new version of OSAS?

[marks]

You're not being real smart about any of this, lol. Even you have to see what builders and planters in the building and field of God have built and planted that are false and aren't going to make it through the judgement. I mean, you're convinced that we anti-Osas are those built and planted and watered that won't make it throught the judgment, right?

Try answering my actual post. You are getting boring again, just putting words into my mouth.

Much love!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

When I look at how you handle the Bible, and how you mix around people's words, that's a stretch!

Much love!

Oh, you're just upset because my doctrine condemns you, right?

I've done a lot of witnessing to unbelievers, and well, whether you're really saved or not, I do not know, but you sure act just like the unbelievers I used to witness to. I quit because they get so ornery and unreasonable. And evangelism is not my particular gift, anyway.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Try answering my actual post. You are getting boring again, just putting words into my mouth.

Much love!

You can skip the 'much love' part of your posts. Not feeling it.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Try answering my actual post.

NO ONE has ever been a co-worker with God in the building and field of God??????

Read the passage, dude! Lol.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
And that goes to those who knows not or do not yet realize, that faith that comes from God is one that abides and continues forever.

If they keep believing the word, sure they'll abide forever. That's what John says.....

...see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 1 John 2:24​

And if they believe no longer, they do not abide. It does not mean that they aren’t saved no longer, but it could be that they have not the faith that comes from God and were never really been saved even while they claim and thought they were. For Jesus said to those who believed, that they are indeed disciples if they abide in His words. So that, those who does not abide, they are then not true disciples. If not true, then they are false disciples. And I believe in the words of Jesus, needless to say.

Tong
R3476

 

[marks]

To date you have provided ZERO Biblical defense to your bold assertion that believing is you trying to earn your own salvation. If you could just do that you'd win. But, as it is, you can't, because it's not there.

This is your Straw Man. And I'm not playing your games. So, you can continue to post logical fallacies. You can let it go. You can go back and give real responses. Well, maybe not. It's up to you.

Much love!

 

[marks]

NO ONE has ever been a co-worker with God in the building and field of God??????

Read the passage, dude! Lol.

You realize . . . still no response . . .

Living stones . . . being build into a living temple . . . Jesus builds His church. And you would have us think He is building and tearing apart, building and tearing apart.

:

Much love!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

And if they believe no longer, they do not abide. It does not mean that they aren’t saved no longer

What is it about the promise of eternal life that you do not understand in the passage? 1 John 2:24-25

 

[BloodBought 1953]

This all great and wonderful, but this is the part everybody knows. We all know about the struggle with sin. And we all know the grace of God keeps us through that struggle. But we weren't talking about the struggling saint, we were talking about the purposely sinning, unrepentant person. Now talk about that person. How is living in unrepentant, deliberate sin not making grace a license to sin? You need to tell your newbies that so they are careful to not make grace a license to sin.

Thanks for letting me know what I “ need” to do......I will certainly take it into consideration....

 

[marks]

You STILL don't get it, lol! BB won't consider me—a saved person per 1 Corinthians 15:1-4—a brother because this saved person (me) doesn't believe that a saved person can live in sin and be saved when Jesus comes back. I guess that's the one sin that Jesus can't forgive for his saved people, even though BB insists there is no sin that saved people can commit that Jesus won't forgive.

Surprisingly, this is yet another post that does not address what you've "replied" to.

Jesus removed sin, not just covered it. Removed. That means sin is gone. Carries away. Behold! The Lamb of God Who bears away the sin of the world!

Where did it go?

Much love!

 

[TheslightestID]

John said they can't.

Your argument is with John not me

and I already showed you that paul was not telling timothy people would fall away from salvation. He said people would fall away from the faith. ie churches. We see it happening today. as the churches are dwindling in number because people just do not see Christianity as something they desire.

You tripped over yourself again and called the faith "Christianity". If one is a Christian, then they have "salvation", or as ths bible likes to put it, "the faith".

 

[ScottA]

Do you believe that once saved, we can live a lifestyle of sin and not lose that salvation?

That is not possible, a good tree does not produce bad fruit.

So, the real question becomes: If a person claims to be saved, but continues in sin, are they really saved? The answer is, No, they never were saved. They have not changed, all things have not become new, etc., but they rather are living a lie under whom we know to be the father of lies.

But that brings up other considerations, because we are not the judge of what is sin, God is. For this very reason, David (even before salvation had come to Israel ate of the show bread from the temple, the apostles picked and ate grain on the Sabbath, and Paul said, "Nothing is unlawful for me."

Thus, the topic actually has two issues:

1. The true definition of salvation.
2. The true definition of sin.

Both have been grossly violated and in error.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This is your Straw Man. And I'm not playing your games. So, you can continue to post logical fallacies. You can let it go. You can go back and give real responses. Well, maybe not. It's up to you.

Much love!

Hence why I no longer respond to him.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You realize . . . still no response . . .

Living stones . . . being build into a living temple . . . Jesus builds His church. And you would have us think He is building and tearing apart, building and tearing apart.

:

Much love!

Good grief, man! Don't you know not everybody in the kingdom of God is for real?????

The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:41-42
​

A lot of junk 'believers' are in the kingdom right now. They were put there by builders and planters and waterers that didn't do the task carefully. All the results of their work are going into the fire. Because what they did in the field and building of God won't make it through the judgement by fire at the end of the age.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Hence why I no longer respond to him.

You don't because I can't think of a time, in the few times I've talked to you, that I did not correct you in some way. You don't handle that very well, I noticed.

You know, if you'd just start making the distinction between your old Osas beliefs and the new Osas it would extinguish a lot of the arguing you're doing with some here. You do know the difference, right?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You tripped over yourself again and called the faith "Christianity". If one is a Christian, then they have "salvation", or as ths bible likes to put it, "the faith".

Nope.

All the apostles wrote to many churches. But we know from what they wrote. Not everyone in them were christian. Do you consider everyone who goes to your church true believers? If so. Your the only church I know of who does/

 

[TheslightestID]

being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;

He'll complete it if we let him, if we fall away, then we arent letting him....simple.

Partial truths are of the devil.

 

[marks]

Pleas stop it you big baby, lol!

If you knew anything about me you'd know I'm the one that says the passage is unclear as to whether the person being put out of the church is saved or not. But since Osas uses it as proof that a saved person remains saved I show them the fallacy of THEIR argument.

Ad hominem and word games.

I know what you wrote about the passage. You really are not fooling me.

Much love!

 

[TheslightestID]

Nope.

All the apostles wrote to many churches. But we know from what they wrote. Not everyone in them were christian. Do you consider everyone who goes to your church true believers? If so. Your the only church I know of who does/

Yep.

A Christian is Christian...you tripped up and mistakenly agree you haven't a leg to stand on.

Any more excuses?

 

[TheslightestID]

Ad hominem and word games.

When all they have to claim is straw man, hominem, and and such, one can be sure they simply have no defense to present, just the usual excuses.