.

 

[Timtofly]

This is because all prophets were fulfilled as Jesus said and the Canaan was closed.

At the Cross.

 

[marks]

The 144k Jewish men redeemed, not defiled with women, virgins, first fruits,, etc,,,

Do you see the 144,000 as having been unable to have children? 144,00 sterile Jewish men?

Much

 

[Marty fox]

The 144k Jewish men redeemed, not defiled with women, virgins, first fruits,, etc,,,

I think that this is very important and I would like to point out that the bible doesn’t say that the 144 000 are men just that they are virgins and hadn’t defile themselves with women this could also apply to women. I believe that non defilement stands for the purity of the church.

Most Christians don’t have a problem with the church being called the bride of the lamb but that doesn’t mean that the bride is all female

 

[Waiting on him]

Do you see the 144,000 as having been unable to have children? 144,00 sterile Jewish men?

Much

No they had more children than the woman with a husband in a house.

as John says many times. My little children. And Paul I have begotten you.

 

[marks]

Hopefully I can be forgiven for my being so intolerant, the problem is that the modern church has became so self centered and earthly they can’t see the simple truth right before their eyes.

I get it to let go of these futuristic carnal doctrine would be radical.

If you were to not over-generalize my "futurist doctrine" as "carnal" that could be nice.

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

I think that this is very important and I would like to point out that the bible doesn’t say that the 144 000 are men just that they are virgins and hadn’t defile themselves with women this could also apply to women. I believe that non defilement stands for the purity of the church.

Most Christians don’t have a problem with the church being called the bride of the lamb but that doesn’t mean that the bride is all female

Agreed these could also be Jewish women.

As to the church being the bride, scripture refuted that.

 

[Waiting on him]

If you were to not over-generalize my "futurist doctrine" as "carnal" that could be nice.

Much love!

Your right.