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Tong2020

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Tong2020 said:
So then we would be expecting nothing from you but such contents then, since you have judged and so believed that all those who believe that the salvation they have in Christ Jesus is secured, give them a license to live like the devil and matters not.

How many in here are OSASers who actually are what you say they are that you make such a sweeping statement against OSASers in general?
Salvation is indeed "secured" for those who don't choose to forsake God.
We have a different view indeed about the salvation of God.

I am secured in my salvation in that God is my Savior and He was the one who chose to give me such grace. Regarding my salvation, He was the one who begun such good work in me and will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ. And for that I am truly truly grateful to Him and Him only, for if it were me who will complete it, I wouldn’t be any secured at all, at least while I am in this corrupted and corruptible body of flesh.

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I understand all of it
Well, apparently you don't understand it. Read the passage, for corns' sake!

1 John 2:24-25
If you think I don’t, there’s not much I can do about that. But the Holy Spirit can, if He wills.

How about you, do you understand what Jesus said in John 8:31?

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Are Christians guilty of lying? How often do you think they lie? Everyday, every other day, after three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,………..30, 31, 32, 33,……..60,…..days? When do you say one is an ongoing liar?
Simple, when they lie and no longer care that they lie and they stop repenting/asking forgiveness for those lies. Yiu can make fun of it if you like, but tbe day will come when it will be serious business for those who minimize it now.

That is another popular OSAS lie, since we sin a lot, we might as well sin, and not worry about it. Wrong, we should always be aware of our sin, and never think of sin as something we should not concern ourselves with.
<<<Simple, when they lie and no longer care that they lie and they stop repenting/asking forgiveness for those lies.>>>

So, are you suggesting by that, that for as long as one care that they lie and does not forget to ask forgiveness for the lies he makes, he is not an ongoing liar? Hmmm. So that is your scale?

And perhaps that goes as well all kinds of sin, is that correct?

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Really? Perhaps you also have a scale for other sins?

So what is at 38 times for the lying Christian?

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I don't know. I can't think of a Biblical application for 38. 39 I could, so I picked that. You know, like the 39 lashes.

It isn't about counting your sins. It's about whether or not you live in them as a matter of deliberate lifestyle, like you did before you were born again. Saved people are characterized by their righteousness. Unsaved people are characterized by their unrighteousness. If the people you work and play with don't know you're a Christian, you probably aren't.
 

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Genesis 3:24
"So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life."
The passage itself tells us when the cleansing of the kingdom will occur....

As the weeds are collected and burned in the fire, so will it be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will weed out of His kingdom every cause of sin and all who practice lawlessness. And they will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Matthew 13:40-43
Fake people are going to be burned up. So the worker in the field and building of God needs to be careful how he plants and waters and builds so that he can have a reward for his labor on the other side of the judgment by fire. There is no reward for building people up into people who won't make it through the judgment.
 

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May I ask, what would have made you get you from believing to unbelieving?

I really don’ t know ....most likely , the bad teaching that got so much wrong...I never knew what True Christianity was....it was kinda like , learn to “Act” like Jesus and if you do a good enough job , you get to go to Heaven....I never liked “ Acting”......I still don’t......
Chances are real good they did not teach that, you just heard it that way. I think you didn't get saved until after you 'fell away' in college. If you had been born again during the time you were in the church you labeled 'legalistic' you would have recognized it for what it was and left.
 

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As "in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive?" WOW, you sure don't stop misinterpreting Scripture, do you?

If all people are children of God, no one then will be in hell!!! I like that even better than your "osas license to sin" doctrine.
God created us all. And so we are his children in that sense (Acts 17:29). But that doesn't stop him from tossing most of his 'kids' into the fire at the end of the age. See, if you play around with analogies too much, like eternally grateful did, you end up messing everything up. He was making an appeal to an emotional argument where none could be made.
 

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If what he has built... 1 Corinthians 3:14​

What is it that the servant of God builds?
Nothing really other than their relationships with God and other people, fellowship if you will. The work of salvation is God's work. We can share the gospel, we can minister to others, and we can lead people in prayer to confess and receive the Lord, but only God the Holy Spirit, convicts a soul of sin and convinces a soul of truth. To suggest that God builds His church with wood, hay, or stubble is an absurdity. However there are those sharing false gospels, such as the prosperity gospel, the good works gospel, the gospels that aren't gospels because they deny the person of Jesus, etc. You can add numbers to your congregation through the use of lies, but such lies have no power to save, only the gospel of salvation has the power to save.
20 And again He said, “To what shall I liken the kingdom of God? 21 It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal till it was all leavened.” Luke 13:20-22
Contrary to what some teachers teach, leaven is never used to represent something good in scripture, but is a corrupting influence, and in the parable adds to the size but not to the substance.
Jesus preached to a predominantly Jewish audience. He declared that He was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and when He sent the 70 out with the gospel of the kingdom, He specifically told them to stay out of the way of the gentiles. His gospel of the kingdom was given to the Jews under the law, who were only counted as righteous for their observance of the law. When He spoke to them of salvation it was always in the context of the law which He declared that He came to fulfill.
Paul, on the other hand, was sent to the gentiles and preached the gospel of Jesus Christ to those without law, those outside the covenant of promise. The promises were to Israel and to the gentiles through Israel, but the gentiles only became recipients of the promises by faith, becoming children of faith, through the gospel. While the person of Jesus is central to the gospel whether spoken to the Jews or gentiles, the context is entirely different. Jesus Himself was born under and in submission to the law which was not yet fulfilled until His appointment with the cross, Paul was born under the law, but liberated from it by the gospel after the resurrection and the giving of the Holy Spirit. Context is everything to our understanding and only God can produce truly good works in us and through us. We contribute nothing.
Jesus said to His Jewish disciples:
“I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. John 15:5
Paul said to his gentile disciples:
12 I know how to be abased, and I know how to abound. Everywhere and in all things I have learned both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. 13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Philippians 4:12-13
Jesus spoke to Jews under the law, Paul to "sinners of the gentiles." Both spoke of the power of God to save, but Jesus to Jews before the cross and Paul to everyone after the cross. The cross of Christ is at the center of redemptive history. The old Testament saints like Moses and king David looked forward to the cross and the promise of redemption. We look backward at the cross and the fulfillment of that promise in the person of Christ. There is no other way.
 

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Chances are real good they did not teach that, you just heard it that way. I think you didn't get saved until after you 'fell away' in college. If you had been born again during the time you were in the church you labeled 'legalistic' you would have recognized it for what it was and left.


None of that stuff was really said blatantly.....it was just stuff everybody “ knew” .....it was simply “
Jesus Saves—- But once you know “ that” , you gotta be “ good enough”

It seems like they NEVER got out of the Old Testament or the Four Gospels...The only thing ever mentioned about Paul was that he got lowered over a wall in a basket.....lol.....

I could never recognize legalism because I had nothing to compare it with.....everything was one- sided.....I could not leave the church because mommy and daddy would not let me....lol....all of this stuff that I am talking about happened in my youth.....I quit going to church as soon as I was old enough not to be forced to..... the entire experience was a boring Nothing.....I’m not sure if everybody else was as bored with it all as I was....I suspect that they were.

I remember that we used to have some members of the Volunteer Fire Department in the congregation......one time the public fire alarm went off as the preacher was giving his sermon.....three or four guys stood up to leave to go fight the fire....they were like little puppy dogs as they looked with longing eyes at the Preacher so that he could give them permission to leave...when he gave the “ OK”, I will never forget the looks on those guys faces—- it was like they were cancer sufferers that had been told that their cancer had been cured....lol......the look of relief and gratitude for getting out of a boring Sermon has stated etched in my brain for over 60 years....the rest of the Congregation sat there in envy.....that was “ church” back in my day.....lol....it took me a long time to find churches that were not Dead like the one I was forced to attend...I found them on radio and now I get the best stuff off the internet and sometimes even in here!
 

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It is certianly up to us if we want to let God work through us or not.

God will not mess with our free will, thus will force nothing, and yes, we are in full control of that will....you really should know that already.
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Duet 30:19

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live,
 
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Really? Perhaps you also have a scale for other sins?

So what is at 38 times for the lying Christian?

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1 Corinthians 3:17 "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."

1 Corinthians 3:17"If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy that person; for God's temple is sacred, and you together are that temple."

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Thes 5:23
 
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So, are you suggesting by that, that for as long as one care that they lie and does not forget to ask forgiveness for the lies he makes, he is not an ongoing liar?

It is clear to me when one no longer cares if they sin or not, and if you would like to try to confuse the issue in order to blur the lines in attempt to make sin ok, that is expected of OSAS, but I don't, and never will buy your false doctrin.

If we fall away and begin living in sin, we need to get right with God again, period. And not listen to clowns that do not care about our soul, those who will lead one to an easy, "its ok to sin", path to destruction by teaching, no matter what you do, you cannot lose your salvation.

Don't listen to them, they are liars.
 
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