Pfffttt.....OSAS 1.0 and 2.0 ? Lol....you ain’t seen Nothin’ yet ! OSAS 3.0 is still in the works....Patience, please....
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Pfffttt.....OSAS 1.0 and 2.0 ? Lol....you ain’t seen Nothin’ yet ! OSAS 3.0 is still in the works....Patience, please....
Scripture is all I have, it's either good enough, or it isn't.
I know you are sincere in you beliefs and so am I......I could just as easily say the same thing that you said here and mean it with every fiber of my being.....well- versed, serious students of the Bible can disagree.....this is the only thing proven here, I think...
All of my debating foes bring up Great Points! I understand ALL of them— that is because I used to agree with them! I think that my views have matured as time has gone by as I have kept nose in the Bible and have listened to great God- Sent Teachers Of the Word....of course , my foes see what I call “progress” as “ Error”.....
Who can say with absolute certainty ? Here is what I “ DO” know.....
As time goes by, “ HE” keeps getting Bigger and Bigger and “ I” keep getting Smaller and Smaller.....I think that I am headed in the Right Direction with this Reality....I think that my Faith in Jesus is greater than that Of my detractors .....I ask you..who has the most Faith in Jesus ? The man who says “ Jesus Saves.Period! “ or the man who says, “ Jesus Saves—- BUT “ you” gotta do this , or you gotta do that, or you gotta do the other thing?” Obviously , the former.....and their is no boasting to simply declare where I am in my Christian Walk....I think that my Group is farther ahead in that Walk than others ...no brag....just fact...
To me, the ultimate “ meat” in Christianity is to be able to completely and absolutely REST in Paul’s Gospel Of Grace, Given to Him by Jesus.....Im so impressed with what God and Jesus have done, I barely have the time or the inclination to look at what “I” do.....I constantly get “ closer” to God, because the Closer you get to God , you don’t see yourself as becoming “ better —-the closer you get to God, the farther away you see yourself from Him.....are you “ Close” to God? Some are actually going In reverse and don’t know it.....what John the Baptist Said was true of us all ....” He must INCREASE and I must DECREASE....” If your Doctrine does not get you headed in that direction....it ain’t the correct one.....again I say it....it’s NOTHING but the Blood.....don’t find yourself on the+Wrong Side Of that argument ...God Bless....
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I know you are sincere in you beliefs and so am I......I could just as easily say the same thing that you said here and mean it with every fiber of my being.....well- versed, serious students of the Bible can disagree.....this is the only thing proven here, I think...
All of my debating foes bring up Great Points! I understand ALL of them— that is because I used to agree with them! I think that my views have matured as time has gone by as I have kept nose in the Bible and have listened to great God- Sent Teachers Of the Word....of course , my foes see what I call “progress” as “ Error”.....
Who can say with absolute certainty ? Here is what I “ DO” know.....
As time goes by, “ HE” keeps getting Bigger and Bigger and “ I” keep getting Smaller and Smaller.....I think that I am headed in the Right Direction with this Reality....I think that my Faith in Jesus is greater than that Of my detractors .....I ask you..who has the most Faith in Jesus ? The man who says “ Jesus Saves.Period! “ or the man who says, “ Jesus Saves—- BUT “ you” gotta do this , or you gotta do that, or you gotta do the other thing?” Obviously , the former.....and their is no boasting to simply declare where I am in my Christian Walk....I think that my Group is farther ahead in that Walk than others ...no brag....just fact...
To me, the ultimate “ meat” in Christianity is to be able to completely and absolutely REST in Paul’s Gospel Of Grace, Given to Him by Jesus.....Im so impressed with what God and Jesus have done, I barely have the time or the inclination to look at what “I” do.....I constantly get “ closer” to God, because the Closer you get to God , you don’t see yourself as becoming “ better —-the closer you get to God, the farther away you see yourself from Him.....are you “ Close” to God? Some are actually going In reverse and don’t know it.....what John the Baptist Said was true of us all ....” He must INCREASE and I must DECREASE....” If your Doctrine does not get you headed in that direction....it ain’t the correct one.....again I say it....it’s NOTHING but the Blood.....don’t find yourself on the+Wrong Side Of that argument ...God Bless....
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I've already explained this, but let's go through it again. The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, is God's voice in the world and becomes God's voice within us. The Holy Spirit commonly works through believers, because if they've asked for Him through the prayer of faith, then God gives Him in accordance with His word, the promise of the Holy Spirit, not just God with us, but God in us. Do you understand the distinction?
Jesus said that when He left, that He would send the helper, the Spirit of Truth, also called the comforter, the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit, and the different names, like the different names for God in the old Testament, describe what He does, not just who He is.
15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you. John 14:15-18
What else did Jesus say about the "job" of the Holy Spirit?
25 “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. John 14:25-26
So teaching us and making us remember His word (in order to apply it in some fashion) is His job, not ours.
But Jesus said more about His return in the person of His Spirit:
Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you. John 16:7-15
One purpose in sending the Holy Spirit is specifically to convict the world of sin and maybe you're missing this or maybe you're not, but everyone is born into the world. Everyone starts out born in the kingdom of darkness, born to flesh, born to a carnal nature, and not automatically a disciple of Christ. The gospels tell us that He picked those disciples closest to Him, and it wasn't because of what they did in life, but simply according to His choice (He chose Judas, Judas didn't choose Him. Judas was a thief and a liar.)
Now, how could anyone choose to repent of sin without first being convinced of the truth and convicted by His Spirit?
Isn't the conviction of sin the application of truth to our hearts and through the knowledge of sin, which came (to the Jews) through the law?
What part did we play in that, other than believing and Who made us to believe, according to His election, according to His grace?
These are doctrines as old as the first century. I didn't make them up, but a certain church did a great deal to suppress them.
No one even seeks Christ unless God calls him first. How is that our choice, our will, our work?
For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
10 As it is written:
“There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God. Roman's 3:9-11
We don't seek Him, He seeks us. That's God's work, not ours.
How do you repent from sin and turn to Christ if you aren't looking for Him?
Now, people tend to misuse and misapply the epistle to the Hebrews because it was written by an elder to the Jewish believers born under the covenant of law. Their error is that they've forgotten or ignored the context of the letter and the context of the biblical passages within the letter, but what does it say?
again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. Hebrews 4:7-8
This letter actually addresses the idea of adding works to your salvation. On the 7th day of creation, God ceased from His work and rested. That's the rest which God's people are meant to enter and you'll notice that verse 8 refers to the one who works ceasing from his works to enter His rest.
What you need to decide is whether you've entered that rest by faith or if you're still trying, like those Hebrews, to add something to God's work by your own effort. Are you putting to death the deeds of the flesh through His effort, resting in Him and trusting Him as the bride is to trust in her husband?
These are not overly complicated passages, but our fear and doubt, our faithlessness, takes what is written for our salvation and turns it into doubt and self condemnation. That isn't God's work, that's Satan's work.
6 Therefore I remind you to stir up the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands. 7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind. 2 Timothy 1:6-7
In context this is about performing the work of ministry, but verse 7 is a simple statement of truth to encourage the minister. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, but the love of God is its culmination.
17 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love. 19 We love Him because He first loved us. 1 John 4:17-19
51 Jesus said to them, “Have you understood all these things?”
They said to Him, “Yes, Lord.”
52 Then He said to them, “Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old.” Matthew 13:51-52
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TheslightestID
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Please show me with clear scripture how repentance is the work of the Holy Spirit, when clear scripture says repentance comes before the Holy Spirit. I quoted your comment below so there can be no confusion. And none off what you just wrote in that long post proves what you stated.
I think you probably just made up the following, but for the moment you have the benefit of the doubt, and remember, clear scripture, just like I gave you.
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The devil hasn't won a thing. He lost everything 2000 years ago at the cross of Jesus. Jesus was victorious, is victorious, and always will be victorious. Until you understand that it isn't about us, but about Him, about His glory and His authority, you'll always miss the meaning.
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? Roman's 9:22-24
This is a troubling verse to those who believe in "free will", but again it speaks to predestination and election even if its posed as a question and not definitive. Those chosen in Christ were chosen from the foundation of the world, before we ever saw the light of day.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, Ephesians 1:3-5
We can go on and on like this, but if you hold to an error in your understanding, you'll never grow past that error (in your understanding of the matter.) Its not my job to convince you of the truth. You have the scriptures, you have the Teacher if you've ever prayed the prayer of faith to receive Him, and you have a fully functional mind capable of reason, though I can't say to what degree anyone's mind has been transformed through the word or to what degree their thought process remains trapped in their carnality. Part of my "job" or commission is to prepare the church for Christ's return and I'm pretty sure that I'm not alone in that. Then there's the eternal gospel. It's in scripture, but not plainly stated, because it isn't the gospel upon which Christ built His church, but the gospel for the millennium, for those who are brought low. The summation is fear God and live, but the particulars are a bit more complicated and involve applying gospel truth, the redemption in Christ's blood, to all creation, not just to men. As I said, it's there in scripture, in bits and pieces if you will, but it wasn't meant to be proclaimed in the hearing of heaven until the time of His return. It kind of sets events in motion with major consequences.
BarneyFife
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I assume nothing. Except that you meant what you plainly said.
Who said you did? And what is the "law of sin?"
Sure that's all you have done.
You sound like you've got it all figured out. It's easy to see that a discussion with you is going to be lovely and enriching.
BarneyFife
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TheslightestID
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Accept, it has nothing to do with just meaning it with every fiber of my being, I gave you clear scripture to make my point.
The bible means it.
I did, junior, repeatedly. Would you like a cookie?
Growing in understanding and the knowledge of God isn't learning how to parrot scripture, but how to apply it to your life and learning how to think, not just biblically, but spiritually. God gave you a brain, use it. God gives you Himself as your teacher, believe the word and receive the Word. I'm not a child. I wasn't sent to play childish games or to argue over what someone else is too lazy, or too faithless to do for themself. I'm not here to spoon feed anyone or to force something down anyone's throat.
I'm just a messenger boy sent to finish up some family business in the household of God, and I didn't volunteer for the job, at least not that I can remember. Mom dedicated me to the Lord at birth. Thanks mom, it's been something less than fun. I like fun, always did.
Ferris Bueller
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Ferris Bueller
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Ferris Bueller
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Let me assure you.....you did not miss a thing. Whew! It was awful....lol.....Personally speaking.... Jerry was a very frustrated man.....I f he walked twenty feet, twenty people said this—- “ Hey! Ain’t you “ Dick” Van Dykes Brother ?” Could you imagine hearing that 50 times a day, every day? Lol....
After you get off your pain pills examine the verb tenses in John 5:24 here.
Aye, Aye, Skipper, But it will be awhile .....these pain pills are the Best! Got me looking forward to my next wreck ! Remember....my wrecks are a blessing for you guys that need good, proper teaching because I can spend more time on here sharing my knowledge. Can I get an “ Amen!” Lol....
Aye, Aye, Skipper, But it will be awhile .....these pain pills are the Best! Got me looking forward to my next wreck ! Remember....my wrecks are a blessing for you guys that need good, proper teaching because I can spend more time on here sharing my knowledge. Can I get an “ Amen!” Lol....
TheslightestID
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Can you please show me the specific part of your post that proves it, with the scripture I asked for?
TheslightestID
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Sounds like you are out of responses and will continue to use that statement in order to cover up the fact.
Read this passage carefully
Rom 5:8-10 [8] but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. [9] Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath [of God]. [10] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.
Willard notes that modern translations of the Bible have added the words “of God” after the word “wrath” in v9. The reason for this seems to be that the Greek “3709. ὀργή órgē” was (incorrectly) translated “wrath” in the first place! The word’s primary meaning is “desire” or “excitement of the mind”. Paul began this section of his address to the Romans by saying “Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace through our Lord Jesus Christ.” So here in v9 he’s simply reaffirming this message; that those in Christ won’t be overcome by worldly desires for things of the world, but they will have peace – contentment, assurance, satisfaction because Christ has saved us from such desires.
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Ees no my job, man. (Now I'm having fun). Hasta la vista y via con dios, mi amigo.
Seriously, I've posted pages and pages on this thread, on this topic, and while the Lord doesn't mind repeating Himself to make Himself clear, I think it's a complete waste of my time.
Everything in scripture other than history is a matter of faith. Accepting scripture as true is a matter of faith. Belief in God is a matter of faith. Faith is not about what we see, but what can't be seen. It is impossible to prove faith. Faith can only be demonstrated by our works. How do you prove the meaning of something spiritual when that meaning is understood by faith. You can't think or reason your way into the kingdom, you have to hear and believe the word of God. Of course, God never required blind faith, and God calls us to use our reason, but faith isn't dependent on reason or intellect, or those with limited mental capacity, like an old friend of mine, brain damaged from oxygen deprivation at birth, wouldn't be able to hear the word and respond in faith. God is not an intellectual snob and saving faith is as simple as the open minded innocence of a child. Who gave men the right to complicate such divine truth?
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